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From: pk <peterk2@coolmail.se>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:34:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F5F933E.7080304@coolmail.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120313091356.5a947032@khamul.example.com>

On 2012-03-13 08:13, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> I've also thought about this and I also want to ask why?

Hm... me too? :-)

> I stopped using a separate /usr on my workstations a long time ago when
> I realized it was pointless. The days of 5M hard disks when the entire

Ok, you realized it was pointless for *you*, right? It's not a universal
fact, as far as I can see... Recall the previous discussion about this
very same subject, where I compared unix to "lego"? Flexibility is the
keyword here, I think, that some of us do not want to forego. For
instance I can very well see myself indulging in some SSDs that I could
put in my 'puter where one is dedicated for /usr, one for /var and one
for the root file system, whereas I would keep a big normal HDD for /home...

In my opinion there's a lot of "hand waving" that basically says
something like "on a modern desktop system, complex software is needed,
therefore /usr needs to be on the root file system (or mounted via
initrd)"... and states this as a universal fact, without answering the
question "Why?". Isn't it those who wants to change that should answer
why they want to change? And I trust Poetterings/Sievers answer why it
needs to change as far as I can throw either of them (I'm quite weak)...
it's all tied in neatly into their (IMO) overly complex software.

Hm, if we want to be modern, perhaps we should abolish partitions
altogether and put everything in the cloud? That would be "modern",
right? ;-)

I'm running a decent desktop system (Xfce4) and I have /usr on a
separate partition without any initrd... Why would I need to change this
(except from being forced if I continue to use udev)? So far the only
technical reason I've heard that somehow requires udev to have access to
files in /usr is a bluetooth keyboard. Anything else that *needs* to be
working during boot (before a separate /usr can be mounted)? And in my
opinion, if a keyboard needs complex software to work then it's broken
by design.

But I digress, I really should start coding my own solutions, as Canek
says...

Best regards

Peter K



  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-03-13 18:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-10  2:48 [gentoo-user] LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts Dale
2012-03-10  3:44 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-10  4:16   ` Dale
2012-03-10  5:41     ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-10  6:03       ` Dale
2012-03-10  8:45         ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-10  9:45           ` Dale
2012-03-10  9:52             ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-10  9:53             ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-10 10:30               ` Dale
2012-03-10 10:49                 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-10 11:28                   ` Dale
2012-03-10 11:12             ` William Kenworthy
2012-03-10 10:58 ` pk
2012-03-10 15:35   ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-10 20:50     ` pk
2012-03-10 21:01       ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-10 22:12       ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-11  2:36       ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-11  9:37         ` pk
2012-03-11 12:16           ` Jorge Martínez López
2012-03-11 18:26             ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-12 18:13               ` Jorge Martínez López
2012-03-11 20:59             ` [gentoo-user] " walt
2012-03-12 18:23               ` Jorge Martínez López
2012-03-12 18:30                 ` Michael Mol
2012-03-12 18:39                   ` Bruce Hill, Jr.
2012-03-12 20:25                     ` Mick
2012-03-12 20:39                     ` Michael Mol
2012-03-12 20:40                     ` Alan McKinnon
2012-03-12 23:22                     ` Dale
2012-03-12 23:53                       ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-13 15:35                         ` Alan McKinnon
2012-03-13 15:50                           ` Pandu Poluan
2012-03-13  1:58                       ` Mike Edenfield
2012-03-13  4:54                         ` Pandu Poluan
2012-03-13  7:13                           ` Alan McKinnon
2012-03-13  7:31                             ` Pandu Poluan
2012-03-13  7:38                               ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-13  8:03                                 ` Pandu Poluan
2012-03-13 11:07                                 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-13 18:34                             ` pk [this message]
2012-03-14 16:17                             ` Mike Edenfield
2012-03-14 16:28                               ` Pandu Poluan
2012-03-14 22:15                                 ` Mike Edenfield
2012-03-15  1:03                                   ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-15  2:47                                     ` Dale
2012-03-15  9:13                                       ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-15 10:10                                         ` Dale
2012-03-15 10:18                                           ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-15 12:41                                         ` Tanstaafl
2012-03-15 13:05                                           ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-15 13:56                                             ` Tanstaafl
2012-03-15 14:13                                               ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-15 14:13                                               ` Mark Knecht
2012-03-16  5:39                                             ` Joost Roeleveld
2012-03-16  8:47                                               ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-15 14:09                                       ` Mike Edenfield
2012-03-15 14:47                                         ` Michael Mol
2012-03-15 16:37                                           ` Pandu Poluan
2012-03-16 18:14                                         ` Dale
2012-03-15 12:38                                     ` Tanstaafl
2012-03-13  8:09                       ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-13  8:20                         ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-14 14:21                         ` Dale
2012-03-14 14:41                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2012-03-14 14:55                           ` Pandu Poluan
2012-03-13  8:15       ` [gentoo-user] " Walter Dnes
2012-03-11  3:25     ` John Blinka
2012-03-10 17:13 ` Todd Goodman
2012-03-10 21:07   ` Dale

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