[gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Dale]

Hi,

I posted the other day about my email setup.  Then it hit me, while I
copied the settings over, I never tested it.  So, I tested it.  Sure
enough, no email sent.  Got error messages tho.  I mostly, maybe only,
use this for SMART drive info.  If it detects failure or problems, it
emails me.  Well, it's supposed to anyway.  So, I test by restarting
smartd and it set to send a test email. 

I'm almost certain this started when Google changed the security setup a
few years back.  I've googled and tried the settings others use
including the passkey thingy.  None of it works.  This is the output of
messages for both smartd and smtp.  Check out my fancy egrep.  :-D 


root@Gentoo-1 / # tail -n 50 -f /var/log/messages | egrep 'smartd|sSMTP'
Sep  2 21:23:08 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Monitoring 8 ATA/SATA, 0
SCSI/SAS and 1 NVMe devices
Sep  2 21:23:08 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Executing test of <mail> to root ...
Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20757]: Unable to connect to
"smtp.gmail.com" port 587.
Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20757]: Cannot open smtp.gmail.com:587
Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Test of <mail> to root produced
unexpected output (65 bytes) to STDOUT/STDERR:
Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: mail: cannot send message:
Process exited with a non-zero status
Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Test of <mail> to root: failed
(32-bit/8-bit exit status: 256/1)
Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Executing test of <mail> to root ...
Sep  2 21:27:40 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20885]: Unable to connect to
"smtp.gmail.com" port 587.
Sep  2 21:27:40 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20885]: Cannot open smtp.gmail.com:587



This is a edited version of some config files.  Obvious things like
passwords and such changed. 


root@Gentoo-1 / # cat /etc/ssmtp/revaliases

root:rdalek<annoy the bots>1967@gmail.com:smtp.gmail.com:587
dalerdalek<annoy the bots>1967@gmail.com:587
other_user:rdalek<annoy the bots>1967@gmail.com:587
root@Gentoo-1 / #

root@Gentoo-1 / # grep -v '^#' /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf
root=postmaster
root=rdalek1967@gmail.com  #Change to your preferred email address
mailhub=smtp.gmail.com:587  #Could also use port 587 for STARTTLS Old 465
rewriteDomain=Gentoo-1  #Something to denote your machine's name
FromLineOverride=YES
UseSTARTTLS=YES
#UseTLS=YES
AuthUser=rdalek<annoy the bots>1967@gmail.com
AuthPass=<not real either>  #Special characters seem to barf with ssmtp
#AuthPass=abcdefghijklmnop
mailhub=mail
# hostname=_HOSTNAME_
hostname=Gentoo-1
root@Gentoo-1 / #


I think that is the only config files.  If not, I may have missed one
and that is the problem.  Some things that are commented out are things
I tried with no success.  If someone has a working setup and would like
to share a similar edited version of their files, that would be awesome. 

Any ideas?  Does Google just outright block this now?  If so, I have
another good reason to get rid of gmail.  :-) 

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Dale]

Dale wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I posted the other day about my email setup.  Then it hit me, while I
> copied the settings over, I never tested it.  So, I tested it.  Sure
> enough, no email sent.  Got error messages tho.  I mostly, maybe only,
> use this for SMART drive info.  If it detects failure or problems, it
> emails me.  Well, it's supposed to anyway.  So, I test by restarting
> smartd and it set to send a test email. 
>
> I'm almost certain this started when Google changed the security setup a
> few years back.  I've googled and tried the settings others use
> including the passkey thingy.  None of it works.  This is the output of
> messages for both smartd and smtp.  Check out my fancy egrep.  :-D 
>
>
> root@Gentoo-1 / # tail -n 50 -f /var/log/messages | egrep 'smartd|sSMTP'
> Sep  2 21:23:08 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Monitoring 8 ATA/SATA, 0
> SCSI/SAS and 1 NVMe devices
> Sep  2 21:23:08 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Executing test of <mail> to root ...
> Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20757]: Unable to connect to
> "smtp.gmail.com" port 587.
> Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20757]: Cannot open smtp.gmail.com:587
> Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Test of <mail> to root produced
> unexpected output (65 bytes) to STDOUT/STDERR:
> Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: mail: cannot send message:
> Process exited with a non-zero status
> Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Test of <mail> to root: failed
> (32-bit/8-bit exit status: 256/1)
> Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Executing test of <mail> to root ...
> Sep  2 21:27:40 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20885]: Unable to connect to
> "smtp.gmail.com" port 587.
> Sep  2 21:27:40 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20885]: Cannot open smtp.gmail.com:587
>
>
>
> This is a edited version of some config files.  Obvious things like
> passwords and such changed. 
>
>
> root@Gentoo-1 / # cat /etc/ssmtp/revaliases
>
> root:rdalek<annoy the bots>1967@gmail.com:smtp.gmail.com:587
> dalerdalek<annoy the bots>1967@gmail.com:587
> other_user:rdalek<annoy the bots>1967@gmail.com:587
> root@Gentoo-1 / #
>
> root@Gentoo-1 / # grep -v '^#' /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf
> root=postmaster
> root=rdalek1967@gmail.com  #Change to your preferred email address
> mailhub=smtp.gmail.com:587  #Could also use port 587 for STARTTLS Old 465
> rewriteDomain=Gentoo-1  #Something to denote your machine's name
> FromLineOverride=YES
> UseSTARTTLS=YES
> #UseTLS=YES
> AuthUser=rdalek<annoy the bots>1967@gmail.com
> AuthPass=<not real either>  #Special characters seem to barf with ssmtp
> #AuthPass=abcdefghijklmnop
> mailhub=mail
> # hostname=_HOSTNAME_
> hostname=Gentoo-1
> root@Gentoo-1 / #
>
>
> I think that is the only config files.  If not, I may have missed one
> and that is the problem.  Some things that are commented out are things
> I tried with no success.  If someone has a working setup and would like
> to share a similar edited version of their files, that would be awesome. 
>
> Any ideas?  Does Google just outright block this now?  If so, I have
> another good reason to get rid of gmail.  :-) 
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>


No one here has their system set up to use Gmail for system emails??? 
Surely there is one person who can share a working config.  I just wish
Google would stop changing things and screwing up our emails. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[covici]

On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 16:43:09 -0400,
Dale wrote:
> 
> Dale wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I posted the other day about my email setup.  Then it hit me, while I
> > copied the settings over, I never tested it.  So, I tested it.  Sure
> > enough, no email sent.  Got error messages tho.  I mostly, maybe only,
> > use this for SMART drive info.  If it detects failure or problems, it
> > emails me.  Well, it's supposed to anyway.  So, I test by restarting
> > smartd and it set to send a test email. 
> >
> > I'm almost certain this started when Google changed the security setup a
> > few years back.  I've googled and tried the settings others use
> > including the passkey thingy.  None of it works.  This is the output of
> > messages for both smartd and smtp.  Check out my fancy egrep.  :-D 
> >
> >
> > root@Gentoo-1 / # tail -n 50 -f /var/log/messages | egrep 'smartd|sSMTP'
> > Sep  2 21:23:08 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Monitoring 8 ATA/SATA, 0
> > SCSI/SAS and 1 NVMe devices
> > Sep  2 21:23:08 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Executing test of <mail> to root ...
> > Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20757]: Unable to connect to
> > "smtp.gmail.com" port 587.
> > Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20757]: Cannot open smtp.gmail.com:587
> > Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Test of <mail> to root produced
> > unexpected output (65 bytes) to STDOUT/STDERR:
> > Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: mail: cannot send message:
> > Process exited with a non-zero status
> > Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Test of <mail> to root: failed
> > (32-bit/8-bit exit status: 256/1)
> > Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Executing test of <mail> to root ...
> > Sep  2 21:27:40 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20885]: Unable to connect to
> > "smtp.gmail.com" port 587.
> > Sep  2 21:27:40 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20885]: Cannot open smtp.gmail.com:587
> >
> >
> >
> > This is a edited version of some config files.  Obvious things like
> > passwords and such changed. 
> >
> >
> > root@Gentoo-1 / # cat /etc/ssmtp/revaliases
> >
> > root:rdalek<annoy the bots>1967@gmail.com:smtp.gmail.com:587
> > dalerdalek<annoy the bots>1967@gmail.com:587
> > other_user:rdalek<annoy the bots>1967@gmail.com:587
> > root@Gentoo-1 / #
> >
> > root@Gentoo-1 / # grep -v '^#' /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf
> > root=postmaster
> > root=rdalek1967@gmail.com  #Change to your preferred email address
> > mailhub=smtp.gmail.com:587  #Could also use port 587 for STARTTLS Old 465
> > rewriteDomain=Gentoo-1  #Something to denote your machine's name
> > FromLineOverride=YES
> > UseSTARTTLS=YES
> > #UseTLS=YES
> > AuthUser=rdalek<annoy the bots>1967@gmail.com
> > AuthPass=<not real either>  #Special characters seem to barf with ssmtp
> > #AuthPass=abcdefghijklmnop
> > mailhub=mail
> > # hostname=_HOSTNAME_
> > hostname=Gentoo-1
> > root@Gentoo-1 / #
> >
> >
> > I think that is the only config files.  If not, I may have missed one
> > and that is the problem.  Some things that are commented out are things
> > I tried with no success.  If someone has a working setup and would like
> > to share a similar edited version of their files, that would be awesome. 
> >
> > Any ideas?  Does Google just outright block this now?  If so, I have
> > another good reason to get rid of gmail.  :-) 
> >
> > Dale
> >
> > :-)  :-)
> >
> 
> 
> No one here has their system set up to use Gmail for system emails??? 
> Surely there is one person who can share a working config.  I just wish
> Google would stop changing things and screwing up our emails. 
> I would never use a free Email service to send -- its worth exactly
> what you pay for!

Re: [gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Dale]

covici@ccs.covici.com wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 16:43:09 -0400,
> Dale wrote:
>> Dale wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I posted the other day about my email setup.  Then it hit me, while I
>>> copied the settings over, I never tested it.  So, I tested it.  Sure
>>> enough, no email sent.  Got error messages tho.  I mostly, maybe only,
>>> use this for SMART drive info.  If it detects failure or problems, it
>>> emails me.  Well, it's supposed to anyway.  So, I test by restarting
>>> smartd and it set to send a test email. 
>>>
>>> I'm almost certain this started when Google changed the security setup a
>>> few years back.  I've googled and tried the settings others use
>>> including the passkey thingy.  None of it works.  This is the output of
>>> messages for both smartd and smtp.  Check out my fancy egrep.  :-D 
>>>
>>>
>>> root@Gentoo-1 / # tail -n 50 -f /var/log/messages | egrep 'smartd|sSMTP'
>>> Sep  2 21:23:08 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Monitoring 8 ATA/SATA, 0
>>> SCSI/SAS and 1 NVMe devices
>>> Sep  2 21:23:08 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Executing test of <mail> to root ...
>>> Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20757]: Unable to connect to
>>> "smtp.gmail.com" port 587.
>>> Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20757]: Cannot open smtp.gmail.com:587
>>> Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Test of <mail> to root produced
>>> unexpected output (65 bytes) to STDOUT/STDERR:
>>> Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: mail: cannot send message:
>>> Process exited with a non-zero status
>>> Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Test of <mail> to root: failed
>>> (32-bit/8-bit exit status: 256/1)
>>> Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Executing test of <mail> to root ...
>>> Sep  2 21:27:40 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20885]: Unable to connect to
>>> "smtp.gmail.com" port 587.
>>> Sep  2 21:27:40 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20885]: Cannot open smtp.gmail.com:587
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is a edited version of some config files.  Obvious things like
>>> passwords and such changed. 
>>>
>>>
>>> root@Gentoo-1 / # cat /etc/ssmtp/revaliases
>>>
>>> root:rdalek<annoy the bots>1967@gmail.com:smtp.gmail.com:587
>>> dalerdalek<annoy the bots>1967@gmail.com:587
>>> other_user:rdalek<annoy the bots>1967@gmail.com:587
>>> root@Gentoo-1 / #
>>>
>>> root@Gentoo-1 / # grep -v '^#' /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf
>>> root=postmaster
>>> root=rdalek1967@gmail.com  #Change to your preferred email address
>>> mailhub=smtp.gmail.com:587  #Could also use port 587 for STARTTLS Old 465
>>> rewriteDomain=Gentoo-1  #Something to denote your machine's name
>>> FromLineOverride=YES
>>> UseSTARTTLS=YES
>>> #UseTLS=YES
>>> AuthUser=rdalek<annoy the bots>1967@gmail.com
>>> AuthPass=<not real either>  #Special characters seem to barf with ssmtp
>>> #AuthPass=abcdefghijklmnop
>>> mailhub=mail
>>> # hostname=_HOSTNAME_
>>> hostname=Gentoo-1
>>> root@Gentoo-1 / #
>>>
>>>
>>> I think that is the only config files.  If not, I may have missed one
>>> and that is the problem.  Some things that are commented out are things
>>> I tried with no success.  If someone has a working setup and would like
>>> to share a similar edited version of their files, that would be awesome. 
>>>
>>> Any ideas?  Does Google just outright block this now?  If so, I have
>>> another good reason to get rid of gmail.  :-) 
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>> :-)  :-)
>>>
>>
>> No one here has their system set up to use Gmail for system emails??? 
>> Surely there is one person who can share a working config.  I just wish
>> Google would stop changing things and screwing up our emails. 
>>
> I would never use a free Email service to send -- its worth exactly
> what you pay for!
>

