[gentoo-user] Fairwell for now

[gentoo-user] Fairwell for now

[A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman]

Well I can't get the live cd to boot so I'll check back in a year to see
if Gentoo has it's act togather yet. I do look forward to running Gentoo,
someday.
Alvin

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Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now

[Jim]

* on the Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 07:06:14PM -0800, A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman said:
> Well I can't get the live cd to boot so I'll check back in a year to see
> if Gentoo has it's act togather yet. I do look forward to running Gentoo,
> someday.
> Alvin

The live cd is still pretty new and could have some bugs.  What issues
are you having?  Do you get any error messages?  What are the specs of
the box you are trying to boot it on?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now

[Jeremy Olexa]

A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman wrote:

>Well I can't get the live cd to boot so I'll check back in a year to see
>if Gentoo has it's act togather yet. I do look forward to running Gentoo,
>someday.
>Alvin
>
>For the best jerky you've ever had go to
>http://alk.jerkydirect.com/
>My home page
>http://ka9qlq.tripod.com
>This PC is windows free with Mepis Linux 3.4-3
>http://www.mepis.org/
>1(747)632-4973 SIP 
>Get Gizmo 1 cent per minuet calling
>http://www.gizmoproject.com/
>  
>
Man, not to sound mean but this is what I was afraid of when the Gentoo 
Installer was released. =/ I really don't think Gentoo is that hard to 
install if you just read the docs. Gentoo was my first Linux OS..man I 
read alot during the first months.
-Jeremy
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Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now

[Daniel da Veiga]

On 3/10/06, A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman <alvin_ka9qlq@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Well I can't get the live cd to boot so I'll check back in a year to see
> if Gentoo has it's act togather yet. I do look forward to running Gentoo,
> someday.
> Alvin

I've trying to help you at the "My screen goes off on boot" thread,
gave you alternatives, we discussed the problem, it can be your
monitor (my best bet), or you could add a little effort and really
config Xorg to work with default driver VESA and low screen
resolutions, but you seem to want everything out of the box.

If your framebuffer is working, you could simply CTRL+ALT+F1 and run
the command-line installer, wich is a little more effort, but I've
tried, and it works, or you could just use gentoo-nofb and add "nox"
to your kernel options and use it without framebuffer. Its still
Linux.

If you want a CD that "just runs and installs" check another OS, I
would say its name, but its been so long since my last "blue screen of
death, format, reinstall, check for viruses, burn your firewall" days
;)

>
> For the best jerky you've ever had go to
> http://alk.jerkydirect.com/
> My home page
> http://ka9qlq.tripod.com
> This PC is windows free with Mepis Linux 3.4-3
> http://www.mepis.org/
> 1(747)632-4973 SIP
> Get Gizmo 1 cent per minuet calling
> http://www.gizmoproject.com/
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Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now

[Peter van Eck]

A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman wrote:

>Well I can't get the live cd to boot so I'll check back in a year to see
>if Gentoo has it's act togather yet. I do look forward to running Gentoo,
>someday.
>Alvin
>
>For the best jerky you've ever had go to
>http://alk.jerkydirect.com/
>My home page
>http://ka9qlq.tripod.com
>This PC is windows free with Mepis Linux 3.4-3
>http://www.mepis.org/
>1(747)632-4973 SIP 
>Get Gizmo 1 cent per minuet calling
>http://www.gizmoproject.com/
>  
>

I 've had 2006.0 livecd freezes as well...first time on a machine that 
had no troubles whatsoever with the previous releases..

By frozen I mean : Booting the default kernel with or wouth framebuffer 
stops at copying
 to the tmpfs into ram....

So I can confirm it may have some bugs for certain hardware...
in my case :

a via board based system.

Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [KM400/A] Chipset Host Bridge
        Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Unknown device 8118


rgds,

Peter


P.S. The minimal CD worked just fine !!!

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[gentoo-user] Re: Fairwell for now

[Ghaith Hachem]

i've run the live cd and the installer on my MSI neo4 with amd athlon
64 3000+  and 1GB of RAM with no errors.. i just ran into a problem
that i made myself by canceling the installation while still
partitioning the system it deleted the partitions but that was easliy
fixed.
a bug in the installer is that it hangs when installing ssmtp but if
you want to install the system just install the packages marked GRP to
get a workign system and boot it and emerge whatever package you
need..
i personally liked the old isntallation method more it gave me great
experience but if you're in a rush and want the system to just work
the installer is perfect

