From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD745138A00 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 19:06:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B75821C07B; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 19:06:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-f49.google.com (mail-wg0-f49.google.com [74.125.82.49]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7158D21C028 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 19:06:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f49.google.com with SMTP id 15so1226050wgd.4 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:06:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OPeLh/O578FcYld7Cfm6BK89n3NMdHwQGfRl+ow9rYg=; b=aWmPzrt6CtaEP/9ga6ZfOFddK+C3MflLNDuOCAem4ElrBgp4CXcUH+APoqYBRc89fB AO4D6kPPadUdCXZaGdxVfWiFKudaHBapDLFxajsMOy8CP2PgYbP68W6EHpB3fH9d2AFt Uf8c3wPbhDFWbbbrH/vKskRNy48DzTP6crVZ6oPsPjRepZ09DqOyjo0bXmlq+RdmLc66 w+CpI9809hc99itXu+bEX+cUEdNLS/WH6PXvTphxLMuQfwSxVmgt9HNPWxIR6dJ361jV CE7+pe55cvtlPUiuf3BCa8PiFIghVLRk/RzdptTg4+oD0RBIPCiqbUUSSAxsv2vbA3Fw tw+g== X-Received: by 10.180.74.131 with SMTP id t3mr653000wiv.23.1360782389910; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:06:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.20.0.41] (196-215-209-80.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.215.209.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ec3sm44288497wib.1.2013.02.13.11.06.27 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:06:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <511BE3E6.20101@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:05:10 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130114 Thunderbird/17.0.2 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] systemd-197-r1 starts gdm-3.6.2 [now gnome3] References: <5109521C.3030207@xunil.at> <20130130173615.GA10408@BIFROST.zedat.fu-berlin.de> <51095D00.2040100@xunil.at> <511B072B.5030106@gmail.com> <511B6D6A.2020409@gmail.com> <83784AD7-77A0-472A-B594-17B8FB525DED@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> <511B85CC.1070004@gmail.com> <358701.63746.bm@smtp181.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <358701.63746.bm@smtp181.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 5db3a5ce-3c57-4c60-a613-0bbbbe86c4f6 X-Archives-Hash: 1e3efc09a8402ca95a3015d94c73f6ef On 13/02/2013 19:56, Kevin Chadwick wrote: >> I'd still really like someone who groks what Gnome3 is all about to fill >> in these blanks in my understanding with truthiness ;-) > > Apparently the main drive is to have a brand, so a constant and so > simple look is recognised as a Gnome/? machine. A bit pointless if > no-one uses it or changes to something better (negative brand). Oh yes, I'd forgotten about that little jewel, the bit where a senior Gnome dev is on record as saying that themes the user can control are bad. And this person wants to remove (or at least tone down) themes so Gnome can control Gnome's brand. > >>> The gnome3 devs may intend to restore the missing stuff at some point, but I >>> don't know, and meanwhile I'm frustrated and my attitude is deteriorating. > > Certainly not all unless they change the 'Brand' position. Who cares about a brand? Projects make software that works. Distros do branding. Or does Gnome want every Gnome-using distro to look the same? Do Gnome devs know how to spell "fork"? -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com