From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68ABB1381F3 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:55:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B52A2E0534; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:54:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ye0-f181.google.com (mail-ye0-f181.google.com [209.85.213.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A0DAE05FA for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:53:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ye0-f181.google.com with SMTP id r11so1103608yen.40 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 01:53:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type; bh=YaMjzFEAiwfy8kH+aB5r7ZZVLNEUqvBR2AjiSY72SM4=; b=RYY1r/uj7SsG/OrZsvBIEEzAe2O53Cr2WyL6BelnjjiZsAH8hB0l1/NUs8WDK1X4tp nFZKV6pdAsa0HwkfFkOw3PuJOuzxfPIM3RO9VDhD+Bl3w1Y6L5BLsa1nlW8bzmrCXkq9 4LxIN90dnmRT+rmEMpC7ox2NXMuzR6+AtUWlux8CMOxEr9uDdsmWJcjXnvObJCtb7NUr sHR7IeWRiEBy2xlFPOcfWn0Rtzxta6kl0O4efOn6fokqoWrSKy3/hViLHneDmjlXJwib eVDj3a3eOoyATSITjSfSj4kICg8GVAEYX9qya8/YSO4szMyPCGDTYn2jjM6ohr5eqYfI HLmg== Received: by 10.236.129.12 with SMTP id g12mr18565268yhi.77.1352714017367; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 01:53:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-98-95-107-27.jan.bellsouth.net. [98.95.107.27]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z1sm5537365anj.2.2012.11.12.01.53.35 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 12 Nov 2012 01:53:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50A0C71E.9070202@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 03:53:34 -0600 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121106 Firefox/16.0 SeaMonkey/2.13.2 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :) References: <5547419.JtVDJ1Bk26@energy> <20121111132241.GU17663@server> <1524141.GPK41Ktrl4@gentoo> <20121112013321.64a4e1e0@khamul.example.com> <20121112010637.GW17663@server> <20121112035752.3d999f75@khamul.example.com> <20121112052106.GA17663@server> <20121112093703.552345f8@digimed.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20121112093703.552345f8@digimed.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.5 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060607010703020005080608" X-Archives-Salt: f9d95a27-7c3d-41e3-b771-a75ad840032b X-Archives-Hash: 71e4abc735d799c889f1c5490f1b225e This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060607010703020005080608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 23:21:06 -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: > >> > If we also stick to helping someone with their problem, and refrain from >> > replying about how bad or useless we think an app or ideal might be to >> > us, we could avoid flame wars. > Unfortunately, there are times when it is necessary to point out how bad > an idea is in order to help someone. Recent example: the suggestion to > use dd to copy one drive to another with a different block size. While > this may have worked for the person suggesting it, it is a bad idea in > general and refraining from stating that could have resulted n problems > for someone following that advice. > > Surely stating the merits or otherwise of an idea is a core element of > discussion, and discussion is what this list is about. > > On the topic of swearing, some consider it "bad language", as you do, and > I respect that view. Others consider it a means of expression (others > seem to use it for punctuation, but no one is defending that). There are > times that some words can add emotion or emphasis to a statement, > especially when used rarely, but on a list like this there is generally > little or no need for it. However, not all users of this list are > native-English speakers and other cultures see use of such language > different - one only has to look at the comments made on the podium of > the Abu Dhabi F1 Grand Prix, made by professional drivers who are paid > not to offend. > > > -- Neil Bothwick And on the seventh day God said :wq and then make And there goes that sig again. How does that thing do what it does? lol I'm of the sort that when you get to the point of swearing, you have ran out of better ways to get the point across or just out of ideas all together. In the recent case, it was not only disrespectful, it was surely rude. This is something this list should not tolerate and I for one have no plans to do so. I fixed my issue but that still leaves the list to fix the rest. I just don't want to see this list be like -dev once was. Gentoo has come a long way on this to start going backwards. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... 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Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 23:21:06 -0600, Bruce Hill wrote:


> If we also stick to helping someone with their problem, and refrain from
> replying about how bad or useless we think an app or ideal might be to
> us, we could avoid flame wars.

Unfortunately, there are times when it is necessary to point out how bad
an idea is in order to help someone. Recent example: the suggestion to
use dd to copy one drive to another with a different block size. While
this may have worked for the person suggesting it, it is a bad idea in
general and refraining from stating that could have resulted n problems
for someone following that advice.

Surely stating the merits or otherwise of an idea is a core element of
discussion, and discussion is what this list is about.

On the topic of swearing, some consider it "bad language", as you do, and
I respect that view. Others consider it a means of expression (others
seem to use it for punctuation, but no one is defending that). There are
times that some words can add emotion or emphasis to a statement,
especially when used rarely, but on a list like this there is generally
little or no need for it. However, not all users of this list are
native-English speakers and other cultures see use of such language
different - one only has to look at the comments made on the podium of
the Abu Dhabi F1 Grand Prix, made by professional drivers who are paid
not to offend.



-- 
Neil Bothwick

And on the seventh day God said :wq and then make

And there goes that sig again.  How does that thing do what it does?  lol 

I'm of the sort that when you get to the point of swearing, you have ran out of better ways to get the point across or just out of ideas all together.  In the recent case, it was not only disrespectful, it was surely rude.  This is something this list should not tolerate and I for one have no plans to do so.  I fixed my issue but that still leaves the list to fix the rest.  I just don't want to see this list be like -dev once was.  Gentoo has come a long way on this to start going backwards. 

Dale

:-)  :-)  
-- 
I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
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