Well, I been wanting to switch but can't find one I know I will like
long term.  I don't want to switch then not like it and have to switch
again.  Then maybe repeat that a few times.  I was thinking about
switching to startmail but they started this captcha stuff which makes
their website unusable for me.  Every time I clicked on something,
captcha.  Click on something else, captcha.  I stopped using startpage
completely after reaching out to them and basically, getting little to
no real help.  Shame really.  Seemed like a good option. 

If you know a email service that isn't to expensive but is secure, not
secure enough to block me from doing things I need to do tho, I'm open
to ideas.  I'd like something that is outside the USA if possible.  You
know, one of those countries that tells folks to go pound sand when they
want to snoop around.  ;-)  Oh, not interested in setting up my own
either.  I got enough interesting computer problems already.  ;-) 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Michael]

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On Thursday 26 September 2024 08:28:47 BST Dale wrote:
> covici@ccs.covici.com wrote:
> > On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 16:43:09 -0400,
> > 
> > Dale wrote:
> >> Dale wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>> 
> >>> I posted the other day about my email setup.  Then it hit me, while I
> >>> copied the settings over, I never tested it.  So, I tested it.  Sure
> >>> enough, no email sent.  Got error messages tho.  I mostly, maybe only,
> >>> use this for SMART drive info.  If it detects failure or problems, it
> >>> emails me.  Well, it's supposed to anyway.  So, I test by restarting
> >>> smartd and it set to send a test email. 
> >>> 
> >>> I'm almost certain this started when Google changed the security setup a
> >>> few years back.  I've googled and tried the settings others use
> >>> including the passkey thingy.  None of it works.  This is the output of
> >>> messages for both smartd and smtp.  Check out my fancy egrep.  :-D 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> root@Gentoo-1 / # tail -n 50 -f /var/log/messages | egrep 'smartd|sSMTP'
> >>> Sep  2 21:23:08 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Monitoring 8 ATA/SATA, 0
> >>> SCSI/SAS and 1 NVMe devices
> >>> Sep  2 21:23:08 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Executing test of <mail> to root
> >>> ... Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20757]: Unable to connect to
> >>> "smtp.gmail.com" port 587.
> >>> Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20757]: Cannot open smtp.gmail.com:587
> >>> Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Test of <mail> to root produced
> >>> unexpected output (65 bytes) to STDOUT/STDERR:
> >>> Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: mail: cannot send message:
> >>> Process exited with a non-zero status
> >>> Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Test of <mail> to root: failed
> >>> (32-bit/8-bit exit status: 256/1)
> >>> Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Executing test of <mail> to root
> >>> ... Sep  2 21:27:40 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20885]: Unable to connect to
> >>> "smtp.gmail.com" port 587.
> >>> Sep  2 21:27:40 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20885]: Cannot open smtp.gmail.com:587
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> This is a edited version of some config files.  Obvious things like
> >>> passwords and such changed. 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> root@Gentoo-1 / # cat /etc/ssmtp/revaliases
> >>> 
> >>> root:rdalek<annoy the bots>1967@gmail.com:smtp.gmail.com:587
> >>> dalerdalek<annoy the bots>1967@gmail.com:587
> >>> other_user:rdalek<annoy the bots>1967@gmail.com:587
> >>> root@Gentoo-1 / #
> >>> 
> >>> root@Gentoo-1 / # grep -v '^#' /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf
> >>> root=postmaster
> >>> root=rdalek1967@gmail.com  #Change to your preferred email address
> >>> mailhub=smtp.gmail.com:587  #Could also use port 587 for STARTTLS Old
> >>> 465
> >>> rewriteDomain=Gentoo-1  #Something to denote your machine's name
> >>> FromLineOverride=YES
> >>> UseSTARTTLS=YES
> >>> #UseTLS=YES
> >>> AuthUser=rdalek<annoy the bots>1967@gmail.com
> >>> AuthPass=<not real either>  #Special characters seem to barf with ssmtp
> >>> #AuthPass=abcdefghijklmnop
> >>> mailhub=mail
> >>> # hostname=_HOSTNAME_
> >>> hostname=Gentoo-1
> >>> root@Gentoo-1 / #
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> I think that is the only config files.  If not, I may have missed one
> >>> and that is the problem.  Some things that are commented out are things
> >>> I tried with no success.  If someone has a working setup and would like
> >>> to share a similar edited version of their files, that would be
> >>> awesome. 
> >>> 
> >>> Any ideas?  Does Google just outright block this now?  If so, I have
> >>> another good reason to get rid of gmail.  :-) 
> >>> 
> >>> Dale
> >>> 
> >>> :-)  :-)
> >> 
> >> No one here has their system set up to use Gmail for system emails??? 
> >> Surely there is one person who can share a working config.  I just wish
> >> Google would stop changing things and screwing up our emails. 

ssmtp stopped working with a conventional password when Google introduced 2-
Step-Verification for their GMail account.  Consequently, to be able to 
continue using ssmtp you need to set up an 'App Password' and use the 16-
character password generated by Google to login:

 https://support.google.com/mail/answer/185833

It used to be the case you could set up an 'App Password' without having to 
provide them with your phone number and other 'none-of-their-business' 
personal information, but for some years now they have been asking for more 
information to allow you to complete setting up 'App Password' for your Google 
account(s) and device(s).


> > I would never use a free Email service to send -- its worth exactly
> > what you pay for!

When the service is offered as being supposedly 'free', you, by providing your 
data, is the product.


> Well, I been wanting to switch but can't find one I know I will like
> long term.  I don't want to switch then not like it and have to switch
> again.  Then maybe repeat that a few times.  I was thinking about
> switching to startmail but they started this captcha stuff which makes
> their website unusable for me.  Every time I clicked on something,
> captcha.  Click on something else, captcha.  I stopped using startpage
> completely after reaching out to them and basically, getting little to
> no real help.  Shame really.  Seemed like a good option. 

Mass-market services cannot afford providing individual user support.  At best 
they may provide some FAQs.  Some may host a forum of sorts for users to offer 
support to other users.  Oh, ... hold on!  LOL!


> If you know a email service that isn't to expensive but is secure, not
> secure enough to block me from doing things I need to do tho, I'm open
> to ideas.  I'd like something that is outside the USA if possible.  You
> know, one of those countries that tells folks to go pound sand when they
> want to snoop around.  ;-)

The snooping mostly takes place across borders.  Your government's 3-letter 
agencies will ask whichever other hosting country's agencies to share with 
them any information they have about you and reciprocate accordingly.  There 
is no privacy on the Internet.

That said, if you're interested in limiting opportunistic snooping, something 
like this may help:

https://proton.me/mail

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Re: [gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Wolfgang Müller]

On 2024-09-02 21:44, Dale wrote:
> Sep  2 21:23:08 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Executing test of <mail> to root ...
> Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20757]: Unable to connect to
> "smtp.gmail.com" port 587.
> Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20757]: Cannot open smtp.gmail.com:587
> Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Test of <mail> to root produced
> unexpected output (65 bytes) to STDOUT/STDERR:
> Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: mail: cannot send message:
> Process exited with a non-zero status
> Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Test of <mail> to root: failed
> (32-bit/8-bit exit status: 256/1)
> Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Executing test of <mail> to root ...
> Sep  2 21:27:40 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20885]: Unable to connect to
> "smtp.gmail.com" port 587.
> Sep  2 21:27:40 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20885]: Cannot open smtp.gmail.com:587

What's nagging me about this is that there's a 2 minute delay between
smartd executing the test and ssmtp reporting that it can't connect to
smtp.gmail.com. Looks like a timeout to me rather than any issue with
mail. You should at least get an "authentication failed" message back
from Google... or any message at all, really.

Can you check whether you can actually access smtp.gmail.com? Try this:

	ncat smtp.gmail.com 587

Perhaps also set -v on ssmtp to get additional log output.

PS: ssmtp has been unmaintained since at least 2019, consider using
msmtp instead.

-- 
Wolf

Re: [gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Dale]

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Michael wrote:
> On Thursday 26 September 2024 08:28:47 BST Dale wrote:
>> ssmtp stopped working with a conventional password when Google
>> introduced 2- 
> Step-Verification for their GMail account.  Consequently, to be able to 
> continue using ssmtp you need to set up an 'App Password' and use the 16-
> character password generated by Google to login:
>
>  https://support.google.com/mail/answer/185833
>
> It used to be the case you could set up an 'App Password' without having to 
> provide them with your phone number and other 'none-of-their-business' 
> personal information, but for some years now they have been asking for more 
> information to allow you to complete setting up 'App Password' for your Google 
> account(s) and device(s).
>

I also tried the 16 character password method too.  It still didn't work. 

>>> I would never use a free Email service to send -- its worth exactly
>>> what you pay for!
> When the service is offered as being supposedly 'free', you, by providing your 
> data, is the product.
>
>
>> Well, I been wanting to switch but can't find one I know I will like
>> long term.  I don't want to switch then not like it and have to switch
>> again.  Then maybe repeat that a few times.  I was thinking about
>> switching to startmail but they started this captcha stuff which makes
>> their website unusable for me.  Every time I clicked on something,
>> captcha.  Click on something else, captcha.  I stopped using startpage
>> completely after reaching out to them and basically, getting little to
>> no real help.  Shame really.  Seemed like a good option. 
> Mass-market services cannot afford providing individual user support.  At best 
> they may provide some FAQs.  Some may host a forum of sorts for users to offer 
> support to other users.  Oh, ... hold on!  LOL!
>
>
>> If you know a email service that isn't to expensive but is secure, not
>> secure enough to block me from doing things I need to do tho, I'm open
>> to ideas.  I'd like something that is outside the USA if possible.  You
>> know, one of those countries that tells folks to go pound sand when they
>> want to snoop around.  ;-)
> The snooping mostly takes place across borders.  Your government's 3-letter 
> agencies will ask whichever other hosting country's agencies to share with 
> them any information they have about you and reciprocate accordingly.  There 
> is no privacy on the Internet.
>
> That said, if you're interested in limiting opportunistic snooping, something 
> like this may help:
>
> https://proton.me/mail


I'll have to check into that more.  I'm not sure I could send my system
emails through that tho.  It sounds like it requires encryption end to
end.  I think. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Michael]

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On Thursday 26 September 2024 11:44:08 BST Dale wrote:
> Michael wrote:
> > On Thursday 26 September 2024 08:28:47 BST Dale wrote:
> >> ssmtp stopped working with a conventional password when Google
> >> introduced 2-
> > 
> > Step-Verification for their GMail account.  Consequently, to be able to
> > continue using ssmtp you need to set up an 'App Password' and use the 16-
> > 
> > character password generated by Google to login:
> >  https://support.google.com/mail/answer/185833
> > 
> > It used to be the case you could set up an 'App Password' without having
> > to
> > provide them with your phone number and other 'none-of-their-business'
> > personal information, but for some years now they have been asking for
> > more
> > information to allow you to complete setting up 'App Password' for your
> > Google account(s) and device(s).
> 
> I also tried the 16 character password method too.  It still didn't work. 

