From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1S9GcV-0003oh-Jj for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 13:58:03 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 06EEAE0BED; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 13:57:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yx0-f181.google.com (mail-yx0-f181.google.com [209.85.213.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3814AE0BC7 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 13:56:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenq2 with SMTP id q2so6219518yen.40 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 06:56:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=mEUtTGocnMQFv5+L+2WZfNK9vcvUOTMe5Cnk7GAetRE=; b=eROzmdohoRkwRscBqz2rDtW93MG0AqYYdgC+VNsQk4d4FdBfN9sryfSf9s4vMmnylc 0xTVYyVY9Sqq0AGj6PH8g/7r8vOzKvedP2NBA0/Q9N34ZpEU782Z63r0e0VuTl+bsv5b yY9UqnSA4jElOnrk9vmsfpI7ohTVnVynJkNeJrVriQL/kRNUKRgwEYc95dZXL6Q1Fwvg tLDZY/ZT4MrrASIoQF0thvAnA41g0irkzmxe/SLROPZMJOXEKHIa19hdKSyvkk8xAGAV DD8SjgEuV9VIw6bbcy2NIaPQYhnQT3u7MojA4jQP8CA4CLyUl6TYXy9eOngxXBuC+ZGW jCWg== Received: by 10.100.236.38 with SMTP id j38mr2971879anh.74.1332079007732; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 06:56:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-98-95-214-242.jan.bellsouth.net. [98.95.214.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v27sm30058199yhi.22.2012.03.18.06.56.46 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 18 Mar 2012 06:56:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4F65E99D.20000@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 08:56:45 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120318 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ] References: <709768995.843751.1331957483491.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> <20120317115300.GB3615@acm.acm> <20120318151502.36891b0a@khamul.example.com> In-Reply-To: <20120318151502.36891b0a@khamul.example.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 5d70bdc7-1843-46f2-83e6-262a2394720a X-Archives-Hash: 6f5bb5c2aafd525d7f9e3aeb2bb922bd Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:45:06 -0600 > Canek Pel=E1ez Vald=E9s wrote: >=20 >> * Finally, and what I think is the most fundamental difference between >> systemd and almost any other init system: The service unit files in >> systemd are *declarative*; you tell the daemon *what* to do, not *how* >> to do it. If the service files are shell scripts (like in >> OpenRC/SysV), everything can spiral out of control really easily. And >> it usually does (again, look at sshd; and that one is actully nicely >> written, there are all kind of monsters out there abusing the power >> that shell gives you). >=20 > I'm having a wet dream right about now :-) >=20 > init has been my pet peeve for years, starting with sysvinit. Why do I > need 9 runlevels all fully configured, when me, my machines, the > company's server, every Linux user in the company and every other use I > have ever personally met, only use 1 of them? Let's not even discuss > the amount of complexity that gets pushed into the init scripts > themselves. >=20 > Here's what I want: >=20 > When the machine starts, I want services X, Y and Z to run. The > software figures out what order they must start in and how the deps > work. Clean, neat, easy. >=20 > Maintenance mode is handled easily with two stages in startup: > early_start and late_start. Maintenance mode is what you have between > them. Again - nice, clean and simple. >=20 Well, I am not normal. I, on a regular basis, use single, boot and default runlevels. So there !! lol Dale :-) :-) --=20 I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=3D"--quiet-build=3Dn"