From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E3E138385 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 03:24:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4DD2D21C018; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 03:23:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gg0-f178.google.com (mail-gg0-f178.google.com [209.85.161.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD48B21C018 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 03:22:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-gg0-f178.google.com with SMTP id u1so251473ggl.9 for ; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 19:22:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=j6jNBTCfy8Fvs5ApE8Y1us+AYqpHR4YuvbrHTatIhtQ=; b=kPawv2lHGfPwZPhJPZ/NNLYzNG7U/YtgyoMoR6iqHjK/+zb7/vPZ6eF5hpNyXdASaz YdG5ECT7JZGIh1ngaY1h9HRCrsn29UEcw1vfkYr3B/qThrD7Rnye/NLpYDn+A46xY4sg yG9SIEFeF27BCyniB5oX7bR3lZTcLScaSUabm4hcOtVNWyqvsHEdzzwA2hEUEL7R7kpV KyvX8DWv0ABlEIR8Z3U4guUydfUBT2q3RBhfGSzVxshRZjOu2uyERlwj1PjCO486jucT VMuVLpKvbMjx7rQcdj3/yd5qMRPnXwQ2a9lY2/HTXefcQacD3Q6sSHCqcrdher6A4spf Qfaw== X-Received: by 10.236.113.2 with SMTP id z2mr9099336yhg.15.1357701747930; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 19:22:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-65-0-94-18.jan.bellsouth.net. [65.0.94.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y9sm65316061anh.20.2013.01.08.19.22.26 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 08 Jan 2013 19:22:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50ECE271.5080301@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 21:22:25 -0600 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/17.0 SeaMonkey/2.14.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: 4 machines - no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd anymore References: <201301061119.56710.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <50EA2364.4080604@gmail.com> <20130108012533.04004d12@khamul.example.com> <20130108112157.3cb99168@khamul.example.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 83130dfd-2d83-4ec6-8f9a-0af35226bece X-Archives-Hash: e30fcb09e5109bff9e629709e0d090dc Mark Knecht wrote: > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> Life is full of silly and not-so-silly conventions and /dev/dvd is one >> of them. It has no good reason to be there, and equally no good reason >> to not be there, but you already fixed your stuff to make it do what >> you want. > >> -- >> Alan McKinnon > Alan, > Maybe in the future you'll consider this story: For your > entertainment, please imagine an 82 year old woman who, unknown to > anyone, has somehow gone beyond simple web browsing and email and > managed to teach herself to watch a DVD on her Gentoo laptop. Possibly > she is hard of hearing? This works well for her as she can use > headphones and listen at levels that work for her any time of day or > night. Once you get your head around that picture, please imagine this > user being frustrated for _months_ when her 'no good reason to be > there DVD' goes away. This user feels, for no good technical reason, > that she has somehow hurt her computer and worse worries about the > costs of fixing it. She remains silent, doesn't ask for help and loses > access to something that she enjoys all because someone in the dev > community decides to 'make a change'. > > Not every user (of Gentoo or any other distro) lives in the > rarefied world of a Linux Sys Admin, much less the far more lowly and > infinitely more mundane world I inhabit. My experience is that people > almost always need a little help and almost never ask. > > Over and out, > Mark > > I have a better question. Why is a 82 year old woman using Gentoo? If she installed Gentoo, updated Gentoo then she must be able to do something with Gentoo, right? Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!