From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCB011389AE for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 00:01:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 387E621C059; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 00:01:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gg0-f173.google.com (mail-gg0-f173.google.com [209.85.161.173]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9392E21C008 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 00:01:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-gg0-f173.google.com with SMTP id b6so777552ggm.32 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:01:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=62f4YBBkUSBVoE/jVX++CURdg/wZtd8SNQz8pv6g+kc=; b=lq0T+n3Xx5aT/iN+FMnhGU7BDZf2rIYajBWHqbD5lio3EL/O8SGOwQjuzZRBpEY6wr EpMSECcWRtBzp3iczEfeMEtxmYKDsoSYZcTSF7spSWv+RjJLGlKvQctOWaI6g21bWZXH 1Uy9EWQn33xZKn6zCO9KOCRmFmv0oyhv7sm+TxLYr4MMkl3I5m/EEytFEwJTPelDHFEM 3k/C/CVwdqL9m+N7bvU8kLFkvGhIOuD7W5e7KfPTm7tCoLPwy9j0zbW8nlZjExyRftvL 5cd/ZDcWCBgbCNGAYhwscPbeUIkohrEPcqvJ+7M2U3D/yBqXigPa9V7w9clGxKKmo3sK +W+w== X-Received: by 10.236.127.179 with SMTP id d39mr20362886yhi.20.1360627262564; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:01:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-74-240-57-140.jan.bellsouth.net. [74.240.57.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h44sm70672267yhn.2.2013.02.11.16.01.01 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:01:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5119863C.2060708@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:01:00 -0600 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:18.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/18.0 SeaMonkey/2.15.2 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to stem the flood of new packages? References: <51196FB2.6090706@gmail.com> <51197F94.20005@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: c4fd72b3-db19-4e11-8ef7-4d8f3c71cc00 X-Archives-Hash: e326c3edb1fa78a45a7371ed95a82aa6 Paul Hartman wrote: > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Dale wrote: >> Grant Edwards wrote: >>> On 2013-02-11, Dale wrote: >>>> Grant Edwards wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I tried doing an "emerge -auvND world" today. It's been three days >>>>> since the previous update, and today portage wants to update 1 package >>>>> and install _35_new_ones_. >>>>> >>>>> Seriously? 35 new packages that I have to install on Monday that I >>>>> didn't have to have the previous Friday? A few of them are virtual >>>>> packages, but the vast majority are actual package that I neither want >>>>> nor need (other than to satisfy a requirement imposed by a new USE >>>>> flag that defaults to "on" when it should have defaulted to "off"). >>>>> >>>>> I realize that every developer thinks think their pariticular package >>>>> is the greatest thing ever and should be installed on everything since >>>>> the TI SR-54 calculator, but this seems a bit silly... >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Well, use the -t option to see what pulls in what. >>> I did. I turned off about a half-dozen new USE flags and elminated 30 >>> of the new packages. My point was that in general when new stuff is >>> added, the default behavior should be "same as before" (IMO). >>> >>>> Also, disable some USE flags that you don't want/need. Also, could >>>> some of this be the profile change? >>> Ah, that could be. When the old profile went away I picked the >>> generic "desktop" option. Eselect didn't seem to be able to tell me >>> what profile I had selected previously. >>> >> >> Well, like with everything else, I think they are working on making >> eselect tell you what you had or "suggest" the replacement for you. >> Naturally, this is a few days late. I think Alan pointed out this has >> been happening a good bit here lately. Does someone need a switch to >> dust some britches with or what? Someone is being naughty. lol > I see Gentoo as the daily crossword puzzle of distros. People who use > it every day need to be challenged, forced to read up on current > events, and have to solve puzzles in order to progress. Other people > need super-stable things like RHEL with 10-year support... they're > like the dusty set of encyclopedias sitting on the shelf. Expensive > and reliable, if a bit outdated near the end of their life-cycle. :) > > True but . . . they change something then a few days later, issue a news item or do something to provide other info on how to deal with the change. It should be the reverse. Inform first THEN change things. Here lately, they have been a bit late. This makes me think, if a Government suddenly decided for people to switch which side of the road they are supposed to drive on. They don't announce it widely or change any signs along the way BUT enough people know about it to cause a HUGE number of head on collisions. Some of the changes here lately have been big, affected a lot of systems and caused some havoc to boot. Change can be a good thing but just like changing the side of the road people are driving on, we need to have advance notice. Just saying. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!