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* [gentoo-user] Warning about old init scripts when updating dev-db/mysql-init-scripts-2.0_pre1-r2
@ 2012-02-05 17:00 Tanstaafl
  2012-02-05 17:08 ` Michael Mol
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Tanstaafl @ 2012-02-05 17:00 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

Hello,

Also have this to deal with...

In the emerge post install I get:

WARN: postinst
Old /etc/init.d/mysql and /etc/conf.d/mysql still present!
Update both of those files to the new versions!

But it doesn't say anything about *how* to update them...

Is this documented anywhere? Or is this just evidence that I'm clueless 
(meaning, I should 'just know' what needs to be done)?



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* Re: [gentoo-user] Warning about old init scripts when updating dev-db/mysql-init-scripts-2.0_pre1-r2
  2012-02-05 17:00 [gentoo-user] Warning about old init scripts when updating dev-db/mysql-init-scripts-2.0_pre1-r2 Tanstaafl
@ 2012-02-05 17:08 ` Michael Mol
  2012-02-05 17:19   ` Tanstaafl
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Michael Mol @ 2012-02-05 17:08 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

Probably etc-update.

On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@libertytrek.org> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Also have this to deal with...
>
> In the emerge post install I get:
>
> WARN: postinst
> Old /etc/init.d/mysql and /etc/conf.d/mysql still present!
> Update both of those files to the new versions!
>
> But it doesn't say anything about *how* to update them...
>
> Is this documented anywhere? Or is this just evidence that I'm clueless
> (meaning, I should 'just know' what needs to be done)?
>



-- 
:wq



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* Re: [gentoo-user] Warning about old init scripts when updating dev-db/mysql-init-scripts-2.0_pre1-r2
  2012-02-05 17:08 ` Michael Mol
@ 2012-02-05 17:19   ` Tanstaafl
  2012-02-05 20:06     ` Alan McKinnon
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Tanstaafl @ 2012-02-05 17:19 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user; +Cc: Michael Mol

On 2012-02-05 12:08 PM, Michael Mol <mikemol@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Tanstaafl<tanstaafl@libertytrek.org>  wrote:
>> In the emerge post install I get:
>>
>> WARN: postinst
>> Old /etc/init.d/mysql and /etc/conf.d/mysql still present!
>> Update both of those files to the new versions!
>>
>> But it doesn't say anything about *how* to update them...
>>
>> Is this documented anywhere? Or is this just evidence that I'm clueless
>> (meaning, I should 'just know' what needs to be done)?

 > Probably etc-update.

Nope, ran etc-update and it didn't fix it...



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* Re: [gentoo-user] Warning about old init scripts when updating dev-db/mysql-init-scripts-2.0_pre1-r2
  2012-02-05 17:19   ` Tanstaafl
@ 2012-02-05 20:06     ` Alan McKinnon
  2012-02-06 12:03       ` Tanstaafl
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Alan McKinnon @ 2012-02-05 20:06 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 12:19:33 -0500
Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@libertytrek.org> wrote:

> On 2012-02-05 12:08 PM, Michael Mol <mikemol@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 12:00 PM,
> > Tanstaafl<tanstaafl@libertytrek.org>  wrote:
> >> In the emerge post install I get:
> >>
> >> WARN: postinst
> >> Old /etc/init.d/mysql and /etc/conf.d/mysql still present!
> >> Update both of those files to the new versions!
> >>
> >> But it doesn't say anything about *how* to update them...
> >>
> >> Is this documented anywhere? Or is this just evidence that I'm
> >> clueless (meaning, I should 'just know' what needs to be done)?
> 
>  > Probably etc-update.
> 
> Nope, ran etc-update and it didn't fix it...
> 

You have some other threads going on this and it looks
like you used etc-update or equivalent correctly. In other words, it
should all just work for you. Equally obviously, it doesn't.

In your shoes what I would be doing now is backup your entire mysql
install (everything listed in "equery files mysql"), delete the package
(emerge -C) and remerge mysql.

Then check if starting and stopping works correctly. I suspect you'll
find it will. Now you just need to diff these new files with your
backups and find differences.

Yes, this is sort of the long way round but you're not having much luck
asking "anyone seen this before?", so now it's time to bring out the
big guns

-- 
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com




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* Re: [gentoo-user] Warning about old init scripts when updating dev-db/mysql-init-scripts-2.0_pre1-r2
  2012-02-05 20:06     ` Alan McKinnon
@ 2012-02-06 12:03       ` Tanstaafl
  2012-02-06 12:15         ` Alan McKinnon
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Tanstaafl @ 2012-02-06 12:03 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

On 2012-02-05 3:06 PM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> In your shoes what I would be doing now is backup your entire mysql
> install (everything listed in "equery files mysql"), delete the package
> (emerge -C) and remerge mysql.
>
> Then check if starting and stopping works correctly. I suspect you'll
> find it will. Now you just need to diff these new files with your
> backups and find differences.
>
> Yes, this is sort of the long way round but you're not having much luck
> asking "anyone seen this before?", so now it's time to bring out the
> big guns

Well, I'd much prefer some more basic troubleshooting first...

