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To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <6582741.F9gJHCEsXr@dell_xps> <2343494.DDJaQvByiF@dell_xps> <20171210210139.rm63ja4rdyrb2ewo@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> <87po7jjzth.fsf@nyu.edu> From: Alan McKinnon Message-ID: <4d3facb7-abec-2c0e-7fd0-02e2daee3f95@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:06:29 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87po7jjzth.fsf@nyu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 00189600-6623-4d5c-aef6-ccbff10d278e X-Archives-Hash: 81303aa6e161a725c9d5e4cd376914fa On 13/12/2017 01:23, allan gottlieb wrote: > On Mon, Dec 11 2017, Jorge Almeida wrote: > >> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >>> >>> Just my two cents. I will not answer any reply to my little contribution to >>> this thread; >> >> Good. I can't remember any intervention from you that I would miss. > > That makes one of us. > > As a gnome user I needed to use systemd when gnome-3 came about. While > I have nothing useful to say pro or con about systemd, I strongly > believe Canek has contributed a number of helpful comments to this > group. Yes, this. Some historical correctnesses about Canek: - He has been here for years - He has contributed here for years - He supports systemd and has offered more help and explanation about systemd to it's users on this list than any other single person, bar none - He has never, not once, slagged off SysV Init, OpenRC or any other init system, ot the creators or the users - He has never posted rude or inflamatory comments about anyone arguing against him - He has never resorted to ad-hominem and never posted any knee jerk opinions about any other poster wrt their stance on init systems If we look at the reverse we see a very different picture, and it's right here in this very thread. To the poster who rudely commented about Canek being a professor and that doesn't make him right and that he is one voice, step back pal and take a very long hard look at what you said. Yes, it doesn't make him right. Also doesn't make him wrong. His posts and the content are what make him right or wrong. There truly are fan bois on this list, but Canek is not one of them. It's the systemd-haters and Poeterring-haters who are being fan bois, painting all detractors with the same brush. Frankly, I'm amazed Canek is still here considering the amount of abuse he takes from this list. He must have thick skin or maybe dealing with detractors is a crucial part of academic training. I myself would have rage quitted a long time ago but he is still here. A good healthy dose of manners like your Mama taught you is in short supply around here right now. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com