From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1S7udl-000777-L2 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:17:45 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 18968E0AA9; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:17:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.alltele.net (smtp.alltele.net [85.30.0.4]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4853FE0954 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:16:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([87.227.57.71]) by smtp.alltele.net (IceWarp 10.3.6 (2011-12-14)) with ESMTP id YXE71703 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:16:03 +0100 Message-ID: <4F60FC83.3080400@coolmail.se> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:16:03 +0100 From: pk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120301 Thunderbird/10.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-( References: <20120313130534.GB3457@acm.acm> <20120313190052.GA2430@waltdnes.org> <20120313194727.GB2536@acm.acm> <20120313210737.GD2536@acm.acm> <20120313213330.78c5ebf7@digimed.co.uk> <20120313222019.GE2536@acm.acm> <20120313230358.GF2536@acm.acm> <20120314151620.GB24395@acm.acm> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.50 required=7.00 tests=LOCALPART_IN_SUBJECT=1.90,BAYES_60=1.59,SMILEY=-0.50,NO_RDNS2=0.01,MR_DIFF_MID=0.50 version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (1.1) on smtp.alltele.net X-CTCH: RefID="str=0001.0A0B0201.4F60FC84.0201,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0"; Spam="Unknown"; VOD="Unknown" X-Spam-IndexStatus: 0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 9f498a58-e631-4d68-8d38-8bdcd61b7f62 X-Archives-Hash: 83981c68726558a49884f1ce8074c6ee On 2012-03-14 19:45, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: > BIOS is going the way of the dodo too, but that's besides the point. > I'm actually quite happy with the Linux bluetooth stack (which, if I'm > not mistaken, is used by Android). I have several bluetooth thingies, > they all work great. Sorry, but you're gravely mistaken if you think firmware[1] is going anywhere. You can have all the bluetooth thingies you want but why should they be available at boot time, before you can use them? Excepting a bluetooth keyboard, which to me seems broken by design; you're replacing a keyboard with a cable that just works with something that needs a system up and running to function... [1] (U)EFI is only replacing the runtime interface of BIOS (BIOS will remain). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIOS#Changing_role_of_the_BIOS And if you want to ditch BIOS altogheter you need to replace it with something like coreboot or Open Firmware. Best regards Peter K