On 3/10/06, Peter van Eck <peter@vaneckonline.net> wrote:
>
>
> A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman wrote:
>
> >Well I can't get the live cd to boot so I'll check back in a year to see
> >if Gentoo has it's act togather yet. I do look forward to running Gentoo,
> >someday.
> >Alvin
> >
> >For the best jerky you've ever had go to
> >http://alk.jerkydirect.com/
> >My home page
> >http://ka9qlq.tripod.com
> >This PC is windows free with Mepis Linux 3.4-3
> >http://www.mepis.org/
> >1(747)632-4973 SIP
> >Get Gizmo 1 cent per minuet calling
> >http://www.gizmoproject.com/
> >
> >
>
> I 've had 2006.0 livecd freezes as well...first time on a machine that
> had no troubles whatsoever with the previous releases..
>
> By frozen I mean : Booting the default kernel with or wouth framebuffer
> stops at copying
>  to the tmpfs into ram....
>
> So I can confirm it may have some bugs for certain hardware...
> in my case :
>
> a via board based system.
>
> Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [KM400/A] Chipset Host Bridge
>         Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Unknown device 8118
>
>
> rgds,
>
> Peter
>
>
> P.S. The minimal CD worked just fine !!!
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now

[A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman]

It recognises my Nvida card [fx 5200] but when you get to the stage where
the icons dissapear as stuff loads, when the last one goes the monitor
shuts off. as is't booting from a cd there's no error log and nofb didn't
help. 

Like I said some day Gentoo will get there, but right now it's not stable.
Alvin

--- Jim <Jim@keeliegirl.dyndns.org> wrote:

> * on the Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 07:06:14PM -0800, A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin
> Koffman said:
> > Well I can't get the live cd to boot so I'll check back in a year to
> see
> > if Gentoo has it's act togather yet. I do look forward to running
> Gentoo,
> > someday.
> > Alvin
> 
> The live cd is still pretty new and could have some bugs.  What issues
> are you having?  Do you get any error messages?  What are the specs of
> the box you are trying to boot it on?
> 
> Jim
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> 


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Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now

[Ghaith Hachem]

Gentoo is pretty stable.. the installer isn't
try the old way it's way better and makes you more familiar with your system

On 3/10/06, A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman <alvin_ka9qlq@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It recognises my Nvida card [fx 5200] but when you get to the stage where
> the icons dissapear as stuff loads, when the last one goes the monitor
> shuts off. as is't booting from a cd there's no error log and nofb didn't
> help.
>
> Like I said some day Gentoo will get there, but right now it's not stable.
> Alvin
>
> --- Jim <Jim@keeliegirl.dyndns.org> wrote:
>
> > * on the Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 07:06:14PM -0800, A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin
> > Koffman said:
> > > Well I can't get the live cd to boot so I'll check back in a year to
> > see
> > > if Gentoo has it's act togather yet. I do look forward to running
> > Gentoo,
> > > someday.
> > > Alvin
> >
> > The live cd is still pretty new and could have some bugs.  What issues
> > are you having?  Do you get any error messages?  What are the specs of
> > the box you are trying to boot it on?
> >
> > Jim
> > --
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> >
> >
>
>
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> My home page
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> http://www.mepis.org/
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Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now

[Holly Bostick]

A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman schreef:
> It recognises my Nvida card [fx 5200] but when you get to the stage
> where the icons dissapear as stuff loads, when the last one goes the
> monitor shuts off. as is't booting from a cd there's no error log and
> nofb didn't help.
> 
> Like I said some day Gentoo will get there, but right now it's not
> stable.

The graphical installer is not the distribution. The fact that the
installer doesn't work for you is not the same as "Gentoo is not stable".

The graphical installer is indeed not stable, but "we all" knew that (or
we would have if we read the release notes).

Is there some reason that you can't use the current CD to install in the
"traditional" manner (without X), or with an ncurses interface (again,
without X), or conversely use the previous install CD (that doesn't have
a graphical installer), to install Gentoo?

Also, you might check the forums and bugs.gentoo.org to see if this is a
known problem (you seem to be not the first having signal loss from the
install CD on this list) and if there is a workaround.

Or you could just go on as you are doing and blow us off as "unstable".

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Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now

[Michael Crute]

On 3/10/06, A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman <alvin_ka9qlq@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Like I said some day Gentoo will get there, but right now it's not stable.

Holy crap... good thing you are here to tell me this... guess I will
have to pull Gentoo off of all my 1/2 dozen or so production servers
and go back to Fedora!

