From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B4D138903 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 07:24:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6B1F1E0527; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 07:24:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0315DE045E for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 07:24:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id 8so2637879wgl.18 for ; Thu, 07 Feb 2013 23:24:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aEF8CAv42352ViADGkWZyFzcn6vtBdB3QAZloZrENp8=; b=rLok+t2pBS4hxZ91Or72gWlsB8vyvRbKja/jQ4z2uNWQ0Stbya/F0BGfNNEPIlAweS +OYRxQ6rNe6vTD6X6uI74+7dBldiiJhY+stOavD1KcAItD3jdUUJWcQ6IwvNNEMqp77D atDVtOxn3FOwhlpWhZH87zZcFQQ214tknaQigZhjNPiksUc7OYQh3mqgBYpf5DnUyC37 8htbESQmS0c/nJ8B/bmxwroOf4q7Wv7jZJkzdsuojttTpWzSgeH6swXU+9X/3dcEIUUA sTgVg1mGUPXRiuSuKRlLmWIeYSP9Xve29iYR8uOmZj5mKQQ2acW/xfqgX5Gja2rlcQD3 rU8Q== X-Received: by 10.180.87.98 with SMTP id w2mr454991wiz.30.1360308255657; Thu, 07 Feb 2013 23:24:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.1.21.16] (dustpuppy.is.co.za. [196.14.169.11]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t7sm5818249wiy.2.2013.02.07.23.24.13 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Feb 2013 23:24:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5114A7DE.7020305@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 09:23:10 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130114 Thunderbird/17.0.2 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Creating accounts in Thunderbird References: <510E4F56.1080703@gmail.com> <51143C0D.7000500@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <51143C0D.7000500@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 28567dad-8a58-458c-bdd2-e7ee77f66af1 X-Archives-Hash: 9d6bbf52281cd5ae86d364efedc6d29c On 08/02/2013 01:43, walt wrote: > On 02/03/2013 03:51 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> How do I get Thunderbird to act like software and not assume it knows >> better than I do? > > Same way you get your wife to do what you want :) Oh no, not that, that's unpossible :-) > > The confusing part about thunderbird account creation is that there's > more than one way to create a new account, and they are not equivalent, > not by a country kilometer (yes, I consider that bug, or maybe a very > stupid feature). > > F'rinstance, how do you create a new nntp account? IIRC you can't if > you're using tbird for the first time. I think the only way to do it > is *after* you've already set up a working email account, then click > on Edit::Account Settings and look all the way to the bottom of the > list box on the left to the button marked "Account Actions". > > I'm no longer using the gentoo ebuild for thunderbird; instead I'm using > the beta-test builds from ftp.mozilla.org. (Hm, now that I stop to think > about why I do that, I realize that it's a really dumb thing to do because > I gave up filing thunderbird bug reports about two years ago because none > of my bugs ever got fixed.) > > So, I dunno if I've helped you but you've convinced me to go back to using > thunderbird-stable. I thinkt he Thunderbird devs (the ones working on the wizard and account creation) got into a frame of mind of "my work flow about new accounts works just fine, so let's make it universal". I see this stupidity in corproate software all the time, I never thought it would appear in widespread FLOSS though. Once you get past that barrier, it's actually a fine mail client. IMAP works fast and fine, it doesn't have Exchange plugins that continually crash the system (hello Evolution) and the indexer is a good feature that works for me. Now that's I've thought about it lots, I'm actually prepared to 100% forgive Thunderbird for it's wizard just because of this one fact: It has no akonadi and that concept does not exist in Thunderbird. :-) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com