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On 19/03/2012 04:03, William Kenworthy wrote:
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<pre wrap=3D"">On Sun, 2012-03-18 at 18:30 -0600, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez=
Vald=C3=A9s wrote:
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<pre wrap=3D"">On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Alan McKinnon <a =
class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:alan.mckinnon@gmail.com">&=
lt;alan.mckinnon@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap=3D"">On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:39:59 -0500
Dale <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:rdalek1967@gmail.c=
om"><rdalek1967@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap=3D"">Eliezer Croitoru wrote:
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<pre wrap=3D"">On 18/03/2012 11:52, Dale wrote:
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<pre wrap=3D"">Peter Humphrey wrote:
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<pre wrap=3D"">On Saturday 17 March 2012 12:54:53 Eliez=
er Croitoru wrote:
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<pre wrap=3D"">genkernel is pretty simple to use if y=
ou ask me.
just
emerege genkernel
and then use
genkerenl --menuconfig all
it will do everything for you the same as in a regular kernel
compiling.
you have instructions on how to use genkernel on the handbook.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=3D"">
What's more, you don't have to keep going through menuconfig if
you already have a running self-compiled kernel. Just copy
the .config file to
somewhere safe (I use, e.g. /boot/config-3.2) and call genkernel
with the
option to specify the config file it's to use. Sorry but I can't
tell you
exactly what the parameter is as I don't have genkernel on this
box. Someone will be along in a moment though.
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I used genkernel when I was first installing Gentoo. I let that
thing build half a dozen kernels, chroot in between too. You know
what, not one of them worked. That was a long time ago but let me
check something here.< spit spit spit> I had to get the bad
taste out of my mouth. lol
I might also add, I started using a init thingy a few weeks ago,
dracut tool. For some crazy reason, when I boot with the init
thingy, my system doesn't work right. When I boot without the
init thingy, it works fine. Still trying to figure out that one.
It's in another thread.
I don't see myself using genkernel any time soon. Right now, I'm
having flashbacks to hal with regard to dracut and the whole init
thingy /usr mess.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=3D"">i have used genkernel for a long time and al=
l of my genkernel
compilation works really good.
i have (counting, 1 very very big production server, 2 small
production server, 3 home server, 4 +5 +6 + 7 +8 of vms runing
genkernel with several services such as mail mail filtering web
server and monitoring) so what can i say? all these machines will
say other then you.
Regards,
Eliezer
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Dale
:-) :-)
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Odd, it can work on all those yet fail on a relatively simple system.
Makes one wonder. Maybe it is to complicated? Sort of starting to
sound like udev isn't it? lol
I didn't say it would fail for the OP. I just said it never worked
for me. Compiling my own has worked for me. I have only had one
failure with that. I might also add, I have read where others have
nightmares about genkernel. I'm not the only one.
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<pre wrap=3D"">
And using genkernel is pretty fucking pointless while it doesn't
support suspend/resume right.
Anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I don;t use genkernel so
don;t know the truth from experience. I only read what others say,
claiming that genkernel doesn't support suspend/resume.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=3D"">
Resume/suspend or
hibernate/whatever-the-inverse-of-hibernate-is-called? Because
resume/suspend has nothing to do with an initramfs (being genkernel or
dracut or whatever), since it doesn't "boot" the machine again
(contrary to hibernate/whatever-etc.)
My laptop has used dracut since months ago, and suspends/resumes just
fine, as it does my media center.
Regards.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=3D"">
Genkernel doesnt, bugs and work arounds on gentoo bugzilla, with angry
comments from a dev that it wont be supported and to not file bugs for
it - now that dev has moved on I dont know if enough has changed to test
the waters and file a bug again.
Its missing a hook in the initrd to call the binary that starts the
resume process.
I was reading where dracut needs a lot of work still, so despite my
previous bad experiences with genkernel in the past I went that way as
the suspend fix is available. =20
People generally just call it suspend/resume but technically,
suspend/resume is often used to refer to suspend to ram, and hibernate
is for suspend to disk - I use suspend to disk but generally just call
it suspend/resume as (non-tech) people I talk to know what I mean.
Calling it hibernate usually has them asking questions.
It does work, as I said in a previous post, but the whole initrd thing
is a disaster waiting to happen - and dont say to me it works for Red
Hat as proof that it must be good because thats the distro where my most
major initrd embarrassment occurred (update getting missmatched versions
and fail to reboot.)
Your experience may be different to mine, but I am of the once bitten,
twice shy persuasion. Whatever happened to Linux/Unix and its focus on
KISS as a major pillar of its stability?
BillK
</pre>
</blockquote>
<p>well i find genkernel almost the same as compiling regular kernel
as a basis day task.</p>
<p>my systems setup is quite simple with no software raid or using
UUID for something.</p>
<p>i am testing now some Software raid options and lvm.</p>
<p>i dont use hibernation for servers ... so i dont know about it.</p=
>
<p>as it is covered in the handbook to use genkernel i suppose it
pretty stable for testing developers and users.</p>
<p>where can i find this bug list about the genkernel you where
talking about?</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Eliezer<br>
</p>
<p></p>
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