From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B1B1381F3 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 19:58:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 01CB221C02D; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 19:58:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.alltele.net (smtp.alltele.net [85.30.0.4]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E740E03E4 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 19:56:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([87.227.57.71]) by smtp.alltele.net (IceWarp 10.4.3) with ESMTP id UEO40745 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 20:56:45 +0100 Message-ID: <509EB17D.7050908@coolmail.se> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 20:56:45 +0100 From: pk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.10) Gecko/20121108 Thunderbird/10.0.10 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :) References: <509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.se> <509DB5E2.5010407@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <509DB5E2.5010407@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.57 required=5.10 tests=LOCALPART_IN_SUBJECT=1.56,SMILEY=-0.50,NO_RDNS2=0.01,MR_DIFF_MID=0.50 version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (1.1) on smtp.alltele.net X-CTCH: RefID="str=0001.0A0B020B.509EB17E.006B,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0"; Spam="Unknown"; VOD="Unknown" X-Archives-Salt: 61c018c5-ea9c-4337-a8a1-0bf11081ac06 X-Archives-Hash: 86a6f4dfafe05577e242b4d06d5b14cd On 2012-11-10 03:03, walt wrote: > :) systemd is coming whether you or I like it or not so I'm trying to > stay a bit ahead of the tsunami, that's all. Yes, systemd may be coming and may even become mandatory for the Linux kernel (given it's marriage with udev). when that comes, I'd rather go *BSD or even Windows for that matter. The current plan is going mdev, following Walter Dnes fine example, when I can find the time (perhaps during xmas). > The emotions started running high when Lennart pushed pulseaudio on us > awhile ago, and he's doing it again now with systemd. I didn't see the > purpose for pulse until I (finally) bought a new computer with audio > hardware I'd never seen before, and then I finally understood why he > invented this silly pulse nonsense. I don't use pulseaudio and never will. Alsa is working fine, using hardware mixer. I really don't understand why you would want to use a second layer on top of the hardware driver, I thought we gave that up years ago, abandoning the ESD and aRts. > I still don't quite understand the entire motivation behind systemd but > I'll bet it will become obvious to me in the future. I'm sure... > A speedy reboot is very nice for those of use who compile and test a new > kernel from Linus every morning and file kernel bug reports when > appropriate. If I do find a kernel bug I may need to recompile/reboot > many times as quickly as my machine can do it, so saving 15-20 seconds > per reboot cycle just feels less painful :) Ok. For me, when booting, the most time spent is in the bios cycle. Booting from grub takes maybe 5-10 seconds... > I didn't intend to preach, I intended to brag that I got it working :p Ok, I just read it as "preaching" but I guess you can see it that way too. I was just a bit tired I guess, sorry! Best regards Peter K