[gentoo-user] (double)click

[gentoo-user] (double)click

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

I face an annoying behavior on my main workstation and I can't spot it,
so maybe you guys have an idea.

My mouse behaves a bit strange, for example in thunderbird.

When I click a mail in the normal folder view, the expected behavior is
just to get the content displayed below. Instead it happens
*sometimes*/rather often, that it gets opened in a new tab, as if i had
clicked it twice.

Recompiled thunderbird, no change.

The click also somehow doesn't really work in opera, for example.

It marks things instead of clicking a link ... somehow strange.

To me it seems that this has changed some times ago, maybe with some
Xorg-update or anything like that.

Is

INPUT_DEVICES="evdev"

still OK for a simple USB mouse?

This is ~amd64 .. xorg-server 1.13.0

Thanks for any ideas on this, Stefan

Re: [gentoo-user] (double)click

[Alan McKinnon]

On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:53:51 +0100
"Stefan G. Weichinger" <lists@xunil.at> wrote:

> 
> I face an annoying behavior on my main workstation and I can't spot
> it, so maybe you guys have an idea.
> 
> My mouse behaves a bit strange, for example in thunderbird.
> 
> When I click a mail in the normal folder view, the expected behavior
> is just to get the content displayed below. Instead it happens
> *sometimes*/rather often, that it gets opened in a new tab, as if i
> had clicked it twice.


Maybe you did click twice at least from the computer's POV :-)

test with a different mouse, it's quite common for mouse button
switches to get dirty and bounce more than once when clicking them.

If another mouse does the same, then we'd need to look at your software
configs.




> 
> Recompiled thunderbird, no change.
> 
> The click also somehow doesn't really work in opera, for example.
> 
> It marks things instead of clicking a link ... somehow strange.
> 
> To me it seems that this has changed some times ago, maybe with some
> Xorg-update or anything like that.
> 
> Is
> 
> INPUT_DEVICES="evdev"
> 
> still OK for a simple USB mouse?
> 
> This is ~amd64 .. xorg-server 1.13.0
> 
> Thanks for any ideas on this, Stefan
> 



-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] (double)click

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

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And different evdev Versions react differently facing a bouncing Button
 Am 05.11.2012 14:10 schrieb "Alan McKinnon" <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>:

> On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:53:51 +0100
> "Stefan G. Weichinger" <lists@xunil.at> wrote:
>
> >
> > I face an annoying behavior on my main workstation and I can't spot
> > it, so maybe you guys have an idea.
> >
> > My mouse behaves a bit strange, for example in thunderbird.
> >
> > When I click a mail in the normal folder view, the expected behavior
> > is just to get the content displayed below. Instead it happens
> > *sometimes*/rather often, that it gets opened in a new tab, as if i
> > had clicked it twice.
>
>
> Maybe you did click twice at least from the computer's POV :-)
>
> test with a different mouse, it's quite common for mouse button
> switches to get dirty and bounce more than once when clicking them.
>
> If another mouse does the same, then we'd need to look at your software
> configs.
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Recompiled thunderbird, no change.
> >
> > The click also somehow doesn't really work in opera, for example.
> >
> > It marks things instead of clicking a link ... somehow strange.
> >
> > To me it seems that this has changed some times ago, maybe with some
> > Xorg-update or anything like that.
> >
> > Is
> >
> > INPUT_DEVICES="evdev"
> >
> > still OK for a simple USB mouse?
> >
> > This is ~amd64 .. xorg-server 1.13.0
> >
> > Thanks for any ideas on this, Stefan
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Alan McKinnon
> alan.mckinnon@gmail.com
>
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] (double)click

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 05.11.2012 14:01, schrieb Alan McKinnon:

> Maybe you did click twice at least from the computer's POV :-)

Yes, I had that thought as well ...

> test with a different mouse, it's quite common for mouse button
> switches to get dirty and bounce more than once when clicking them.

;-)

> If another mouse does the same, then we'd need to look at your software
> configs.

Using that tiny laptop-mouse for a cross test now ... you might be right!

Could have tried that before, yes ... sigh ...

Thanks anyway ;-) Stefan

Re: [gentoo-user] (double)click

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 05.11.2012 14:35, schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann:
> And different evdev Versions react differently facing a bouncing Button

the two issues might somehow coincide here ... ;-)

Gotta buy myself a new mouse then ... thanks, Stefan

Re: [gentoo-user] (double)click

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am Montag, 5. November 2012, 19:39:17 schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
> Am 05.11.2012 14:35, schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann:
> > And different evdev Versions react differently facing a bouncing Button
> 
> the two issues might somehow coincide here ... ;-)
> 
> Gotta buy myself a new mouse then ... thanks, Stefan

you don't have to. Just open the mouse and the microswitch inside and bent 
that metal thingy inside a bit. There are lots of sites covering that subject. 

My mx510 needs this occasionally. 

