From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5921381FB for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 07:39:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2F47A21C010; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 07:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-f178.google.com (mail-vc0-f178.google.com [209.85.220.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7333221C010 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 07:38:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f178.google.com with SMTP id x16so8031587vcq.9 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 23:38:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=CTWDmPA0h8qrDMaI7QeQZ/URv5zdaYAafdo+EP7G9a4=; b=n2hpgC3ZtmCNLdrax313fDWBuNk7fg+Nj5kAfuppKoeVI9CRVeXDFAz83jsYLAOjzP lG5ohyovE7p6bJF806AyHuJNS7D4+uePEJew+1f2asXZtdeIC0Xwf2eH2c4IKMc1GACG IJutfdP5d4qJBCx3s8ZwR/uu7orPFACtm/TlZf2ZjRBr5IqHembVjkgSOCP9K1yOW87X dmi6SyHifMHqx3E9B2P9dFLyKKWBEs/y/h2IyixCYKLz16E2H4sHlBjLvQQEjZ/97vcO qI51k4nXiX/Hrws8443hIWh3vwgNbmlfaNkIZG7Q6gU3Z7ysBttPIdGIqj2WeKfaRqDm NA9g== X-Received: by 10.52.172.195 with SMTP id be3mr32517866vdc.54.1356421106588; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 23:38:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.11.12.100] ([50.124.137.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ey7sm19155172ved.0.2012.12.24.23.38.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 24 Dec 2012 23:38:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50D957F0.1060406@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 02:38:24 -0500 From: "G.Wolfe Woodbury" Organization: Redwolfe Computer Homestead User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? -> what was wron with SysVInit? References: <50CB1942.3020900@gmail.com> <50CB4A3C.1030109@gmail.com> <50CB5406.7040404@gmail.com> <8738z7hgsa.fsf@ist.utl.pt> <20121216171043.71084070@khamul.example.com> <20121217104621.735bf43a@khamul.example.com> <20121218163332.7956f31a@khamul.example.com> <87txrd6pb3.fsf@ist.utl.pt> <20121223182037.1553813f@khamul.example.com> <87bodk7lb6.fsf@ist.utl.pt> <20121224085528.56f535ec@khamul.example.com> <50D85167.9060309@gmail.com> <20121224204817.335033c6@khamul.example.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: e4b062fa-257e-4d41-9b4a-7950627060de X-Archives-Hash: ca78939acd6e38ad2ec66c6a9b7daadf On 12/24/2012 10:56 PM, Pandu Poluan wrote: > > Even back when hard disks are a mote in the eyes of today's mammoths, > you *can* make /usr part of /, there's no stopping you. Sure, other > SysAdmins may scoff and/or question your sanity, but the choice is > yours. YOU know what's best for your precious servers, YOU made the call. > > But with the latest udev, Lennart et al saw it fit to yank that choice > out of the hands of SysAdmins, while at the same time trying to enforce > a stupidly overbloated init replacement. I may be really out of the loop or old-fashioned, but what went wrong with the old SysV init scheme? SysV inhereited the init scheme practically in toto from what was created for the intermediate SysIV version that was intermal to Bell Labs. SysIV got used for a few projects, and it was a major improvement over the SysIII scheme. Those developing the SysIV/SysV init scheme tried to anticipate future extensions (especially dependency problems) even to the point of ashing Murry Hill to make chenges to the shell to make some "magic" easier. [Specifically the use of shell exec for input/output file descriptor changes.] [Disclaimer: I was working a Holmdel with a SystemIV based project as a contractor and was involved in some of this work.] >From what has been happening with the systemd stuff, I do not see what advantages it really offers over the SysV scheme and its successors like OpenRC. Someone enlighten me please? -- G.Wolfe Woodbury redwolfe@gmail.com