In this case the ssmtp package has outlived its usefulness.  It was always 
limited in what characters it would accept and parse as a password.  It's 
abandonware since 2019 - debian recommends to use msmtp:

https://wiki.debian.org/sSMTP

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Re: [gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[covici]

On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 03:28:47 -0400,
Dale wrote:
> 
> covici@ccs.covici.com wrote:
> > On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 16:43:09 -0400,
> > Dale wrote:
> >> Dale wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I posted the other day about my email setup.  Then it hit me, while I
> >>> copied the settings over, I never tested it.  So, I tested it.  Sure
> >>> enough, no email sent.  Got error messages tho.  I mostly, maybe only,
> >>> use this for SMART drive info.  If it detects failure or problems, it
> >>> emails me.  Well, it's supposed to anyway.  So, I test by restarting
> >>> smartd and it set to send a test email. 
> >>>
> >>> I'm almost certain this started when Google changed the security setup a
> >>> few years back.  I've googled and tried the settings others use
> >>> including the passkey thingy.  None of it works.  This is the output of
> >>> messages for both smartd and smtp.  Check out my fancy egrep.  :-D 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> root@Gentoo-1 / # tail -n 50 -f /var/log/messages | egrep 'smartd|sSMTP'
> >>> Sep  2 21:23:08 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Monitoring 8 ATA/SATA, 0
> >>> SCSI/SAS and 1 NVMe devices
> >>> Sep  2 21:23:08 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Executing test of <mail> to root ...
> >>> Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20757]: Unable to connect to
> >>> "smtp.gmail.com" port 587.
> >>> Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20757]: Cannot open smtp.gmail.com:587
> >>> Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Test of <mail> to root produced
> >>> unexpected output (65 bytes) to STDOUT/STDERR:
> >>> Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: mail: cannot send message:
> >>> Process exited with a non-zero status
> >>> Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Test of <mail> to root: failed
> >>> (32-bit/8-bit exit status: 256/1)
> >>> Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Executing test of <mail> to root ...
> >>> Sep  2 21:27:40 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20885]: Unable to connect to
> >>> "smtp.gmail.com" port 587.
> >>> Sep  2 21:27:40 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20885]: Cannot open smtp.gmail.com:587
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This is a edited version of some config files.  Obvious things like
> >>> passwords and such changed. 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> root@Gentoo-1 / # cat /etc/ssmtp/revaliases
> >>>
> >>> root:rdalek<annoy the bots>1967@gmail.com:smtp.gmail.com:587
> >>> dalerdalek<annoy the bots>1967@gmail.com:587
> >>> other_user:rdalek<annoy the bots>1967@gmail.com:587
> >>> root@Gentoo-1 / #
> >>>
> >>> root@Gentoo-1 / # grep -v '^#' /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf
> >>> root=postmaster
> >>> root=rdalek1967@gmail.com  #Change to your preferred email address
> >>> mailhub=smtp.gmail.com:587  #Could also use port 587 for STARTTLS Old 465
> >>> rewriteDomain=Gentoo-1  #Something to denote your machine's name
> >>> FromLineOverride=YES
> >>> UseSTARTTLS=YES
> >>> #UseTLS=YES
> >>> AuthUser=rdalek<annoy the bots>1967@gmail.com
> >>> AuthPass=<not real either>  #Special characters seem to barf with ssmtp
> >>> #AuthPass=abcdefghijklmnop
> >>> mailhub=mail
> >>> # hostname=_HOSTNAME_
> >>> hostname=Gentoo-1
> >>> root@Gentoo-1 / #
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I think that is the only config files.  If not, I may have missed one
> >>> and that is the problem.  Some things that are commented out are things
> >>> I tried with no success.  If someone has a working setup and would like
> >>> to share a similar edited version of their files, that would be awesome. 
> >>>
> >>> Any ideas?  Does Google just outright block this now?  If so, I have
> >>> another good reason to get rid of gmail.  :-) 
> >>>
> >>> Dale
> >>>
> >>> :-)  :-)
> >>>
> >>
> >> No one here has their system set up to use Gmail for system emails??? 
> >> Surely there is one person who can share a working config.  I just wish
> >> Google would stop changing things and screwing up our emails. 
> >>
> > I would never use a free Email service to send -- its worth exactly
> > what you pay for!
> >
> 
> Well, I been wanting to switch but can't find one I know I will like
> long term.  I don't want to switch then not like it and have to switch
> again.  Then maybe repeat that a few times.  I was thinking about
> switching to startmail but they started this captcha stuff which makes
> their website unusable for me.  Every time I clicked on something,
> captcha.  Click on something else, captcha.  I stopped using startpage
> completely after reaching out to them and basically, getting little to
> no real help.  Shame really.  Seemed like a good option. 
> 
> If you know a email service that isn't to expensive but is secure, not
> secure enough to block me from doing things I need to do tho, I'm open
> to ideas.  I'd like something that is outside the USA if possible.  You
> know, one of those countries that tells folks to go pound sand when they
> want to snoop around.  ;-)  Oh, not interested in setting up my own
> either.  I got enough interesting computer problems already.  ;-) 
> 
I was looking at fastmail but which ever you go with, you should setup
your own domain and that way if you don't like your provider you can
change without changing your email address.

[gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Grant Edwards]

On 2024-09-26, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It used to be the case you could set up an 'App Password' without having to 
>> provide them with your phone number and other 'none-of-their-business' 
>> personal information, but for some years now they have been asking for more 
>> information to allow you to complete setting up 'App Password' for your Google 
>> account(s) and device(s).
>>
>
> I also tried the 16 character password method too. It still didn't work.

For what value of "didn't work"?

I don't use it regularly, but I set it up several years ago and it was
working fine the last time I tried it (a couple months ago).

--
Grant

[gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Grant Edwards]

On 2024-09-26, covici@ccs.covici.com <covici@ccs.covici.com> wrote:
>
> I was looking at fastmail but which ever you go with, you should setup
> your own domain and that way if you don't like your provider you can
> change without changing your email address.

I"ve decided to do that several times over the past couple decades.
Each time I started out trying to pick a domain (that was avaialable)
which I wanted to live with for the rest of my life. I could never get
past that step.

--
Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Frank Steinmetzger]

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Am Thu, Sep 26, 2024 at 05:44:08AM -0500 schrieb Dale:

> > That said, if you're interested in limiting opportunistic snooping, something 
> > like this may help:
> >
> > https://proton.me/mail
> 
> 
> I'll have to check into that more.  I'm not sure I could send my system
> emails through that tho.  It sounds like it requires encryption end to
> end.  I think. 
> 
> Dale

I would actually try and set up local mail delivery straight to /var/spool 
without the detour over a network. We’ve had this topic already, methinks.
You can then add the folder to Thunderbird/Seamonkey, since spool usually is 
mbox format, which is also the default in TB.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Dale]

Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2024-09-26, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It used to be the case you could set up an 'App Password' without having to 
>>> provide them with your phone number and other 'none-of-their-business' 
>>> personal information, but for some years now they have been asking for more 
>>> information to allow you to complete setting up 'App Password' for your Google 
>>> account(s) and device(s).
>>>
>> I also tried the 16 character password method too. It still didn't work.
> For what value of "didn't work"?
>
> I don't use it regularly, but I set it up several years ago and it was
> working fine the last time I tried it (a couple months ago).
>
> --
> Grant
>
>
> .
>


It did the same thing as using the regular password. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Dale]

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Michael wrote:
> On Thursday 26 September 2024 11:44:08 BST Dale wrote:
>> Michael wrote:
>>> On Thursday 26 September 2024 08:28:47 BST Dale wrote:
>>>> ssmtp stopped working with a conventional password when Google
>>>> introduced 2-
>>> Step-Verification for their GMail account.  Consequently, to be able to
>>> continue using ssmtp you need to set up an 'App Password' and use the 16-
>>>
>>> character password generated by Google to login:
>>>  https://support.google.com/mail/answer/185833
>>>
>>> It used to be the case you could set up an 'App Password' without having
>>> to
>>> provide them with your phone number and other 'none-of-their-business'
>>> personal information, but for some years now they have been asking for
>>> more
>>> information to allow you to complete setting up 'App Password' for your
>>> Google account(s) and device(s).
>> I also tried the 16 character password method too.  It still didn't work. 
> In this case the ssmtp package has outlived its usefulness.  It was always 
> limited in what characters it would accept and parse as a password.  It's 
> abandonware since 2019 - debian recommends to use msmtp:
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/sSMTP


I removed ssmtp and installed msmtp.  I think I got the config set up
but it is different so I may not have it right.  It doesn't work tho. 
From messages.


Sep 26 10:03:33 Gentoo-1 smartd[27728]: Executing test of <mail> to root ...
Sep 26 10:05:40 Gentoo-1 msmtp[30861]: host=smtp.gmail.com tls=on
auth=off from=rdalek1967<at>gmail.com recipients=root errormsg='cannot
connect to smtp.gmail.com, port 587: Connection timed out'
exitcode=EX_TEMPFAIL
Sep 26 10:05:40 Gentoo-1 smartd[27073]: Test of <mail> to root produced
unexpected output (65 bytes) to STDOUT/STDERR:
Sep 26 10:05:40 Gentoo-1 smartd[27073]: mail: cannot send message:
Process exited with a non-zero status
Sep 26 10:05:40 Gentoo-1 smartd[27073]: Test of <mail> to root: failed
(32-bit/8-bit exit status: 256/1)


Config file:


account default

# The SMTP smarthost
#host mail.oursite.example
host smtp.gmail.com
# Use TLS on port 465. On this port, TLS starts without STARTTLS.
#port 465
port 587
tls on
# tls_starttls off
tls_starttls on
#password sorry
password sorry
# Construct envelope-from addresses of the form "user@oursite.example"
#from %U@oursite.example
from rdalek1967<at>gmail.com
# Do not allow programs to override this envelope-from address via -f
allow_from_override off
# Always set a From header that matches the envelope-from address
set_from_header on

# Syslog logging with facility LOG_MAIL instead of the default LOG_USER
syslog LOG_MAIL


What did I do wrong?  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Matt Connell]

>On Wed, 2024-09-25 at 15:43 -0500, Dale wrote:
> No one here has their system set up to use Gmail for system
> emails??? 

I wouldn't consider gmail an option for any emails, system or
otherwise.

> On Thu, 2024-09-26 at 02:28 -0500, Dale wrote:
> If you know a email service that isn't to expensive but is secure,
> not secure enough to block me from doing things I need to do tho, I'm
> open to ideas.  I'd like something that is outside the USA if
> possible.

I can happily vouch for Mailfence.  I've been a customer for ~7 years
now.  They are located in Belgium (strong privacy laws), and they have
great customer support, with real people who understand things like
DKIM. Plus, I can bring my own domain!  I pay roughly $3.50 USD per
month.  They have a free tier plan to try it out and see if it will
work out for you.

[gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Grant Edwards]

On 2024-09-26, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> I removed ssmtp and installed msmtp. I think I got the config set up
> but it is different so I may not have it right. It doesn't work tho.
> From messages.
>
>
> Sep 26 10:03:33 Gentoo-1 smartd[27728]: Executing test of <mail> to root ...
> Sep 26 10:05:40 Gentoo-1 msmtp[30861]: host=smtp.gmail.com tls=on
> auth=off from=rdalek1967<at>gmail.com recipients=root errormsg='cannot
> connect to smtp.gmail.com, port 587: Connection timed out'
> exitcode=EX_TEMPFAIL

It looks like your network is broken. Try this:

    $ telnet smtp.gmail.com 587
    Trying 209.85.145.109...
    Connected to smtp.gmail.com.
    Escape character is '^]'.
    220 smtp.gmail.com ESMTP 8926c6da1cb9f-4d888860978sm58959173.69 - gsmtp

Note: Port 587 is for plaintext connection and then shifting into TLS
mode with the starttls command.  When configuring msmtp:

    port 587
    tls on
    tls-starttls on
or
    port 465
    tls on
    tls-starttls off

Port 465 starts using TLS immediately

    $ openssl s_client -connect smtp.gmail.com:465
    CONNECTED(00000003)
    depth=2 C = US, O = Google Trust Services LLC, CN = GTS Root R1
    verify return:1
    depth=1 C = US, O = Google Trust Services, CN = WR2
    verify return:1
    depth=0 CN = smtp.gmail.com
    verify return:1
    ---
    Certificate chain
     0 s:CN = smtp.gmail.com
       i:C = US, O = Google Trust Services, CN = WR2
       a:PKEY: id-ecPublicKey, 256 (bit); sigalg: RSA-SHA256
       v:NotBefore: Aug 26 07:12:09 2024 GMT; NotAfter: Nov 18 07:12:08 2024 GMT
    [...]       
    ---
    read R BLOCK
    220 smtp.gmail.com ESMTP e9e14a558f8ab-3a344d9250esm496675ab.41 - gsmtp
    
    

[gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Grant Edwards]

On 2024-09-26, Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2024-09-26, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sep 26 10:03:33 Gentoo-1 smartd[27728]: Executing test of <mail> to root ...
>> Sep 26 10:05:40 Gentoo-1 msmtp[30861]: host=smtp.gmail.com tls=on
>> auth=off from=rdalek1967<at>gmail.com recipients=root errormsg='cannot
>> connect to smtp.gmail.com, port 587: Connection timed out'
>> exitcode=EX_TEMPFAIL
>
> It looks like your network is broken. Try this:
>
>     $ telnet smtp.gmail.com 587
>     Trying 209.85.145.109...
>     Connected to smtp.gmail.com.
>     Escape character is '^]'.
>     220 smtp.gmail.com ESMTP 8926c6da1cb9f-4d888860978sm58959173.69 - gsmtp

BTW, some ISPs block connections to SMTP ports on hosts other than
their own mail servers.  [Which is a particularly annoying type of
"broken".]

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Dale]

Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2024-09-26, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I removed ssmtp and installed msmtp. I think I got the config set up
>> but it is different so I may not have it right. It doesn't work tho.
>> From messages.
>>
>>
>> Sep 26 10:03:33 Gentoo-1 smartd[27728]: Executing test of <mail> to root ...
>> Sep 26 10:05:40 Gentoo-1 msmtp[30861]: host=smtp.gmail.com tls=on
>> auth=off from=rdalek1967<at>gmail.com recipients=root errormsg='cannot
>> connect to smtp.gmail.com, port 587: Connection timed out'
>> exitcode=EX_TEMPFAIL
> It looks like your network is broken. Try this:
>
>     $ telnet smtp.gmail.com 587
>     Trying 209.85.145.109...
>     Connected to smtp.gmail.com.
>     Escape character is '^]'.
>     220 smtp.gmail.com ESMTP 8926c6da1cb9f-4d888860978sm58959173.69 - gsmtp
>
> Note: Port 587 is for plaintext connection and then shifting into TLS
> mode with the starttls command.  When configuring msmtp:
>
>     port 587
>     tls on
>     tls-starttls on
> or
>     port 465
>     tls on
>     tls-starttls off
>
> Port 465 starts using TLS immediately
>
>     $ openssl s_client -connect smtp.gmail.com:465
>     CONNECTED(00000003)
>     depth=2 C = US, O = Google Trust Services LLC, CN = GTS Root R1
>     verify return:1
>     depth=1 C = US, O = Google Trust Services, CN = WR2
>     verify return:1
>     depth=0 CN = smtp.gmail.com
>     verify return:1
>     ---
>     Certificate chain
>      0 s:CN = smtp.gmail.com
>        i:C = US, O = Google Trust Services, CN = WR2
>        a:PKEY: id-ecPublicKey, 256 (bit); sigalg: RSA-SHA256
>        v:NotBefore: Aug 26 07:12:09 2024 GMT; NotAfter: Nov 18 07:12:08 2024 GMT
>     [...]       
>     ---
>     read R BLOCK
>     220 smtp.gmail.com ESMTP e9e14a558f8ab-3a344d9250esm496675ab.41 - gsmtp
>     
>     
>
>
>


Which package do I need for that telnet?  I see a few packages with that
name. 

I am connected through a VPN but Seamonkey works fine.  I can check and
send email there, hence this thread.  I figure I got something set up
wrong after a Gmail change.  Sort of stupid to make something so secure
you can't use it.  It's like buying a computer and saying the only way
to secure it is to keep it turned off.  :/ 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

[gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Grant Edwards]

On 2024-09-26, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> It looks like your network is broken. Try this:
>>
>>     $ telnet smtp.gmail.com 587
>>     Trying 209.85.145.109...
>>     Connected to smtp.gmail.com.
>>     Escape character is '^]'.
>>     220 smtp.gmail.com ESMTP 8926c6da1cb9f-4d888860978sm58959173.69 - gsmtp
>>
>> Note: Port 587 is for plaintext connection and then shifting into TLS
>> mode with the starttls command.  When configuring msmtp:
>>
>>     port 587
>>     tls on
>>     tls-starttls on
>> or
>>     port 465
>>     tls on
>>     tls-starttls off
>>
>> Port 465 starts using TLS immediately
>>
>> [...]

> Which package do I need for that telnet?  I see a few packages with that
> name. 

Any of them should work.  I use net-misc/netkit-telnetd.  It will also
install a telnet daemon, but it won't enbale it

> I am connected through a VPN but Seamonkey works fine.  I can check and
> send email there,

Do you mean can send email via Gmail's SMTP server using Seamonkey?

How are the SMTP server settings configured in Seamonkey?

Is it using Oauth2 or an app password?

> hence this thread.  I figure I got something set up wrong after a
> Gmail change.  Sort of stupid to make something so secure you can't
> use it.  It's like buying a computer and saying the only way to
> secure it is to keep it turned off.  :/ 

Well, that last part is true, as long as you keep it in a locked room.

I just did a quick test, and sending via smtp.gmail.com using an app
password worked fine from mutt.  I don't have msmtp set up at the
moment.

[gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Grant Edwards]

On 2024-09-26, Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:

> I just did a quick test, and sending via smtp.gmail.com using an app
> password worked fine from mutt.  I don't have msmtp set up at the
> moment.

Ijust set up msmtp and it works too. Below is the msmtp config,

 * If you want, replace "account gmail" with "account default", then
   you don't have to supply the "-a gmail" option to msmtp.

 * replace (in two places) username@gmail.com with your email address.

 * replace XXXX XXXX XXXX XXXX with your app password.

-----------------------------------8<-------------------------------------
syslog LOG_MAIL

account	gmail
maildomain gmail.org
syslog on
from gmailusername@gmail.com
host smtp.gmail.com
port 465
tls on
tls_certcheck off
tls_starttls off
auth on
user gmailusername@gmail.com
password "XXXX XXXX XXXX XXXX"
-----------------------------------8<-------------------------------------

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Dale]

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Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2024-09-26, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Grant Edwards wrote:
>>
>>> It looks like your network is broken. Try this:
>>>
>>>     $ telnet smtp.gmail.com 587
>>>     Trying 209.85.145.109...
>>>     Connected to smtp.gmail.com.
>>>     Escape character is '^]'.
>>>     220 smtp.gmail.com ESMTP 8926c6da1cb9f-4d888860978sm58959173.69 - gsmtp
>>>
>>> Note: Port 587 is for plaintext connection and then shifting into TLS
>>> mode with the starttls command.  When configuring msmtp:
>>>
>>>     port 587
>>>     tls on
>>>     tls-starttls on
>>> or
>>>     port 465
>>>     tls on
>>>     tls-starttls off
>>>
>>> Port 465 starts using TLS immediately
>>>
>>> [...]
>> Which package do I need for that telnet?  I see a few packages with that
>> name. 
> Any of them should work.  I use net-misc/netkit-telnetd.  It will also
> install a telnet daemon, but it won't enbale it

I have -1 in make.conf so whatever I install will be depcleaned later. 
Anyway, I installed the one you mentioned and got this. 


root@Gentoo-1 / # telnet smtp.gmail.com 587
Trying 142.251.116.108...
Trying 2607:f8b0:4023:1000::6c...
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable
root@Gentoo-1 / #


Can't connect.  Well, that explains a lot.  It can't reach anything to
log into.  It looks like it is trying both IPv4 and v6.  So, I used
ping.  It works there. 


root@Gentoo-1 / # ping smtp.gmail.com
PING smtp.gmail.com (142.250.115.108) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from rq-in-f108.1e100.net (142.250.115.108): icmp_seq=1 ttl=53
time=32.1 ms
64 bytes from rq-in-f108.1e100.net (142.250.115.108): icmp_seq=2 ttl=53
time=45.0 ms
64 bytes from rq-in-f108.1e100.net (142.250.115.108): icmp_seq=3 ttl=53
time=39.3 ms
^C
--- smtp.gmail.com ping statistics ---
3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 1998ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 32.062/38.776/45.017/5.299 ms
root@Gentoo-1 / # ping 142.251.116.108
PING 142.251.116.108 (142.251.116.108) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 142.251.116.108: icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=30.4 ms
64 bytes from 142.251.116.108: icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 time=56.0 ms
64 bytes from 142.251.116.108: icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 time=30.6 ms
^C
--- 142.251.116.108 ping statistics ---
3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2000ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 30.351/38.988/56.049/12.063 ms
root@Gentoo-1 / #


What silly boo boo did I make this time???? 


>> I am connected through a VPN but Seamonkey works fine.  I can check and
>> send email there,
> Do you mean can send email via Gmail's SMTP server using Seamonkey?
>
> How are the SMTP server settings configured in Seamonkey?
>
> Is it using Oauth2 or an app password?

I checked,  It is using Oauth2.  I had to change it a good while back
but I think SMART could still send emails for a while after that. 
Seamonkey wouldn't fetch or send emails tho until I changed to the Oauth
thing.  Also, it stopped autofetching emails with that too.  I used to
have it set to check for new messages like every 20 minutes.  I have to
manually check since the change.  Annoying as heck. 

The first time I used the app password was when I was following guides
on how to set up email for SMART when I realized it wasn't working on my
new rig.  I don't use it on anything else.  I didn't realize it wasn't
working on the old rig either. 


>> hence this thread.  I figure I got something set up wrong after a
>> Gmail change.  Sort of stupid to make something so secure you can't
>> use it.  It's like buying a computer and saying the only way to
>> secure it is to keep it turned off.  :/ 
> Well, that last part is true, as long as you keep it in a locked room.
>
> I just did a quick test, and sending via smtp.gmail.com using an app
> password worked fine from mutt.  I don't have msmtp set up at the
> moment.
>

That is true but why buy one if you can't run it?  LOL  This is yet
another reason I want to switch from Gmail.  They nothing but nosy
anyway.  I think it is common knowledge that they scan all emails and
use the info for various things, including ads, which I block by the way. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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[gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Grant Edwards]

On 2024-09-26, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> root@Gentoo-1 / # telnet smtp.gmail.com 587
> Trying 142.251.116.108...
> Trying 2607:f8b0:4023:1000::6c...
> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable
> root@Gentoo-1 / #
>
> Can't connect. Well, that explains a lot. It can't reach anything to
> log into. It looks like it is trying both IPv4 and v6. So, I used
> ping. It works there.
>
> root@Gentoo-1 / # ping smtp.gmail.com
> PING smtp.gmail.com (142.250.115.108) 56(84) bytes of data.
> 64 bytes from rq-in-f108.1e100.net (142.250.115.108): icmp_seq=1 ttl=53

Those commands are using two different IP addresses.