<flame>
In all seriousness, if your too lazy to sit down with the minimal CD
and a pile of docs for your first install then Gentoo is probably NOT
for you. Also, there is no reason to go about insulting the developers
by making blind statements about the stability of their software.
Sheesh.
</flame>

-Mike

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Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now

[Dave Moore]

> Gentoo is pretty stable.. the installer isn't
> try the old way it's way better and makes you more familiar with your system

I just finished (about a week ago) my first non-binary install of a
linux distribution, compiling from a stage3, starting with the 2006.0
Gentoo Minimal Install CD. As someone who is still relatively new to
Linux, I can attest that this was not very difficult, it simply
requires patience and a lot of looking things up. Now that I've got my
system up and running, I couldn't be happier

I'd recommend trying this route, I'm glad I did. If I had gone with a
graphical installer, I wouldn't know half of what I know now about
Gentoo.. it was a great learning process.

Dave

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Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now

[Richard Fish]

On 3/10/06, A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman <alvin_ka9qlq@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Like I said some day Gentoo will get there, but right now it's not stable.

You're right, Gentoo is not 'stable' [1], and it never will be stable.
 It is functional and reliable however.  But you need to know linux,
your hardware, and unix system administration.  And a bit of
programming knowledge doesn't hurt either.  If you can't do something
with Gentoo, it is more than likely because you have not learned
enough about one of the aforementioned topics, and don't have the
patience/desire to learn.

[1] Stable implies that the system doesn't change frequently.  That
definition certainly doesn't apply to gentoo.

> Alvin
>
> For the best jerky you've ever had go to
> http://alk.jerkydirect.com/
> My home page
> http://ka9qlq.tripod.com
> This PC is windows free with Mepis Linux 3.4-3
> http://www.mepis.org/
> 1(747)632-4973 SIP
> Get Gizmo 1 cent per minuet calling
> http://www.gizmoproject.com/

Could you please stop spamming us with your .sig?  I never bothered to
respond to your original postings because of this.

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now

[A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman]

--- Michael Crute <mcrute@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 3/10/06, A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman <alvin_ka9qlq@yahoo.com> wrote:
> <flame>
> In all seriousness, if your too lazy to sit down with the minimal CD
> and a pile of docs for your first install then Gentoo is probably NOT
> for you. Also, there is no reason to go about insulting the developers
> by making blind statements about the stability of their software.
> Sheesh.
> </flame>
> 
> -Mike
> 
Wow! Thank You, and here all this time I though the reason I have 20% use
of one hand and can only handle a mouse was because of muscular dystrophy.
Of corse I'm sure you can install Gentoo without the need of your hands
I'm just to lasy to figure out how. 

As for insulting the developers I said I looked forward to when they had
something I [a normal person] could use and would check back in a year to
see what happens, but you were to busy playing with your chip on your
shoulder to notice that. 

Sense we're on it though, why would they put out a broken product? If you
have to install gentoo from a stage tarball why devlope a live cd that
can't even boot right? Maybe because the devlopers understand that if
gentoo is to become populare beyond the geek squad they'll have to have
something non-programmers can use. That meens taking risks and working out
bugs instead of going "whaaaaaa he said my product din't work mommy."

Bill Gates can sleep good.......they even have voice software [8=)
Alvin

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Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now

[Antoine]

> Sense we're on it though, why would they put out a broken product? If you
> have to install gentoo from a stage tarball why devlope a live cd that
> can't even boot right? Maybe because the devlopers understand that if
> gentoo is to become populare beyond the geek squad they'll have to have
> something non-programmers can use.

I think you will find that is a minority of gentoo programmers - the
majority are just fine in geek mode - haven't you heard? the Geek will
inherit the earth.
8=}
Cheers
Antoine

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Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now

[Heiko Wundram]

Am Freitag, 10. März 2006 19:44 schrieb A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman:
> Bill Gates can sleep good.......they even have voice software [8=)

Stop trolling and grow up.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now

[Holly Bostick]

A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman schreef:
> As for insulting the developers I said I looked forward to when they
>  had something I [a normal person] could use

You know, it just occurs to me to question this often-heard "assumption"
that "non-geek"="normal" -- with "geek" being defined by these so-called
"normal" people.

Is it "not normal" to want to understand what you're doing when
installing an OS?

Is it "normal" to object (vociferously, usually) to having to read the
instructions before attempting to perform a complex technical procedure?

Is it "normal" to think that "click a fancy button and everything just
works" is the way things are *supposed* to be, when dealing with a
complex technical operation?

I personally don't think so, but then again I'm a "geek", apparently,
and I don't know what "normal" is, anyway, since I'm apparently not.

Not to be rude, but if I was "normal", I suppose I would understand how
one can be "a normal person" and severely disabled in the same paragraph,
since these conditions either have no relationship to each other (in
which case there was no need for the "I'm disabled" trump card), or
contradict each other (in which case the speaker looks like a.....
person who smells of elderberries).

