From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C50B41389F3 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:41:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1939121C055; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ea0-f170.google.com (mail-ea0-f170.google.com [209.85.215.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66FB5E0539 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:40:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ea0-f170.google.com with SMTP id a11so462033eaa.1 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 02:40:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RroTCXWvZelblQUPivYCnkV7RtBcqrbh4QIQEJAeFUw=; b=JYX3DvniMYdPr9Zkn8/csl6szIKJvXLBKqhrz/4gAgJIk1tYqCW+xrk64khMf75KP4 D0JWfKhEeduqnAAZsPTLzMjFkyoTDm3LZr6xUWqDABRrWPHp9U6gWQDkdvYhfd5GGJS4 mX8+3hv0ExPiUxEEvgW8vyWTkb1GBUqpKXEekN/igqJcWesmDOELNXT/PEfMd6euIoPt iUrRnv4qF2tGq7kl8pyeJJJKupb1qWZ03E5bLcfiKIPih/aCGPmN5ZmSLDhtq1L0XRm9 utkk5qecSv5xL+JNh9mfICc3yFWMRpvNlfUw/LvKesqkhVc+cYxsp5df94XHt/7/SpP1 krug== X-Received: by 10.14.214.66 with SMTP id b42mr3178762eep.34.1360752055962; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 02:40:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.20.0.40] (196-215-209-80.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.215.209.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q42sm63101585eem.14.2013.02.13.02.40.53 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 13 Feb 2013 02:40:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <511B6D6A.2020409@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 12:39:38 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130114 Thunderbird/17.0.2 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd-197-r1 starts gdm-3.6.2 [now gnome3] References: <5109521C.3030207@xunil.at> <20130130173615.GA10408@BIFROST.zedat.fu-berlin.de> <51095D00.2040100@xunil.at> <511B072B.5030106@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: ffecd24e-5878-49a8-90cd-b8d132ab749e X-Archives-Hash: f3301665da5b506ebd84c9c4fd92c0d3 On 13/02/2013 06:13, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:23 PM, walt wrote: > [...] >> IOW, try gnome3 on a virtual machine first :) > > I think it would be easier if you tried a LiveCD: > > http://www.gnome.org/getting-gnome/ > > For what is worth, I find myself more productive and much more at ease > with GNOME 3 than with GNOME 2 (or any other desktop, for that > matter). Every desktop/laptop computer I put my hands on, the first > thing I try to do is to press the windows key to get the overview; > it's really disappointing when it doesn't work and I realize I'm not > using GNOME 3. > > I suggest to try the LiveCD; Walt seems to hate the shell and I love > it, but that's because is a matter of personal opinion. I hate KDE > (all four versions); that doesn't mean it's bad software, or that it > has the wrong design. It's just not for me. Purely out of morbid curiosity, I've just spent an hour playing with the Gnome 3 LiveCd in a VM. What I'm seeing is a KDE4 ripoff, done badly, plus a few MacOS-isms and some ideas from Unity: - Highly generic launcher on the left, just like Unity. - Click something, get big list of launchable apps in big "area" in middle of screen, just like Unity. - Go to settings, hey this looks *exactly* like KDE4 SystemSettings with the useful stuff removed. Even the icon is the same! - Contacts and IM settings integrated into the system just like KDE (but actually that might be more Telepathy than KDE) - Menu seems to magically morph into system taskbar, sort of like MacOS I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade, but I really do not see the point of Gnome3 at all. It has no identity of its own apart from the recognizable icon set, that covers some of the look. The feel is as I said very much copying KDE and some MacOS (just not enough MacOS to get sued by Apple). So what's the point of Gnome3? If people like the Unity-ish bits, they should run Unity. Same with the KDE and MacOS bits. I'm happy to be shown to be wrong and to be shown where Gnome3 has merit for being itself, where it can proudly stand on it's own. But I'm just not seeing it yet -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com