It's not uncommon that DNS resolvers for heavily used services rotate
through a pool of addresses, but for testing purposes you should pick
a single IP address.

>>> I am connected through a VPN but Seamonkey works fine. I can check and
>>> send email there,
>> Do you mean can send email via Gmail's SMTP server using Seamonkey?
>>
>> How are the SMTP server settings configured in Seamonkey?
>>
>> Is it using Oauth2 or an app password?
>
> I checked, It is using Oauth2. I had to change it a good while back
> but I think SMART could still send emails for a while after that.

Is it using the same port number as msmtp?

>> I just did a quick test, and sending via smtp.gmail.com using an app
>> password worked fine from mutt.  I don't have msmtp set up at the
>> moment.
>
> That is true but why buy one if you can't run it? LOL This is yet
> another reason I want to switch from Gmail. They nothing but nosy
> anyway. I think it is common knowledge that they scan all emails and
> use the info for various things, including ads, which I block by the
> way.

There's nothing wrong with Gmail. The app password feature works
exactly as documented, and is definitely the right way to provide
authentication for "dumb" programs that don't know how to do OAUTH2.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Dale]

Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2024-09-26, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> root@Gentoo-1 / # telnet smtp.gmail.com 587
>> Trying 142.251.116.108...
>> Trying 2607:f8b0:4023:1000::6c...
>> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable
>> root@Gentoo-1 / #
>>
>> Can't connect. Well, that explains a lot. It can't reach anything to
>> log into. It looks like it is trying both IPv4 and v6. So, I used
>> ping. It works there.
>>
>> root@Gentoo-1 / # ping smtp.gmail.com
>> PING smtp.gmail.com (142.250.115.108) 56(84) bytes of data.
>> 64 bytes from rq-in-f108.1e100.net (142.250.115.108): icmp_seq=1 ttl=53
> Those commands are using two different IP addresses.
>
> It's not uncommon that DNS resolvers for heavily used services rotate
> through a pool of addresses, but for testing purposes you should pick
> a single IP address.
>
>>>> I am connected through a VPN but Seamonkey works fine. I can check and
>>>> send email there,
>>> Do you mean can send email via Gmail's SMTP server using Seamonkey?
>>>
>>> How are the SMTP server settings configured in Seamonkey?
>>>
>>> Is it using Oauth2 or an app password?
>> I checked, It is using Oauth2. I had to change it a good while back
>> but I think SMART could still send emails for a while after that.
> Is it using the same port number as msmtp?
>

It says port 465 but it is using Oauth2 if that matters.  I'll admit,
the last time I got this working, I followed a guide and it just
worked.  Once it worked, I left it alone.  I was scared that if I
touched it, it would stop working.  LOL 

I changed the config to port 465 and it still failed with this. 


Sep 26 19:04:26 Gentoo-1 smartd[18737]: Executing test of <mail> to root ...
Sep 26 19:04:36 Gentoo-1 msmtp[18815]: host=smtp.gmail.com tls=on
auth=off from=rdalek1967<at>gmail.com recipients=root errormsg='the
server sent an empty reply' exitcode=EX_PROTOCOL
Sep 26 19:04:36 Gentoo-1 smartd[18737]: Test of <mail> to root produced
unexpected output (65 bytes) to STDOUT/STDERR:
Sep 26 19:04:36 Gentoo-1 smartd[18737]: mail: cannot send message:
Process exited with a non-zero status
Sep 26 19:04:36 Gentoo-1 smartd[18737]: Test of <mail> to root: failed
(32-bit/8-bit exit status: 256/1)


It repeated that several times before stopping. 


>>> I just did a quick test, and sending via smtp.gmail.com using an app
>>> password worked fine from mutt.  I don't have msmtp set up at the
>>> moment.
>> That is true but why buy one if you can't run it? LOL This is yet
>> another reason I want to switch from Gmail. They nothing but nosy
>> anyway. I think it is common knowledge that they scan all emails and
>> use the info for various things, including ads, which I block by the
>> way.
> There's nothing wrong with Gmail. The app password feature works
> exactly as documented, and is definitely the right way to provide
> authentication for "dumb" programs that don't know how to do OAUTH2.
>
>
>

I still don't like all the snooping they do.  Basically, I just don't
trust Google, with a lot of things. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Dale]

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Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2024-09-26, Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I just did a quick test, and sending via smtp.gmail.com using an app
>> password worked fine from mutt.  I don't have msmtp set up at the
>> moment.
> Ijust set up msmtp and it works too. Below is the msmtp config,
>
>  * If you want, replace "account gmail" with "account default", then
>    you don't have to supply the "-a gmail" option to msmtp.
>
>  * replace (in two places) username@gmail.com with your email address.
>
>  * replace XXXX XXXX XXXX XXXX with your app password.
>
> -----------------------------------8<-------------------------------------
> syslog LOG_MAIL
>
> account	gmail
> maildomain gmail.org
> syslog on
> from gmailusername@gmail.com
> host smtp.gmail.com
> port 465
> tls on
> tls_certcheck off
> tls_starttls off
> auth on
> user gmailusername@gmail.com
> password "XXXX XXXX XXXX XXXX"
> -----------------------------------8<-------------------------------------
>
>
>


Sorry.  Somehow I missed this reply.  I copy and pasted yours and
changed the needed bits.  I put spaces in the password like you showed. 
I assume it needs those.  I also changed gmail to default for account. 
When I start smartd, it adds this to messages. 


Sep 26 19:13:47 Gentoo-1 smartd[21480]: Executing test of <mail> to root ...
Sep 26 19:13:47 Gentoo-1 smartd[21480]: Test of <mail> to root produced
unexpected output (65 bytes) to STDOUT/STDERR:
Sep 26 19:13:47 Gentoo-1 smartd[21480]: mail: cannot send message:
Process exited with a non-zero status
Sep 26 19:13:47 Gentoo-1 smartd[21480]: Test of <mail> to root: failed
(32-bit/8-bit exit status: 256/1)


Based on what you posted that works for you, I think there may be a
problem elsewhere.  Maybe I have something somewhere else set wrong and
don't know it, maybe even a silly typo.  If that config you posted works
for you, I see no reason it shouldn't work here unless you pay for
something extra.  Other than that, I suspect smtp is set up right but
something else isn't.  Should we look elsewhere?  Any idea where?  Could
it be smart itself that is set up wrong?  Sending wrong thing to smtp? 

Thanks for the help. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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[gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Grant Edwards]

On 2024-09-27, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> It says port 465 but it is using Oauth2 if that matters.

It doesn't.

> I'll admit, the last time I got this working, I followed a guide and
> it just worked.  Once it worked, I left it alone.  I was scared that
> if I touched it, it would stop working.  LOL 
>
> I changed the config to port 465 and it still failed with this. 
>
>
> Sep 26 19:04:26 Gentoo-1 smartd[18737]: Executing test of <mail> to root ...
> Sep 26 19:04:36 Gentoo-1 msmtp[18815]: host=smtp.gmail.com tls=on
> auth=off from=rdalek1967<at>gmail.com recipients=root errormsg='the
> server sent an empty reply' exitcode=EX_PROTOCOL

According to that message, the msmtp auth option is off.  It needs to
be on.

Look at the working configuraiton I posted.

Use that configuration with your email address and app password.

It also looks like smartd is trying to send mail to the recipient
"root". That's not a valid destination when sending via most smtp
servers.  You need to be sending to a recipient that looks like
"user@domain".

What port number are you trying to use?

Please re-read what I wrote about port numbers and starttls.  If
you're using port 465, you need to turn tls_starttls OFF.  If you're
using port 587, tls_starttls needs to be ON. That's the default, but I
recommend turning it on explicitly.

My advice: don't use smartd to try to get msmtp working.  Use
something easier to work with. The usual way to do it is using
something like mailx.  The Arch wiki page is an excellent resource:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Msmtp

It shows how to test msmtp using mailx.

It also addresses the error you're seeing explicitly:

   8.2 Server sent empty reply

   If you get a "server sent empty reply" error, this probably means
   the mail server does not support STARTTLS over port 587, but
   requires TLS over port 465.

Note that some systems will ignore a message without a Message-Id:
header, so the example from the Arch page that cats a message from a
file to msmtp might not work reliably.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Dale]

Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2024-09-27, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It says port 465 but it is using Oauth2 if that matters.
> It doesn't.
>
>> I'll admit, the last time I got this working, I followed a guide and
>> it just worked.  Once it worked, I left it alone.  I was scared that
>> if I touched it, it would stop working.  LOL 
>>
>> I changed the config to port 465 and it still failed with this. 
>>
>>
>> Sep 26 19:04:26 Gentoo-1 smartd[18737]: Executing test of <mail> to root ...
>> Sep 26 19:04:36 Gentoo-1 msmtp[18815]: host=smtp.gmail.com tls=on
>> auth=off from=rdalek1967<at>gmail.com recipients=root errormsg='the
>> server sent an empty reply' exitcode=EX_PROTOCOL
> According to that message, the msmtp auth option is off.  It needs to
> be on.
>
> Look at the working configuraiton I posted.
>
> Use that configuration with your email address and app password.
>
> It also looks like smartd is trying to send mail to the recipient
> "root". That's not a valid destination when sending via most smtp
> servers.  You need to be sending to a recipient that looks like
> "user@domain".
>
> What port number are you trying to use?
>
> Please re-read what I wrote about port numbers and starttls.  If
> you're using port 465, you need to turn tls_starttls OFF.  If you're
> using port 587, tls_starttls needs to be ON. That's the default, but I
> recommend turning it on explicitly.
>
> My advice: don't use smartd to try to get msmtp working.  Use
> something easier to work with. The usual way to do it is using
> something like mailx.  The Arch wiki page is an excellent resource:
>
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Msmtp
>
> It shows how to test msmtp using mailx.
>
> It also addresses the error you're seeing explicitly:
>
>    8.2 Server sent empty reply
>
>    If you get a "server sent empty reply" error, this probably means
>    the mail server does not support STARTTLS over port 587, but
>    requires TLS over port 465.
>
> Note that some systems will ignore a message without a Message-Id:
> header, so the example from the Arch page that cats a message from a
> file to msmtp might not work reliably.
>
>
>
>


This is what I copied from yours, with obvious bits changed.  I'll put
"noneya" in those, so you know that isn't the real info. 


syslog LOG_MAIL

account    default
maildomain gmail.org
syslog on
from rdalek1967<noneya>gmail.com
host smtp.gmail.com
port 465
tls on
tls_certcheck off
tls_starttls off
auth on
user rdalek1967@gmail.com
password "noneya"  # That is the 16 character thing with spaces in it. 
I included quotes but I think you had them there too. 


I'm by no means a expert on this but I see 'auth on' in there.  I see
what you talking about in the error to tho.  As I mentioned in other
reply, I think something else is amiss somewhere.  If that config works
with gmail for you, it should work here. 

On the root thing, I have a alias set up in some file that tells it that
root is my gmail address.  It worked before but maybe not now.  File is
here:  /etc/mail/aliases  It has this info about root being my gmail
address. 


# Well-known aliases -- these should be filled in!
root: rdalek1967@gmail.com


My understanding, anything sent to root instead goes to my gmail
account.  I could be wrong on that.  o_O 

Is that what you have in yours?  If it is, it should work here.  If not,
my copy and paste is broken.  LOL  That aliases file make sense? 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Michael]

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On Thursday 26 September 2024 22:11:20 BST Dale wrote:

> root@Gentoo-1 / # telnet smtp.gmail.com 587
> Trying 142.251.116.108...
> Trying 2607:f8b0:4023:1000::6c...
> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable
> root@Gentoo-1 / #
> 
> 
> Can't connect.  Well, that explains a lot.  It can't reach anything to
> log into.  It looks like it is trying both IPv4 and v6.  So, I used
> ping.  It works there. 

