From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A61081381FB for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 20:43:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 035E821C002; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 20:43:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gh0-f176.google.com (mail-gh0-f176.google.com [209.85.160.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EA1221C00E for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 20:42:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-gh0-f176.google.com with SMTP id g10so860946ghb.21 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 12:42:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=JRuoxWSnRR6HGpt9z+MI6pkckPst8C16EjZLh1OBdBU=; b=dDPi5jmNA8sKu2NPYcO/yr11hiC3+QrFvSqUvXrwnyVKwjua2XSrJ7bZgDmreNicVr MCEfbYMBHHV89sk4/LxEZ5Uv+GZJSBIviZb16qQl4KlOMp8JBBu3WHOjm1LW4W42tRb4 s9iA4QTXQQZqtsI+oa0qiLBRHHrjMiJuZt4CevV9cf4k7KaDf4iSm1X9XFtXGcrm/9+1 5udddXr/sD2iozcF7GhKqQ4bAoSd9lHVYA811CRQlfaKX1kG4H7L6pGrdUbAQr6BdgER whHoaX/4Jq5k0PbbbL9mKRA+qdZsLjMa2twQtF2xInAc5jHLNfvO2zdA5d0MHHlRHc2Y /jRQ== X-Received: by 10.236.124.109 with SMTP id w73mr26314607yhh.5.1356554545237; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 12:42:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-65-0-94-18.jan.bellsouth.net. [65.0.94.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v8sm25362357yhi.15.2012.12.26.12.42.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 26 Dec 2012 12:42:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50DB612F.1030603@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 14:42:23 -0600 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/17.0 SeaMonkey/2.14.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? References: <87txrd6pb3.fsf@ist.utl.pt> <20121223182037.1553813f@khamul.example.com> <87bodk7lb6.fsf@ist.utl.pt> <20121224085528.56f535ec@khamul.example.com> <50D85167.9060309@gmail.com> <20121224204817.335033c6@khamul.example.com> <50D8B467.4080100@gmail.com> <20121224230413.GL26547@server> <20121224182907.2bf6d3d6@fuchsia.remarqs.net> <20121225020301.GP26547@server> <50D911A6.6070500@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 64abf713-584a-4c01-a41d-aeec9453a5dc X-Archives-Hash: 69c68de7f8cd4d603b045ff7135e1689 Mark David Dumlao wrote: > On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Dale wrote: >> Feel free to set me straight tho. As long as you don't tell me my >> system is broken and has not been able to boot for the last 9 years >> without one of those things. ROFL > Nobody's telling you _your_ system, as in the collection of programs > you use for your productivity, is broken. What we're saying is that > _the_ system, as in the general practice as compared to the > specification, is broken. Those are two _very_ different things. > -- > This email is: [ ] actionable [ ] fyi [x] social > Response needed: [ ] yes [x] up to you [ ] no > Time-sensitive: [ ] immediate [ ] soon [x] none > > >From what I have read, they are saying what has worked for decades has been broken the whole time. Doesn't matter that it works for millions of users, its broken. They say it is broken so they can "fix it" with a init thingy for EVERYONE. Sorry, that's like telling me my car has been broken for the last ten years when I have been driving it to town and it runs just fine. The udev/systemd people sound like politicians. We want to change something so something must be broke, let's fix it. They get together, make some new rules and it actually ends up being worse then what it originally was. Do they back up and try to come up with something else, no, they try to fix it some more which leads to more problems. This continues until it falls in on itself OR someone with some sense realizes we need to go back to where it was and make it work like it has for so many years. The eudev folks are planning to continue with what has worked, that's my reading on it anyway. YMMV Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!