-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] (double)click

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 2012-11-05 19:52, schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann:
> Am Montag, 5. November 2012, 19:39:17 schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
>> Am 05.11.2012 14:35, schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann:
>>> And different evdev Versions react differently facing a bouncing Button
>>
>> the two issues might somehow coincide here ... ;-)
>>
>> Gotta buy myself a new mouse then ... thanks, Stefan
> 
> you don't have to. Just open the mouse and the microswitch inside and bent 
> that metal thingy inside a bit. There are lots of sites covering that subject. 
> 
> My mx510 needs this occasionally. 

unfortunately there is no metal thingy in there.

It's a cheap hp mouse, came along with a pc. All plastic.

S

Re: [gentoo-user] (double)click

[Alan McKinnon]

On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 21:36:57 +0100
"Stefan G. Weichinger" <lists@xunil.at> wrote:

> Am 2012-11-05 19:52, schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann:
> > Am Montag, 5. November 2012, 19:39:17 schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
> >> Am 05.11.2012 14:35, schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann:
> >>> And different evdev Versions react differently facing a bouncing
> >>> Button
> >>
> >> the two issues might somehow coincide here ... ;-)
> >>
> >> Gotta buy myself a new mouse then ... thanks, Stefan
> > 
> > you don't have to. Just open the mouse and the microswitch inside
> > and bent that metal thingy inside a bit. There are lots of sites
> > covering that subject. 
> > 
> > My mx510 needs this occasionally. 
> 
> unfortunately there is no metal thingy in there.
> 
> It's a cheap hp mouse, came along with a pc. All plastic.

I know those things all too well....

The only mouse worse than an HP plastic mouse is the tiny Targus
wireless ones that come with their computer bags.

A long time ago I bit the bullet and bought myself some real input
devices:

A range of Logitech mouses
A Rat 7
Basic microsoft keyboard (hey, they DO make good hardware)

and my prized possession: a Dell-branded Model-M craftily lifted out of
the corner where it was hiding and no-one knew what it even was :-)



-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] (double)click

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 2012-11-05 23:01, schrieb Alan McKinnon:

>> It's a cheap hp mouse, came along with a pc. All plastic.
> 
> I know those things all too well....

we all do.

It worked for a while ... only recently it got problematic.

> The only mouse worse than an HP plastic mouse is the tiny Targus
> wireless ones that come with their computer bags.
> 
> A long time ago I bit the bullet and bought myself some real input
> devices:
> 
> A range of Logitech mouses
> A Rat 7
> Basic microsoft keyboard (hey, they DO make good hardware)
> 
> and my prized possession: a Dell-branded Model-M craftily lifted out of
> the corner where it was hiding and no-one knew what it even was :-)

whoa ... great stuff ;-)

Gonna get myself some new mouse tomorrow when I am on the road to
clients. The boss pays (boss=me).

[gentoo-user] Re: (double)click

[Grant Edwards]

On 2012-11-05, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:

> and my prized possession: a Dell-branded Model-M craftily lifted out of
> the corner where it was hiding and no-one knew what it even was :-)

Microsoft can't touch IBM when it comes to quality keyboards.

The keyboard that came with my 8Mhz IBM PC-AT back in 1986 still gets
used every day and still works as good as the day I unpacked it.  It's
an absolutely brilliant job of engineering and manufacturing.

I'm also very fond the IBM "space saver" keyaboard with the built in
"eraser nub" mouse keys and _without_ the waste-of-space numeric
keypad.  I'm an engineer, not a checkout clerk at a grocery store...

I _really_ wanted to like my happy hacker keyboard, but the key action
was just too stiff and vague.

-- 
Grant Edwards               grant.b.edwards        Yow! I'm DESPONDENT ... I
                                  at               hope there's something
                              gmail.com            DEEP-FRIED under this
                                                   miniature DOMED STADIUM ...

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: (double)click

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 14:06:37 +0000 (UTC)
Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2012-11-05, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > and my prized possession: a Dell-branded Model-M craftily lifted
> > out of the corner where it was hiding and no-one knew what it even
> > was :-)
> 
> Microsoft can't touch IBM when it comes to quality keyboards.
> 
> The keyboard that came with my 8Mhz IBM PC-AT back in 1986 still gets
> used every day and still works as good as the day I unpacked it.  It's
> an absolutely brilliant job of engineering and manufacturing.

That's because it's a Model M - the best keyboard ever made IMNSHO

You know you can still buy those?
Some crowd bought the entire manufacturing rights to the Model M and
set up shop making them for sale. Same keyboard, some models have
electronic updates (like USB), same brilliant key action, same ability
to be used as a lethal weapon (club) or as a cricket bat ;-)

Cost is around $100 each last time I looked.





> 
> I'm also very fond the IBM "space saver" keyaboard with the built in
> "eraser nub" mouse keys and _without_ the waste-of-space numeric
> keypad.  I'm an engineer, not a checkout clerk at a grocery store...
> 
> I _really_ wanted to like my happy hacker keyboard, but the key action
> was just too stiff and vague.
> 



-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

[gentoo-user] Re: (double)click

[Grant Edwards]

On 2012-11-06, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:

>> The keyboard that came with my 8Mhz IBM PC-AT back in 1986 still gets
>> used every day and still works as good as the day I unpacked it. 
>> It's an absolutely brilliant job of engineering and manufacturing.
>
> That's because it's a Model M - the best keyboard ever made IMNSHO
>
> You know you can still buy those?