STOP RIGHT THERE!

You may not have a mail application configuration problem after all (ssmtp/
msmtp), but you definitely have a network/server connectivity problem.  You 
need to sort out the network connection first, before you look at your smtp 
client configuration.


> root@Gentoo-1 / # ping smtp.gmail.com
> PING smtp.gmail.com (142.250.115.108) 56(84) bytes of data.
> 64 bytes from rq-in-f108.1e100.net (142.250.115.108): icmp_seq=1 ttl=53
> time=32.1 ms
> 64 bytes from rq-in-f108.1e100.net (142.250.115.108): icmp_seq=2 ttl=53
> time=45.0 ms
> 64 bytes from rq-in-f108.1e100.net (142.250.115.108): icmp_seq=3 ttl=53
> time=39.3 ms
> ^C
> --- smtp.gmail.com ping statistics ---
> 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 1998ms
> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 32.062/38.776/45.017/5.299 ms
> root@Gentoo-1 / # ping 142.251.116.108
> PING 142.251.116.108 (142.251.116.108) 56(84) bytes of data.
> 64 bytes from 142.251.116.108: icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=30.4 ms
> 64 bytes from 142.251.116.108: icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 time=56.0 ms
> 64 bytes from 142.251.116.108: icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 time=30.6 ms
> ^C
> --- 142.251.116.108 ping statistics ---
> 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2000ms
> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 30.351/38.988/56.049/12.063 ms
> root@Gentoo-1 / #

So you can access the server, but not connect to the port.

Can you connect to ports 25, or 465?

Can you connect to 'smtp-relay.gmail.com' instead?

If you cannot see an open port, then either your network is misconfigured, or 
you've annoyed Google enough to block your access to their smtp service.


> What silly boo boo did I make this time???? 
> 
> >> I am connected through a VPN but Seamonkey works fine.  I can check and
> >> send email there,

Ah!  I have found Google logs your IP address and when this changes they may 
choose to block your connection to their service.  Often it sends you a 
message in your backup email address/phone asking you to confirm if the device 
and new IP address you are trying to connect from is you and yours.

Throwing a VPN in the works may trigger the above security (re)action, when 
your client is using an 'App Password' token, as opposed to the full OAUTH2 
exchange.


> That is true but why buy one if you can't run it?  LOL  This is yet
> another reason I want to switch from Gmail.  They nothing but nosy
> anyway.  I think it is common knowledge that they scan all emails and
> use the info for various things, including ads, which I block by the way. 

Google's modus operandi is arguably predicated on recording your data, your 
location, your movements, your purchases, your contacts, your written/spoken 
word, your interests, your thoughts, etc.  Selling advertisements is a 
monetisation mechanism to facilitate the high cost of their operation.  They 
are not unique in this endeavor, other Big-Tech quasi-monopolies are 
performing the same role.  The offer of 'free' internet services is the 
honeypot used to attract footfall.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Dale]

Michael wrote:
> On Thursday 26 September 2024 22:11:20 BST Dale wrote:
>
>> root@Gentoo-1 / # telnet smtp.gmail.com 587
>> Trying 142.251.116.108...
>> Trying 2607:f8b0:4023:1000::6c...
>> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable
>> root@Gentoo-1 / #
>>
>>
>> Can't connect.  Well, that explains a lot.  It can't reach anything to
>> log into.  It looks like it is trying both IPv4 and v6.  So, I used
>> ping.  It works there. 
> STOP RIGHT THERE!
>
> You may not have a mail application configuration problem after all (ssmtp/
> msmtp), but you definitely have a network/server connectivity problem.  You 
> need to sort out the network connection first, before you look at your smtp 
> client configuration.
>

That's my thinking but everything else works fine.  Seamonkey email
works just fine. 


>> root@Gentoo-1 / # ping smtp.gmail.com
>> PING smtp.gmail.com (142.250.115.108) 56(84) bytes of data.
>> 64 bytes from rq-in-f108.1e100.net (142.250.115.108): icmp_seq=1 ttl=53
>> time=32.1 ms
>> 64 bytes from rq-in-f108.1e100.net (142.250.115.108): icmp_seq=2 ttl=53
>> time=45.0 ms
>> 64 bytes from rq-in-f108.1e100.net (142.250.115.108): icmp_seq=3 ttl=53
>> time=39.3 ms
>> ^C
>> --- smtp.gmail.com ping statistics ---
>> 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 1998ms
>> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 32.062/38.776/45.017/5.299 ms
>> root@Gentoo-1 / # ping 142.251.116.108
>> PING 142.251.116.108 (142.251.116.108) 56(84) bytes of data.
>> 64 bytes from 142.251.116.108: icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=30.4 ms
>> 64 bytes from 142.251.116.108: icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 time=56.0 ms
>> 64 bytes from 142.251.116.108: icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 time=30.6 ms
>> ^C
>> --- 142.251.116.108 ping statistics ---
>> 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2000ms
>> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 30.351/38.988/56.049/12.063 ms
>> root@Gentoo-1 / #
> So you can access the server, but not connect to the port.
>
> Can you connect to ports 25, or 465?
>
> Can you connect to 'smtp-relay.gmail.com' instead?
>
> If you cannot see an open port, then either your network is misconfigured, or 
> you've annoyed Google enough to block your access to their smtp service.
>
>
>> What silly boo boo did I make this time???? 
>>
>>>> I am connected through a VPN but Seamonkey works fine.  I can check and
>>>> send email there,
> Ah!  I have found Google logs your IP address and when this changes they may 
> choose to block your connection to their service.  Often it sends you a 
> message in your backup email address/phone asking you to confirm if the device 
> and new IP address you are trying to connect from is you and yours.
>
> Throwing a VPN in the works may trigger the above security (re)action, when 
> your client is using an 'App Password' token, as opposed to the full OAUTH2 
> exchange.
>

I have had it send a thing I have to use on my phone.  I don't recall
giving google my phone number tho.  I rarely give my phone number to any
website.  Heck, except for a couple people, I don't ever answer the
phone anyway.  My default ring tone is silent.  Only half a dozen people
have a ring tone. 


>> That is true but why buy one if you can't run it?  LOL  This is yet
>> another reason I want to switch from Gmail.  They nothing but nosy
>> anyway.  I think it is common knowledge that they scan all emails and
>> use the info for various things, including ads, which I block by the way. 
> Google's modus operandi is arguably predicated on recording your data, your 
> location, your movements, your purchases, your contacts, your written/spoken 
> word, your interests, your thoughts, etc.  Selling advertisements is a 
> monetisation mechanism to facilitate the high cost of their operation.  They 
> are not unique in this endeavor, other Big-Tech quasi-monopolies are 
> performing the same role.  The offer of 'free' internet services is the 
> honeypot used to attract footfall.


Yep.  Looking at that Proton email thing.  It doesn't cost to much for
that basic thing above free.  I just renewed my Surfshark so want to
spread these bills a little apart.  I'm mostly just wanting something
that works like gmail but doesn't snoop.  I got encryption set up, I
think anyway.  I haven't used it since transferring to new rig. 

I'm wondering if we should just start from scratch.  Either I missed
something simple or something is missing somewhere.  I'm also wondering
of that /var/spool method might be better. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Michael]

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On Friday 27 September 2024 13:11:46 BST Dale wrote:
> Michael wrote:

> > You may not have a mail application configuration problem after all
> > (ssmtp/
> > msmtp), but you definitely have a network/server connectivity problem. 
> > You
> > need to sort out the network connection first, before you look at your
> > smtp
> > client configuration.
> 
> That's my thinking but everything else works fine.  Seamonkey email
> works just fine. 

Is your telnet, ssmtp, msmtp routing going through the same VPN as your 
Seamonkey?

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[gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Grant Edwards]

On 2024-09-27, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> Sep 26 19:04:26 Gentoo-1 smartd[18737]: Executing test of <mail> to root ...
>>> Sep 26 19:04:36 Gentoo-1 msmtp[18815]: host=smtp.gmail.com tls=on
>>> auth=off from=rdalek1967<at>gmail.com recipients=root errormsg='the
>>> server sent an empty reply' exitcode=EX_PROTOCOL
>> According to that message, the msmtp auth option is off.  It needs to
>> be on.

> This is what I copied from yours, with obvious bits changed.  I'll put
> "noneya" in those, so you know that isn't the real info. 
>
> syslog LOG_MAIL
>
> account    default
> maildomain gmail.org
> syslog on
> from rdalek1967<noneya>gmail.com
> host smtp.gmail.com
> port 465
> tls on
> tls_certcheck off
> tls_starttls off
> auth on
> user rdalek1967@gmail.com
> password "noneya"  # That is the 16 character thing with spaces in it. 

That's not the config that msmtp is using.  See in the log where it
says "auth=off"?  It should say "auth=on".  And I think it's also
using the wrong port number (or you should turn tls_startls off).

Here's what my log looks like:

    Sep 26 15:57:47 aleph msmtp[21363]: host=smtp.gmail.com tls=on auth=on user=grant.b.edwards@gmail.com from=grant.b.edwards@gmail.com recipients=<deleted>@<deleted>.com mailsize=317 smtpstatus=250 smtpmsg='250 2.0.0 OK  1727384267 e9e14a558f8ab-3a344d605d5sm1326875ab.7 - gsmtp' exitcode=EX_OK

> I'm by no means a expert on this but I see 'auth on' in there.  I see
> what you talking about in the error to tho.  As I mentioned in other
> reply, I think something else is amiss somewhere.  If that config works
> with gmail for you, it should work here. 

msmtp is not using the configuration you showed above.

> On the root thing, I have a alias set up in some file that tells it that
> root is my gmail address.  It worked before but maybe not now.  File is
> here:  /etc/mail/aliases  It has this info about root being my gmail
> address. 

Msmtp doesn't read an alias file by default. You need to add an alias
command to the msmtp config:

    alias /etc/mail/aliases

Then run msmtp from the command line like this so you can see all the
settings and the messages exchanged.  Pay particular attention to
where it's reading the configuration from, port number, and
tls_starttls.  Also look to see where it's reading aliases from.