But of course, I'm out of here; pointless flame-fests are not my idea of
a fun Friday night.

Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now

[Dave Moore]

> But of course, I'm out of here; pointless flame-fests are not my idea of
> a fun Friday night.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now

[Michael Sullivan]

On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 20:32 +0100, Holly Bostick wrote:
> A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman schreef:
> > As for insulting the developers I said I looked forward to when they
> >  had something I [a normal person] could use
> 
> You know, it just occurs to me to question this often-heard "assumption"
> that "non-geek"="normal" -- with "geek" being defined by these so-called
> "normal" people.
> 
> Is it "not normal" to want to understand what you're doing when
> installing an OS?
> 
> Is it "normal" to object (vociferously, usually) to having to read the
> instructions before attempting to perform a complex technical procedure?
> 
> Is it "normal" to think that "click a fancy button and everything just
> works" is the way things are *supposed* to be, when dealing with a
> complex technical operation?
> 
> I personally don't think so, but then again I'm a "geek", apparently,
> and I don't know what "normal" is, anyway, since I'm apparently not.
> 
> Not to be rude, but if I was "normal", I suppose I would understand how
> one can be "a normal person" and severely disabled in the same paragraph,
> since these conditions either have no relationship to each other (in
> which case there was no need for the "I'm disabled" trump card), or
> contradict each other (in which case the speaker looks like a.....
> person who smells of elderberries).
> 
> But of course, I'm out of here; pointless flame-fests are not my idea of
> a fun Friday night.
> 
> Holly

Amen to that.  The US government has labelled me "mentally disabled",
and I still managed to successfully install Gentoo on three different
PCs...  If someone like me can do it, anyone can.  

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Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now

[Alexander Skwar]

Michael Sullivan wrote:

> Amen to that.  The US government has labelled me "mentally disabled",
> and I still managed to successfully install Gentoo on three different
> PCs...  If someone like me can do it, anyone can.  

Well, maybe you've *GOT* to be mentally disabled to be able
to install and appreciate Gentoo? :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Fairwell for now

[Daniel da Veiga]

On 3/10/06, A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman <alvin_ka9qlq@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --- Michael Crute <mcrute@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 3/10/06, A.R.S. KA9QLQ Alvin Koffman <alvin_ka9qlq@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > <flame>
> > In all seriousness, if your too lazy to sit down with the minimal CD
> > and a pile of docs for your first install then Gentoo is probably NOT
> > for you. Also, there is no reason to go about insulting the developers
> > by making blind statements about the stability of their software.
> > Sheesh.
> > </flame>
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> Wow! Thank You, and here all this time I though the reason I have 20% use
> of one hand and can only handle a mouse was because of muscular dystrophy.
> Of corse I'm sure you can install Gentoo without the need of your hands
> I'm just to lasy to figure out how.

For you to install win you need to use keyboard as well, don't come
with that, you're not using a software, you're building a system that
is designed to be a metadistribution, not a graphical interface to bad
written software.

>
> As for insulting the developers I said I looked forward to when they had
> something I [a normal person] could use and would check back in a year to
> see what happens, but you were to busy playing with your chip on your
> shoulder to notice that.

That is an insult for me as I consider myself a normal person and
there are NO OS you can install without using your hands. Sorry, but
you still can't configure a machine with voice software neither only
mouse from scratch or build a system this way. We did not get there,
neither any other OS.

>
> Sense we're on it though, why would they put out a broken product? If you
> have to install gentoo from a stage tarball why devlope a live cd that
> can't even boot right? Maybe because the devlopers understand that if
> gentoo is to become populare beyond the geek squad they'll have to have
> something non-programmers can use. That meens taking risks and working out
> bugs instead of going "whaaaaaa he said my product din't work mommy."

It works, I'm using it right now, you're crying because a simple error
and we gave you more than a dozen reasons/ways to workaround it/help
docs. So if anyone is a crying baby posting a farewell insulting a
system designed to be more than a "click there, click here" software,
it is you.

>
> Bill Gates can sleep good.......they even have voice software [8=)

Yeah, I love their software, they are the reason I make so much money
developing solutions and recovering broke systems that MS is unable to
ever make work because they can't even understand their own code.
Well, thank god for "screens of death". I live from the stupidity of
those who still try to "work" with Win.

> Alvin
>
> For the best jerky you've ever had go to
> http://alk.jerkydirect.com/
> My home page
> http://ka9qlq.tripod.com
> This PC is windows free with Mepis Linux 3.4-3
> http://www.mepis.org/
> 1(747)632-4973 SIP
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GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V-
PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++
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