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Audio: No To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <20161015182743.GB4541@solfire> <20161216101951.GA29887@g0n.xdwgrp> <20161216131315.GA4052@g0n.xdwgrp> <20161216165118.GA26704@g0n.xdwgrp> <20161217055520.GA13608@waltdnes.org> <87pokn23ai.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> From: Daniel Frey Message-ID: <4c7138ac-cbd2-c60f-2a86-bb7e41e9d6fb@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 12:07:53 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87pokn23ai.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 75b838be-ec8a-4922-877f-964792777e76 X-Archives-Hash: a51c033f1544a41975dcfc50856eb507 On 12/19/2016 10:15 AM, lee wrote: > "Walter Dnes" writes: > >> Similarly, the vast majority of home users have a machine with one >> ethernet port, and in the past it's always been eth0. > > Since 10 years or so, the default is two ports. Not in any of the computers I've built. Generally only high end or workstation/server boards have two ports. i.e. not what the typical home user would buy. > >> Now the name varies in each machine depending on the motherboard >> layout; oogabooga11? foobar42? It may be static, but you don't know >> what it'll be, without first booting the machine. In a truly >> Orwellian twist, this "feature" is referred to as "Predictable" >> Network Interface Names. It only makes things easier for corporate >> machines acting as gateways/routers, with multiple ports. Again, the >> average home user is being jerked around for a corporate agenda. > > Perhaps the hidden agenda was to make the names indistinguishable and > unrecognisable, forcing everyone to use copy and paste --- after at > least double-checking which port is which --- to eliminate human and > typing errors in order to get more predictable results. > > Otherwise, how would using unrecognisable names for network ports make > anything easier for corporate machines? > It is even more frustrating that these so-called predictable network names actually can change on a reboot, it's happened to me more than once when multiple network cards are detected in a different order. Dan