    $ echo foo | msmtp -v bogus
    
    msmtp: recipient address bogus not accepted by the server
    msmtp: server message: 553-5.1.3 The recipient address <bogus> is not a valid RFC 5321 address. For
    msmtp: server message: 553-5.1.3 more information, go to
    msmtp: server message: 553-5.1.3  https://support.google.com/a/answer/3221692 and review RFC 5321
    msmtp: server message: 553 5.1.3 specifications. 8926c6da1cb9f-4d8888f9f55sm483180173.166 - gsmtp
    msmtp: could not send mail (account default from /etc/msmtprc)
    loaded system configuration file /etc/msmtprc
    ignoring user configuration file /home/grante/.msmtprc: No such file or directory
    falling back to default account
*** using account default from /etc/msmtprc
    host = smtp.gmail.com
*** port = 465
    source ip = (not set)
    proxy host = (not set)
    proxy port = 0
    socket = (not set)
    timeout = off
    protocol = smtp
    domain = localhost
*** auth = choose
    user = grant.b.edwards@gmail.com
    password = *
    passwordeval = (not set)
    ntlmdomain = (not set)
*** tls = on
*** tls_starttls = off
    tls_trust_file = system
    tls_crl_file = (not set)
    tls_fingerprint = (not set)
    tls_key_file = (not set)
    tls_cert_file = (not set)
    tls_certcheck = off
    tls_min_dh_prime_bits = (not set)
    tls_priorities = (not set)
    tls_host_override = (not set)
    auto_from = off
    maildomain = gmail.org
    from = grant.b.edwards@gmail.com
    from_full_name = (not set)
    allow_from_override = on
    set_from_header = auto
    set_date_header = auto
    remove_bcc_headers = on
    undisclosed_recipients = off
    dsn_notify = (not set)
    dsn_return = (not set)
    logfile = (not set)
    logfile_time_format = (not set)
    syslog = LOG_MAIL
*** aliases = (not set)
    reading recipients from the command line
    TLS session parameters:
        (TLS1.3)-(ECDHE-X25519)-(ECDSA-SECP256R1-SHA256)-(AES-256-GCM)
    TLS certificate information:
        Subject:
            CN=smtp.gmail.com
        Issuer:
            C=US,O=Google Trust Services,CN=WR2
        Validity:
            Activation time: Mon 26 Aug 2024 02:12:09 AM CDT
            Expiration time: Mon 18 Nov 2024 01:12:08 AM CST
        Fingerprints:
            SHA256: 01:AF:90:6E:FC:06:5C:B5:5D:B9:55:AB:27:07:B0:E7:8C:4F:EA:46:70:67:86:A9:E0:F1:BB:F7:5A:2E:1B:64
            SHA1 (deprecated): F2:B7:9C:3C:4C:FD:57:31:37:BB:8D:F6:DD:F7:FB:A2:D7:09:B2:BD
    <-- 220 smtp.gmail.com ESMTP 8926c6da1cb9f-4d8888f9f55sm483180173.166 - gsmtp
    --> EHLO localhost
    <-- 250-smtp.gmail.com at your service, [24.152.157.105]
    <-- 250-SIZE 35882577
    <-- 250-8BITMIME
    <-- 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN XOAUTH2 PLAIN-CLIENTTOKEN OAUTHBEARER XOAUTH
    <-- 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
    <-- 250-PIPELINING
    <-- 250-CHUNKING
    <-- 250 SMTPUTF8
    --> AUTH PLAIN <**************deleted************************>==
    <-- 235 2.7.0 Accepted
    --> MAIL FROM:<grant.b.edwards@gmail.com>
    --> RCPT TO:<bogus>
    --> DATA
    <-- 250 2.1.0 OK 8926c6da1cb9f-4d8888f9f55sm483180173.166 - gsmtp
    <-- 553-5.1.3 The recipient address <bogus> is not a valid RFC 5321 address. For
    <-- 553-5.1.3 more information, go to
    <-- 553-5.1.3  https://support.google.com/a/answer/3221692 and review RFC 5321
    <-- 553 5.1.3 specifications. 8926c6da1cb9f-4d8888f9f55sm483180173.166 - gsmtp

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Dale]

Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2024-09-27, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Sep 26 19:04:26 Gentoo-1 smartd[18737]: Executing test of <mail> to root ...
>>>> Sep 26 19:04:36 Gentoo-1 msmtp[18815]: host=smtp.gmail.com tls=on
>>>> auth=off from=rdalek1967<at>gmail.com recipients=root errormsg='the
>>>> server sent an empty reply' exitcode=EX_PROTOCOL
>>> According to that message, the msmtp auth option is off.  It needs to
>>> be on.
>> This is what I copied from yours, with obvious bits changed.  I'll put
>> "noneya" in those, so you know that isn't the real info. 
>>
>> syslog LOG_MAIL
>>
>> account    default
>> maildomain gmail.org
>> syslog on
>> from rdalek1967<noneya>gmail.com
>> host smtp.gmail.com
>> port 465
>> tls on
>> tls_certcheck off
>> tls_starttls off
>> auth on
>> user rdalek1967@gmail.com
>> password "noneya"  # That is the 16 character thing with spaces in it. 
> That's not the config that msmtp is using.  See in the log where it
> says "auth=off"?  It should say "auth=on".  And I think it's also
> using the wrong port number (or you should turn tls_startls off).
>
> Here's what my log looks like:
>
>     Sep 26 15:57:47 aleph msmtp[21363]: host=smtp.gmail.com tls=on auth=on user=grant.b.edwards@gmail.com from=grant.b.edwards@gmail.com recipients=<deleted>@<deleted>.com mailsize=317 smtpstatus=250 smtpmsg='250 2.0.0 OK  1727384267 e9e14a558f8ab-3a344d605d5sm1326875ab.7 - gsmtp' exitcode=EX_OK
>

Well, that's where I put it.  I commented out all the other stuff and
pasted yours in, changed the needed bits and then tested it.  


>> I'm by no means a expert on this but I see 'auth on' in there.  I see
>> what you talking about in the error to tho.  As I mentioned in other
>> reply, I think something else is amiss somewhere.  If that config works
>> with gmail for you, it should work here. 
> msmtp is not using the configuration you showed above.
>
>> On the root thing, I have a alias set up in some file that tells it that
>> root is my gmail address.  It worked before but maybe not now.  File is
>> here:  /etc/mail/aliases  It has this info about root being my gmail
>> address. 
> Msmtp doesn't read an alias file by default. You need to add an alias
> command to the msmtp config:
>
>     alias /etc/mail/aliases

OK.  I added that line to the config file.  Then it gives me this error. 


root@Gentoo-1 / # echo foo | msmtp -v bogus
msmtp: /etc/msmtprc: line 5: unknown command alias
root@Gentoo-1 / #




>
> Then run msmtp from the command line like this so you can see all the
> settings and the messages exchanged.  Pay particular attention to
> where it's reading the configuration from, port number, and
> tls_starttls.  Also look to see where it's reading aliases from.
>
>     $ echo foo | msmtp -v bogus
>     
>     msmtp: recipient address bogus not accepted by the server
>     msmtp: server message: 553-5.1.3 The recipient address <bogus> is not a valid RFC 5321 address. For
>     msmtp: server message: 553-5.1.3 more information, go to
>     msmtp: server message: 553-5.1.3  https://support.google.com/a/answer/3221692 and review RFC 5321
>     msmtp: server message: 553 5.1.3 specifications. 8926c6da1cb9f-4d8888f9f55sm483180173.166 - gsmtp
>     msmtp: could not send mail (account default from /etc/msmtprc)
>     loaded system configuration file /etc/msmtprc
>     ignoring user configuration file /home/grante/.msmtprc: No such file or directory
>     falling back to default account
> *** using account default from /etc/msmtprc
>     host = smtp.gmail.com
> *** port = 465
>     source ip = (not set)
>     proxy host = (not set)
>     proxy port = 0
>     socket = (not set)
>     timeout = off
>     protocol = smtp
>     domain = localhost
> *** auth = choose
>     user = grant.b.edwards@gmail.com
>     password = *
>     passwordeval = (not set)
>     ntlmdomain = (not set)
> *** tls = on
> *** tls_starttls = off
>     tls_trust_file = system
>     tls_crl_file = (not set)
>     tls_fingerprint = (not set)
>     tls_key_file = (not set)
>     tls_cert_file = (not set)
>     tls_certcheck = off
>     tls_min_dh_prime_bits = (not set)
>     tls_priorities = (not set)
>     tls_host_override = (not set)
>     auto_from = off
>     maildomain = gmail.org
>     from = grant.b.edwards@gmail.com
>     from_full_name = (not set)
>     allow_from_override = on
>     set_from_header = auto
>     set_date_header = auto
>     remove_bcc_headers = on
>     undisclosed_recipients = off
>     dsn_notify = (not set)
>     dsn_return = (not set)
>     logfile = (not set)
>     logfile_time_format = (not set)
>     syslog = LOG_MAIL
> *** aliases = (not set)
>     reading recipients from the command line
>     TLS session parameters:
>         (TLS1.3)-(ECDHE-X25519)-(ECDSA-SECP256R1-SHA256)-(AES-256-GCM)
>     TLS certificate information:
>         Subject:
>             CN=smtp.gmail.com
>         Issuer:
>             C=US,O=Google Trust Services,CN=WR2
>         Validity:
>             Activation time: Mon 26 Aug 2024 02:12:09 AM CDT
>             Expiration time: Mon 18 Nov 2024 01:12:08 AM CST
>         Fingerprints:
>             SHA256: 01:AF:90:6E:FC:06:5C:B5:5D:B9:55:AB:27:07:B0:E7:8C:4F:EA:46:70:67:86:A9:E0:F1:BB:F7:5A:2E:1B:64
>             SHA1 (deprecated): F2:B7:9C:3C:4C:FD:57:31:37:BB:8D:F6:DD:F7:FB:A2:D7:09:B2:BD
>     <-- 220 smtp.gmail.com ESMTP 8926c6da1cb9f-4d8888f9f55sm483180173.166 - gsmtp
>     --> EHLO localhost
>     <-- 250-smtp.gmail.com at your service, [24.152.157.105]
>     <-- 250-SIZE 35882577
>     <-- 250-8BITMIME
>     <-- 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN XOAUTH2 PLAIN-CLIENTTOKEN OAUTHBEARER XOAUTH
>     <-- 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
>     <-- 250-PIPELINING
>     <-- 250-CHUNKING
>     <-- 250 SMTPUTF8
>     --> AUTH PLAIN <**************deleted************************>==
>     <-- 235 2.7.0 Accepted
>     --> MAIL FROM:<grant.b.edwards@gmail.com>
>     --> RCPT TO:<bogus>
>     --> DATA
>     <-- 250 2.1.0 OK 8926c6da1cb9f-4d8888f9f55sm483180173.166 - gsmtp
>     <-- 553-5.1.3 The recipient address <bogus> is not a valid RFC 5321 address. For
>     <-- 553-5.1.3 more information, go to
>     <-- 553-5.1.3  https://support.google.com/a/answer/3221692 and review RFC 5321
>     <-- 553 5.1.3 specifications. 8926c6da1cb9f-4d8888f9f55sm483180173.166 - gsmtp
>

See above.  I didn't get anything like that.  It seems to puke on the
first line it sees. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Dale]

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Michael wrote:
> On Friday 27 September 2024 13:11:46 BST Dale wrote:
>> Michael wrote:
>>> You may not have a mail application configuration problem after all
>>> (ssmtp/
>>> msmtp), but you definitely have a network/server connectivity problem. 
>>> You
>>> need to sort out the network connection first, before you look at your
>>> smtp
>>> client configuration.
>> That's my thinking but everything else works fine.  Seamonkey email
>> works just fine. 
> Is your telnet, ssmtp, msmtp routing going through the same VPN as your 
> Seamonkey?


I never got around to setting up a tunnel thing so all traffic, except
to my local NAS box, goes through the VPN.  I kinda like everything
going through the VPN anyway.  ;-) 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

P. S.  Gotta go mow about 4 or 5 acres of grass.  They have a large
mower at least. 

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[gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Grant Edwards]

On 2024-09-27, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> OK.  I added that line to the config file.  Then it gives me this error. 
>
>
> root@Gentoo-1 / # echo foo | msmtp -v bogus
> msmtp: /etc/msmtprc: line 5: unknown command alias
> root@Gentoo-1 / #

Sorry, my bad.  It's aliases not alias:

$ man msmtp | grep alias
                     Note  that  hdrs  is accepted as an alias for headers to be compatible
              --aliases=[file]
                     Set or unset an aliases file. See the aliases command.
       aliases [file]
              Replace local recipients with addresses in the  aliases  file.   The  aliases
              cal address is not found in the aliases file.  If no default alias is  found,
              Note that alias expansion only affects the mail envelope. The To and Cc head‐
              An  empty  argument  to the aliases command disables the replacement of local
       # Example aliases file

You do know about the msmtp man page, right?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Dale]

Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2024-09-27, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> OK.  I added that line to the config file.  Then it gives me this error. 
>>
>>
>> root@Gentoo-1 / # echo foo | msmtp -v bogus
>> msmtp: /etc/msmtprc: line 5: unknown command alias
>> root@Gentoo-1 / #
> Sorry, my bad.  It's aliases not alias:
>
> $ man msmtp | grep alias
>                      Note  that  hdrs  is accepted as an alias for headers to be compatible
>               --aliases=[file]
>                      Set or unset an aliases file. See the aliases command.
>        aliases [file]
>               Replace local recipients with addresses in the  aliases  file.   The  aliases
>               cal address is not found in the aliases file.  If no default alias is  found,
>               Note that alias expansion only affects the mail envelope. The To and Cc head‐
>               An  empty  argument  to the aliases command disables the replacement of local
>        # Example aliases file
>
> You do know about the msmtp man page, right?
>

