From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61BB5138323 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 02:30:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A40D921C08B; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 02:30:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gg0-f172.google.com (mail-gg0-f172.google.com [209.85.161.172]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1950021C081 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 02:29:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-gg0-f172.google.com with SMTP id r1so2925219ggn.17 for ; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 18:29:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ylzgZ6XBhGdfv2hLAIQyleqAd9VzBOxZWbI7vPuuNGw=; b=dQu7IR4qkaycJEbh9uhGsOAEuuoWxQGEkbVsVP2/hO0V0BdGGyXXIL2MIpagU7/zoz cwqXByl5KKCosoml1N/QtDHI8EqjFsRSY+Bs3tDSFMmHV1UPdI01RJFhr81u/EimCu9G d8uyeMRBWw2/NrkJ/vSXndRZc1AFSw1uC5na1L3jNYmRD2DAhgKfg5JkDWNlTMTAuAt7 4SsZ143Zk99CdJFZh0kO1P1bMgc5SodXYUMxVXwB4ivBwuTTSimUDoE3oU8W88sqHO0V EcMNeetqo8HgoX3Z/S1oMw7YyFr/2WB0xBYAu9KUhsruR6ZSdMQui3qY9SQ0Tn24dSpl jToQ== X-Received: by 10.236.162.69 with SMTP id x45mr65832863yhk.111.1357525745188; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 18:29:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-65-0-94-18.jan.bellsouth.net. [65.0.94.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s1sm57833688anj.1.2013.01.06.18.29.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 Jan 2013 18:29:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50EA32EE.6020801@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 20:29:02 -0600 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/17.0 SeaMonkey/2.14.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: 4 machines - no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd anymore References: <201301061119.56710.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <50EA2364.4080604@gmail.com> <50EA2A8D.3040203@iinet.net.au> <50EA2E15.4020006@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <50EA2E15.4020006@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 7a47b30b-7f1d-4b15-be2c-8ec7967e05ac X-Archives-Hash: 1a95d478e13f82499cceed993543bdd6 Dale wrote: > William Kenworthy wrote: >> On 07/01/13 09:44, Mark Knecht wrote: >>> On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Dale wrote: >>> >>>> I'm not sure that is a bug. As I posted earlier, this was changed a >>>> good while back. There was a reason for it but I can't recall what it >>>> was. The new devices for CD/DVDs is /dev/sr*. I don't have, and have >>>> not had, /dev/cdrom or dvd on this rig for a good while and it works. I >>>> think this happened about the same time as the hard drive devices were >>>> changed from hd* to sd* even for old IDE drives. Since it was changed >>>> on purpose, I don't believe this is a bug. >>>> >>>> Dale >>> Might be true but how about digging up some references that this was >>> done on purpose. It makes little sense to me that if someone did this >>> on purpose, breaking lots of old scripts, leaving broken udev rules >>> laying about and just assuming everyone would figure it out without so >>> much and a news item then I'd say it was done pretty badly. >>> >>> Again, if it truly was 'on purpose' as you say then that's OK, but >>> let's not create too much false history here. In my mind it's just as >>> reasonable that it's just a mistake or someone that was overlooked, >>> but I'm totally open to you showing us what we all missed. >>> >> Seems like the cabal has been busy again ... its not a bug but a feature! >> >> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/hotplug/udev.git;a=commit;h=19b66dc57cce27175ff421c4c3a37e4a491b9c01 >> >> Also some hits on gentoo forums etc which imply that when actually >> merged, the rules file was not included.. >> >> This did happen awhile back and I just moved to /dev/sr0 and got on with >> life so didnt go into it in too much detail. >> >> BillK >> > This is not Gentoo specific but I found this in a search that is just > getting started: > > http://rlworkman.net/howtos/libata-switchover > > So, it did happen when switching from old IDE based drivers to the > newer, some claim improved, PATA/SATA drivers. It appears the kernel > started this but still searching for confirmation. > > Like Bill, when it was changed, I just updated the device information in > my programs and went on. It was the new way and it seemed it was going > to be around for a good long while. It looks like people who have > created scripts are going to have to fire up vi or nano and do a little > updating. > > Going to search some more to get a better source. > > Dale > > :-) :-) > This links goes to a specific post in the thread. Don't scroll or you will have to dig. The one to look far if it messes up is the post by NeddySeagoon. http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-6362608.html#6362608 More info: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/kernel-config.xml#doc_chap3 According to one page I found, this happened several years ago so no idea how anyone missed it this long. It was discussed on this very list but my archives don't go back that far. I figure if I don't run into a problem in a year or so, I missed it which is a odd thing of itself since I usually find every problem there is. ;-) Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!