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[65.0.94.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e39sm2450113ani.16.2012.12.24.18.33.35 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 24 Dec 2012 18:33:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50D9107E.8070406@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 20:33:34 -0600 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/17.0 SeaMonkey/2.14.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? References: <50CB1942.3020900@gmail.com> <50CB4A3C.1030109@gmail.com> <50CB5406.7040404@gmail.com> <8738z7hgsa.fsf@ist.utl.pt> <20121216171043.71084070@khamul.example.com> <20121217104621.735bf43a@khamul.example.com> <20121218163332.7956f31a@khamul.example.com> <87txrd6pb3.fsf@ist.utl.pt> <20121223182037.1553813f@khamul.example.com> <87bodk7lb6.fsf@ist.utl.pt> <20121224085528.56f535ec@khamul.example.com> <50D85167.9060309@gmail.com> <20121224204817.335033c6@khamul.example.com> <50D8B467.4080100@gmail.com> <50D8D8D6.8090701@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: a1e9088e-1d64-4514-be94-e08b8339f397 X-Archives-Hash: 1666bd3bbcd7bb401312db823a7116dd Mark Knecht wrote: > Fair enough. I don't agree that leaving Gentoo because you chose to > put all of /usr on LVM and then chose not to deal with the > implications of that over time, but it's your choice and I certainly > support choice. And I appreciate you communicating your POV. I'm also > interested in Bruce's history about initrd. Sounds like if that worked > today I'd just use it to make an initrd and be done with it. Unlike > you, I guess, I don't have any political position on these images that > get used early on, any more than I do or do not like the format of > grub.conf or other things like that. Cheers, Mark Putting /usr on LVM is not the problem. I have had /usr on LVM for a good long while now. It has booted just fine. The new udev is what is going to break it, whether I use LVM or not from what has been said on this list and elsewhere. My point is, I came here to get rid of the init nightmare. I have my system set up specifically to avoid the init thingy. If I am going to have a init thingy that I can't fix without spending hours doing it, I may as well move to something easier. In the past, the only way I could get a init thingy fixed was to reinstall. If anyone here thinks I am going to do that with Gentoo, they are completely out of their mind and plumb bat guano crazy. I'll be installing Linux but it won't be a all day event. With all the distros out there, I bet I can find something that installs pretty fast and maybe even not have a init thingy to boot. One never knows. ;-) When I moved to Gentoo, I felt like I moved up. Simple setup, works simply and works every time. Now, I feel like I am taking a step backwards, not forward. I have already seen the past, I don't want to repeat it. That's my opinion. I'm not saying everyone should share it or believe it either. I believe it tho. I love Gentoo but not enough to have to start over or spend hours trying to figure out something that I shouldn't have to have to begin with. Progress is fine but not when it breaks what is working. People thought hal was progress. Look where it ended up. I think, and for some I hope, udev loses support by everyone but the ones maintaining it. Let it go its way and others progress forward with better ideas and not by shoving it on people either. Just my $0.02 and considering I'm on NyQuil, it ain't much. lol Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!