Well, if copying someone's known working config file doesn't work right,
I'm not sure a man page is going to help much.  That said, I changed the
alias line and then got a error about the account info.  I commented it
out too.  When I did that, I got this with your test command. 



root@Gentoo-1 / # echo foo | msmtp -v bogus
loaded system configuration file /etc/msmtprc
ignoring user configuration file /root/.msmtprc: No such file or directory
falling back to default account
using account default from /etc/msmtprc
host = smtp.gmail.com
port = 465
source ip = (not set)
proxy host = (not set)
proxy port = 0
socket = (not set)
timeout = off
protocol = smtp
domain = localhost
auth = choose
user = rdalek1967<at>gmail.com
password = *
passwordeval = (not set)
ntlmdomain = (not set)
tls = on
tls_starttls = off
tls_trust_file = system
tls_crl_file = (not set)
tls_fingerprint = (not set)
tls_key_file = (not set)
tls_cert_file = (not set)
tls_certcheck = off
tls_min_dh_prime_bits = (not set)
tls_priorities = (not set)
tls_host_override = (not set)
auto_from = off
maildomain = gmail.org
from = rdalek1967<at>gmail.com
from_full_name = (not set)
allow_from_override = on
set_from_header = auto
set_date_header = auto
remove_bcc_headers = on
undisclosed_recipients = off
dsn_notify = (not set)
dsn_return = (not set)
logfile = (not set)
logfile_time_format = (not set)
syslog = LOG_USER
aliases = /etc/mail/aliases
reading recipients from the command line
TLS session parameters:
    (TLS1.3)-(ECDHE-X25519)-(ECDSA-SECP256R1-SHA256)-(AES-256-GCM)
TLS certificate information:
    Subject:
        CN=smtp.gmail.com
    Issuer:
        C=US,O=Google Trust Services,CN=WR2
    Validity:
        Activation time: Mon 26 Aug 2024 02:12:09 AM CDT
        Expiration time: Mon 18 Nov 2024 01:12:08 AM CST
    Fingerprints:
        SHA256:
01:AF:90:6E:FC:06:5C:B5:5D:B9:55:AB:27:07:B0:E7:8C:4F:EA:46:70:67:86:A9:E0:F1:BB:F7:5A:2E:1B:64
        SHA1 (deprecated):
F2:B7:9C:3C:4C:FD:57:31:37:BB:8D:F6:DD:F7:FB:A2:D7:09:B2:BD
<-- 220 smtp.gmail.com ESMTP 46e09a7af769-714fb6dfaafsm583235a34.76 - gsmtp
--> EHLO localhost
<-- 250-smtp.gmail.com at your service, [45.203.21.14]
<-- 250-SIZE 35882577
<-- 250-8BITMIME
<-- 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN XOAUTH2 PLAIN-CLIENTTOKEN OAUTHBEARER XOAUTH
<-- 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
<-- 250-PIPELINING
<-- 250-CHUNKING
<-- 250 SMTPUTF8
--> AUTH PLAIN AHJkYWxlazE5NjdAZ21haWwuY29tAGZjcGQgaGJqbSBmZ2ZnIGpscW0=
<-- 235 2.7.0 Accepted
--> MAIL FROM:<rdalek1967<at>gmail.com>
--> RCPT TO:<bogus>
--> DATA
<-- 250 2.1.0 OK 46e09a7af769-714fb6dfaafsm583235a34.76 - gsmtp
<-- 553-5.1.3 The recipient address <bogus> is not a valid RFC 5321
address. For
<-- 553-5.1.3 more information, go to
<-- 553-5.1.3  https://support.google.com/a/answer/3221692 and review
RFC 5321
<-- 553 5.1.3 specifications. 46e09a7af769-714fb6dfaafsm583235a34.76 - gsmtp
msmtp: recipient address bogus not accepted by the server
msmtp: server message: 553-5.1.3 The recipient address <bogus> is not a
valid RFC 5321 address. For
msmtp: server message: 553-5.1.3 more information, go to
msmtp: server message: 553-5.1.3 
https://support.google.com/a/answer/3221692 and review RFC 5321
msmtp: server message: 553 5.1.3 specifications.
46e09a7af769-714fb6dfaafsm583235a34.76 - gsmtp
msmtp: could not send mail (account default from /etc/msmtprc)
root@Gentoo-1 / #


Now things may be working better.  So, I restarted smartd and guess
what, I got emails from smart about my hard drives.  I have nine hard
drives.  I got a email for each one.  Can I get a YEPPIE!!!!

I think the original problem was having the account line.  I got a error
about default already being set with your test command, not sure where
that was and it didn't say.  So, I commented out the account line and
that is when it started working. 

So, it works again.  Now if I change email providers, I get to do this
again.  Hopefully changing some bits will make it work. 

Thanks for the help.  We beat it into submission.  ROFL 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

P. S.  About to rain.  Can't mow grass.  :-( 

Re: [gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Dale]

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Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> Am Thu, Sep 26, 2024 at 05:44:08AM -0500 schrieb Dale:
>
>>> That said, if you're interested in limiting opportunistic snooping, something 
>>> like this may help:
>>>
>>> https://proton.me/mail
>> I'll have to check into that more.  I'm not sure I could send my system
>> emails through that tho.  It sounds like it requires encryption end to
>> end.  I think. 
>>
>> Dale
> I would actually try and set up local mail delivery straight to /var/spool 
> without the detour over a network. We’ve had this topic already, methinks.
> You can then add the folder to Thunderbird/Seamonkey, since spool usually is 
> mbox format, which is also the default in TB.
>


That was plan B.  Basically, I just needed a way for SMART to let me
know of issues.  Since Grant beat it into submission, maybe Gmail will
leave things alone for a while and stop putting locked doors in the way. 

Thanks for the idea.  I was starting to consider it, a lot. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Dale]

Matt Connell wrote:
>> On Wed, 2024-09-25 at 15:43 -0500, Dale wrote:
>> No one here has their system set up to use Gmail for system
>> emails??? 
> I wouldn't consider gmail an option for any emails, system or
> otherwise.
>
>> On Thu, 2024-09-26 at 02:28 -0500, Dale wrote:
>> If you know a email service that isn't to expensive but is secure,
>> not secure enough to block me from doing things I need to do tho, I'm
>> open to ideas.  I'd like something that is outside the USA if
>> possible.
> I can happily vouch for Mailfence.  I've been a customer for ~7 years
> now.  They are located in Belgium (strong privacy laws), and they have
> great customer support, with real people who understand things like
> DKIM. Plus, I can bring my own domain!  I pay roughly $3.50 USD per
> month.  They have a free tier plan to try it out and see if it will
> work out for you.
>
>


Would Mailfence, or Proton if you know, be a basic drop in replacement
for Gmail?  Basically, I don't really need end to end encryption.  I
just want a provider that doesn't snoop and will tell those who want to
snoop to go pound sand.  Some countries are better at that than others. 

Both Mailfence and Proton seem to cost about the same, for the paid
plans anyway.  I'd start with a free one just to test.  If things work
fairly well, go to a paid plan.  Maybe have my own domain thing that I
can move if needed.  Honestly tho, I'd want this to be my last move
email wise. 

Thanks for any info you can provide.  I really want to tackle this and
switch. 

Dale

:-)  :-)

[gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Grant Edwards]

On 2024-09-27, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

>> You do know about the msmtp man page, right?
>
> Well, if copying someone's known working config file doesn't work right,
> I'm not sure a man page is going to help much.

The working configuration I provided didn't have an alias (or aliases)
command in it.

> That said, I changed the alias line and then got a error about the
> account info.

What error?

> I commented it out too.

What was "it"?

> When I did that, I got this with your test command. 

[...]

> Now things may be working better.  So, I restarted smartd and guess
> what, I got emails from smart about my hard drives.  I have nine hard
> drives.  I got a email for each one.  Can I get a YEPPIE!!!!

Great!

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Dale]

Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2024-09-27, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> You do know about the msmtp man page, right?
>> Well, if copying someone's known working config file doesn't work right,
>> I'm not sure a man page is going to help much.
> The working configuration I provided didn't have an alias (or aliases)
> command in it.

You mentioned I needed to add that so I did.  I think that also helped,
once we got the spelling right. 


>> That said, I changed the alias line and then got a error about the
>> account info.
> What error?

The error said 'default' was already set.  I'm not sure where it was set
but that's what it said.  I commented out the line that I pasted in the
config file and then things got better. 

>> I commented it out too.
> What was "it"?
>

I think that was the default account info. 


>> When I did that, I got this with your test command. 
> [...]
>
>> Now things may be working better.  So, I restarted smartd and guess
>> what, I got emails from smart about my hard drives.  I have nine hard
>> drives.  I got a email for each one.  Can I get a YEPPIE!!!!
> Great!

It is great.  Also, reset everything else security wise including main
password.  It needed doing anyway.  I should be safe again. 

Thanks so much. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[John Blinka]

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On Thu, Sep 26, 2024 at 9:43 AM Frank Steinmetzger <Warp_7@gmx.de> wrote:

> Am Thu, Sep 26, 2024 at 05:44:08AM -0500 schrieb Dale:
>
> > > That said, if you're interested in limiting opportunistic snooping,
> something
> > > like this may help:
> > >
> > > https://proton.me/mail
> >
> >
> > I'll have to check into that more.  I'm not sure I could send my system
> > emails through that tho.  It sounds like it requires encryption end to
> > end.  I think.
> >
> > Dale
>
> I would actually try and set up local mail delivery straight to /var/spool
> without the detour over a network. We’ve had this topic already, methinks.
> You can then add the folder to Thunderbird/Seamonkey, since spool usually
> is
> mbox format, which is also the default in TB.
>
> --
> Grüße | Greetings | Salut | Qapla’
> Please do not share anything from, with or about me on any social network.
>
> If a snowball is a ball of snow – what, then, is a football?
>
Exactly. I used to send system email out through gmail, but after periodic
breakages in that route due to Google security changes, I realized keeping
these emails within my local network was a more reliable, lower hassle
alternative for me: postfix/dovecot/mutt. I just use it for system mails,
so config was straightforward. No more gmail config hassles, no more Google
reading my emails. The one time I’ve been hacked was through gmail, so I’ve
also eliminated a security risk.

Not the answer to the question asked, so possibly not a useful one, but
maybe food for thought.

John Blinka

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

[Michael]

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On Friday 27 September 2024 17:28:13 BST Dale wrote:
> Grant Edwards wrote:
> > On 2024-09-27, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> You do know about the msmtp man page, right?
> >> 
> >> Well, if copying someone's known working config file doesn't work right,
> >> I'm not sure a man page is going to help much.
> > 
> > The working configuration I provided didn't have an alias (or aliases)
> > command in it.
> 
> You mentioned I needed to add that so I did.  I think that also helped,
> once we got the spelling right. 
> 
> >> That said, I changed the alias line and then got a error about the
> >> account info.
> > 
> > What error?
> 
> The error said 'default' was already set.  I'm not sure where it was set
> but that's what it said.  I commented out the line that I pasted in the
> config file and then things got better. 
> 
> >> I commented it out too.
> > 
> > What was "it"?
> 
> I think that was the default account info. 
> 
> >> When I did that, I got this with your test command. 
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> >> Now things may be working better.  So, I restarted smartd and guess
> >> what, I got emails from smart about my hard drives.  I have nine hard
> >> drives.  I got a email for each one.  Can I get a YEPPIE!!!!
> > 
> > Great!
> 
> It is great.  Also, reset everything else security wise including main
> password.  It needed doing anyway.  I should be safe again. 
> 
> Thanks so much. 
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 

Good result, although I am confused how you were not able to connect with 
telnet to the gmail server one moment, but were able to connect thereafter 
with msmtp.  :-/

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