From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QeXxu-0000YZ-HF for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 19:40:54 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DE7021C0B7; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 19:38:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C7221C0B7 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 19:38:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwf26 with SMTP id 26so241039wwf.10 for ; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 12:38:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-type; bh=gJqBRnjjTTS0sG6gxIFUlHActciMXEDOsrgqYuHyoBg=; b=X2/JSFgxMxFCznaxY6e7khcj75z0h6S5pw9n3Iyg8wKgqwbA8PCeak3YQglxSLfUwn yzXXnPEbZw5Mm+PkgEXbp4dZyg1OcOQtxOZsST2nlIwtkcWeqOkKetimZtbuf/RJyL0r vRXhjShFvvO/Y88NEghKg6AKlM/4MXMmX3Dcc= Received: by 10.227.55.83 with SMTP id t19mr7923669wbg.19.1309981119882; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 12:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nazgul.localnet (196-215-19-196.dynamic.isadsl.co.za [196.215.19.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fy9sm1272350wbb.25.2011.07.06.12.38.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 06 Jul 2011 12:38:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it? Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 21:37:34 +0200 Message-ID: <5098158.chQrAVvWtm@nazgul> User-Agent: KMail/4.6.0 (Linux/2.6.39-ck; KDE/4.6.4; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <4E149A27.4060003@coolmail.se> References: <4E149A27.4060003@coolmail.se> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: bad8f9ad3c398e485c0240bdc2d82bed On Wednesday 06 July 2011 19:23:51 pk did opine thusly: > On 2011-07-06 18:35, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > And what is happening to the developers lately? Some of them > > have become hostile and arrogant against their own users. > > I noted the same from the same guy a while back. Really "grumpy" and > you can't argue with him either... But then again, there's nothing > stopping either of us from becoming developers and to be friendly > towards our fellow Gentooers... Well, except time that I don't have > to invest into doing that so I'm very grateful that people > (developers) have time to invest. So: Kudos to the developers > (grumpy or not)! > > "I'm late, I'm late! For a very important date!..." ;-) > > PS. Gentoo infrastructure also allows supporting your own ebuilds... Holy shit, that attitude from Samuli sucks big balls big time. He's always come across to me as an OK dev, never seen him pull THAT stunt before. Devs get a certain amount of leeway and tolerance from users because of what they do as volunteers. But there's a line somewhere and in my view arbitrarily deciding to obsolete a toolkit just because you feel like it crosses that like. Following that up with a "fuck off and stop re-opening the ticket" is even worse. You'll note I used the verb "obsolete" and not "deprecate", that is deliberate. He has not deprecated gtk+-2 in spite of naming it that, he is trying to obsolete it without going through the gradual dwindling away that deprecation is designed to encourage. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com