From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4BCE1381F3 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 22:37:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B04D821C02D; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 22:37:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gg0-f176.google.com (mail-gg0-f176.google.com [209.85.161.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BEF8F21C00F for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 22:36:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-gg0-f176.google.com with SMTP id h3so1273960gge.35 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 14:36:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=vgXTtaQ/AetjBp7tBHzv50dBRg3r1FjYA2Omtz/hXZc=; b=vi0EtybtvcUBe3gusB66zP98WvjON+9c6dcB8erXCK8Hsh0Pp/DlSbWtmyYMGmSfhi VRwvHTudWqecXvns9wNe261+5E0jkv/9lMQwrG4+vhNsyMHppArEcYkZdAe1GndSYI5n DyXz20OaqVNs8VpbKuYTTppqRMKxcHCskoB5dB7sTBZ7XqD9J1TSIoZev4lC5Ikudi0B mhAeZei7KakQFNPlquyS3tI1VtIK71oVIsJrLzWd9buGzDDMEGZt8jMLXdClU3FSm4/i pSkSDAGFZ6I2ECfDDp/35v/TIWcHijmEXzopnjinnzjJehU6OpdaQecAR/53MV9Sg6kE yepw== X-Received: by 10.236.147.174 with SMTP id t34mr21799619yhj.70.1356388568858; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 14:36:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-65-0-94-18.jan.bellsouth.net. [65.0.94.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w2sm20196186yhk.8.2012.12.24.14.36.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 24 Dec 2012 14:36:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50D8D8D6.8090701@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 16:36:06 -0600 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/17.0 SeaMonkey/2.14.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? References: <50CB1942.3020900@gmail.com> <50CB4A3C.1030109@gmail.com> <50CB5406.7040404@gmail.com> <8738z7hgsa.fsf@ist.utl.pt> <20121216171043.71084070@khamul.example.com> <20121217104621.735bf43a@khamul.example.com> <20121218163332.7956f31a@khamul.example.com> <87txrd6pb3.fsf@ist.utl.pt> <20121223182037.1553813f@khamul.example.com> <87bodk7lb6.fsf@ist.utl.pt> <20121224085528.56f535ec@khamul.example.com> <50D85167.9060309@gmail.com> <20121224204817.335033c6@khamul.example.com> <50D8B467.4080100@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: e6908ac1-5b54-44bd-b433-452a9fb090f5 X-Archives-Hash: ee10c1f6939e21afcaa4fe2db6432eb1 Mark Knecht wrote: > On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Dale wrote: > >> The problems with that is these: It worked ALL these years, why should >> it not now? I have / on a traditional partition which is not going to >> resize easily. If I put / on LVM, I need a init thingy. I don't want a >> init thingy > Is that really true? Do you _really_ care whether an 'init thingy' exists > on your system, or is this energy about it really based in something else? > > I'm just not understanding the resistance so I'm curious. > > I don't like, really don't like, the work that currently goes into making > my 'init thingy' work. All the Gentoo docs about creating hierarchies by > hand and populating them with files and then compressing it. All that > drives me nuts. It should be 100% automatic, and probably is with the > right tools which I haven't found. > > But I'm not understanding why you are so against it in totality. It would > be one thing to say that it's too much work. That I understand, but not > wanting one seems a bit overboard to me... > > - Mark > > One of the reasons I left Mandriva was because of the init thingy. If I wanted one and liked having one, I would have never switched to Gentoo. The init thingy was not the only reason but it was one of them. The reason I do not want one is because it adds one more point of failure. In my past experience, it failed me a lot on Mandriva. I don't want to go backwards to failure. I want to keep moving forward, which is why I chose Gentoo, no init thingy needed unless you put / on something like LVM or encrypt it or something. That is why I put everything but /boot and / on LVM here, to avoid having to use a init thingy. I have done a lot to avoid that thing then it turns out, someone is trying to push it on me anyway. If I am forced to use a init thingy, the first time it fails and I can't fix it, I'm moving to something else. If I want a broken init thingy, I can find something else that suites my needs. I've said it before, I love Gentoo but I'm not going to reinstall or otherwise spend hours trying to fix something that I shouldn't need to to begin with and never needed before. Just saying. ;-) Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!