Yea, Unicomp bought the rights and sells them for $80:

   http://www.pckeyboard.com/

I was thrilled when I saw they offered a "spacesaver M" model.  I
thought it was going to be a clone of the IBM 84-key model M "space
saver" that IBM sold back in 87-89.

Nope.  It's the same desk-hogging size as a regular M -- not really
sure where the "space saving" comes from.

So now I'm really torn between the key-action of the M and the smaller
size and built-in pointer of the IBM spacesaver II.

Once upon a time, there was a Minnesota company called Omnikey that
made excellent keyboards -- almost as good as the model M (and they
had a dipswitch and extra keycaps that let you have a proper Control
key).  I think got bought by Northgate, and then went out of business
back when all the other smaller clone manufactures...

-- 
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                                  at               CASH FLOW?
                              gmail.com            

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: (double)click

[covici]

Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2012-11-06, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >> The keyboard that came with my 8Mhz IBM PC-AT back in 1986 still gets
> >> used every day and still works as good as the day I unpacked it. 
> >> It's an absolutely brilliant job of engineering and manufacturing.
> >
> > That's because it's a Model M - the best keyboard ever made IMNSHO
> >
> > You know you can still buy those?
> 
> Yea, Unicomp bought the rights and sells them for $80:
> 
>    http://www.pckeyboard.com/
> 
> I was thrilled when I saw they offered a "spacesaver M" model.  I
> thought it was going to be a clone of the IBM 84-key model M "space
> saver" that IBM sold back in 87-89.
> 
> Nope.  It's the same desk-hogging size as a regular M -- not really
> sure where the "space saving" comes from.
> 
> So now I'm really torn between the key-action of the M and the smaller
> size and built-in pointer of the IBM spacesaver II.
> 
> Once upon a time, there was a Minnesota company called Omnikey that
> made excellent keyboards -- almost as good as the model M (and they
> had a dipswitch and extra keycaps that let you have a proper Control
> key).  I think got bought by Northgate, and then went out of business
> back when all the other smaller clone manufactures...

Take a look at a company called Ergonomic Resources -- sorry I no longer
have the URL, but they make a similar keyboard which has actual
switches! etc.  I  do have the name -- Avant keyboard.

-- 
Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
How do
you spend it?

         John Covici
         covici@ccs.covici.com

[gentoo-user] Re: (double)click

[Grant Edwards]

On 2012-11-06, covici@ccs.covici.com <covici@ccs.covici.com> wrote:

>> Once upon a time, there was a Minnesota company called Omnikey that
>> made excellent keyboards -- almost as good as the model M (and they
>> had a dipswitch and extra keycaps that let you have a proper Control
>> key).  I think got bought by Northgate, and then went out of business
>> back when all the other smaller clone manufactures...
>
> Take a look at a company called Ergonomic Resources -- sorry I no longer
> have the URL, but they make a similar keyboard which has actual
> switches! etc.  I  do have the name -- Avant keyboard.

AFAICT, the company that used to make the "Avant" Omnikey clones was
Creative Vision Technologies, and they seem to have gone out of around
2009.  There are reviews of the Avant keyboards from a few years ago
(that mention the FCC ID of the keyboards contains the string
'omnikey'). But, nobody sells the avant keyboards, and CVT seems to be
gone.

-- 
Grant Edwards               grant.b.edwards        Yow! Am I SHOPLIFTING?
                                  at               
                              gmail.com            

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: (double)click

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am Dienstag, 6. November 2012, 17:03:17 schrieb Alan McKinnon:
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 14:06:37 +0000 (UTC)
> 
> Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2012-11-05, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > and my prized possession: a Dell-branded Model-M craftily lifted
> > > out of the corner where it was hiding and no-one knew what it even
> > > was :-)
> > 
> > Microsoft can't touch IBM when it comes to quality keyboards.
> > 
> > The keyboard that came with my 8Mhz IBM PC-AT back in 1986 still gets
> > used every day and still works as good as the day I unpacked it.  It's
> > an absolutely brilliant job of engineering and manufacturing.
> 
> That's because it's a Model M - the best keyboard ever made IMNSHO

hahahaha

Cherry G80-2100

I have nothing to add.

-- 
#163933

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: (double)click

[Paul Hartman]

On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Grant Edwards
<grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>    http://www.pckeyboard.com/
>
> I was thrilled when I saw they offered a "spacesaver M" model.  I
> thought it was going to be a clone of the IBM 84-key model M "space
> saver" that IBM sold back in 87-89.
>
> Nope.  It's the same desk-hogging size as a regular M -- not really
> sure where the "space saving" comes from.

I have both the classic and spacesaver models and the spacesaver is
definitely smaller. The size of the keys/keyboard layout are the same,
however, it's the size of the casing that is different. There is more
area to left and right and a much larger area to the north of the
function keys. The classic weighs about ~1 pound more than the
spacesaver, too. Compared to any other modern keyboard the spacesaver
is probably the same or bigger, though. But my point is that the
original is huge. :)