I've asked for some kind soul/souls to share their init scripts so I can 
compare - but I guess I couldg go first... here is the contents of 
/etc/init.d/mysql:

#!/sbin/runscript
# Copyright 1999-2011 Gentoo Foundation
# Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2
# $Header: 
/var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/dev-db/mysql-init-scripts/files/mysql-5.1.53-init.d,v 
1.1 2011/01/13 20:06:06 robbat2 Exp $

depend() {
         use net.lo
         # localmount needed for $basedir
         need localmount
}

get_config() {
         my_print_defaults --config-file="$1" mysqld |
         sed -n -e "s/^--$2=//p"
}

mysql_svcname() {
         local ebextra=
         case "${SVCNAME}" in
                 mysql*) ;;
                 *) ebextra=" (mysql)" ;;
         esac
         echo "${SVCNAME}${ebextra}"
}

start() {
         # Check for old conf.d variables that mean migration was not 
yet done.
         local varlist="${!mysql_slot_*} ${!MYSQL_BLOG_PID_FILE*} 
${!STOPTIMEOUT*}"
         varlist="${varlist// /}"
         # Yes, MYSQL_INIT_I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING is a hidden variable.
         # It does have a use in testing, as it is possible to build a 
config file
         # that works with both the old and new init scripts simulateously.
         if [ -n "${varlist}" -a -z 
"${MYSQL_INIT_I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING}" ]; then
                 eerror "You have not updated your conf.d for the new 
mysql-init-scripts-2 revamp."
                 eerror "Not proceeding because it may be dangerous."
                 return 1
         fi

         # Now we can startup
         ebegin "Starting $(mysql_svcname)"

         MY_CNF="${MY_CNF:-/etc/${SVCNAME}/my.cnf}"

         if [ ! -r "${MY_CNF}" ] ; then
                 eerror "Cannot read the configuration file \`${MY_CNF}'"
                 return 1
         fi

         # tail -n1 is critical as these we only want the last instance 
of the option
         local basedir=$(get_config "${MY_CNF}" basedir | tail -n1)
         local datadir=$(get_config "${MY_CNF}" datadir | tail -n1)
         local pidfile=$(get_config "${MY_CNF}" pid-file | tail -n1)
         local socket=$(get_config "${MY_CNF}" socket | tail -n1)

         if [ ! -d "${datadir}" ] ; then
                 eerror "MySQL datadir \`${datadir}' is empty or invalid"
                 eerror "Please check your config file \`${MY_CNF}'"
                 return 1
         fi

         if [ ! -d "${datadir}"/mysql ] ; then
                 eerror "You don't appear to have the mysql database 
installed yet."
                 eerror "Please run /usr/bin/mysql_install_db to have 
this done..."
                 return 1
         fi

         local piddir="${pidfile%/*}"
         if [ ! -d "$piddir" ] ; then
                 mkdir "$piddir" && \
                 chown mysql "$piddir"
                 rc=$?
                 if [ $rc -ne 0 ]; then
                         eerror "Directory $piddir for pidfile does not 
exist and cannot be created"
                         return 1
                 fi
         fi

         local startup_timeout=${STARTUP_TIMEOUT:-900}
         local startup_early_timeout=${STARTUP_EARLY_TIMEOUT:-1000}
         local tmpnice="${NICE:+"--nicelevel "}${NICE}"
         local tmpionice="${IONICE:+"--ionice "}${IONICE}"
         start-stop-daemon \
                 ${DEBUG/*/"--verbose"} \
                 --start \
                 --exec "${basedir}"/sbin/mysqld \
                 --pidfile "${pidfile}" \
                 --background \
                 --wait ${startup_early_timeout} \
                 ${tmpnice} \
                 ${tmpionice} \
                 -- --defaults-file="${MY_CNF}" ${MY_ARGS}
         local ret=$?
         if [ ${ret} -ne 0 ] ; then
                 eend ${ret}
                 return ${ret}
         fi

         ewaitfile ${startup_timeout} "${socket}"
         eend $? || return 1

         save_options pidfile "${pidfile}"
         save_options basedir "${basedir}"
}

stop() {
         ebegin "Stopping $(mysql_svcname)"

         local pidfile="$(get_options pidfile)"
         local basedir="$(get_options basedir)"
         local stop_timeout=${STOP_TIMEOUT:-120}

         start-stop-daemon \
                 ${DEBUG/*/"--verbose"} \
                 --stop \
                 --exec "${basedir}"/sbin/mysqld \



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* Re: [gentoo-user] Warning about old init scripts when updating dev-db/mysql-init-scripts-2.0_pre1-r2
  2012-02-06 12:03       ` Tanstaafl
@ 2012-02-06 12:15         ` Alan McKinnon
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Alan McKinnon @ 2012-02-06 12:15 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 07:03:19 -0500
Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@libertytrek.org> wrote:

> On 2012-02-05 3:06 PM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In your shoes what I would be doing now is backup your entire mysql
> > install (everything listed in "equery files mysql"), delete the
> > package (emerge -C) and remerge mysql.
> >
> > Then check if starting and stopping works correctly. I suspect
> > you'll find it will. Now you just need to diff these new files with
> > your backups and find differences.
> >
> > Yes, this is sort of the long way round but you're not having much
> > luck asking "anyone seen this before?", so now it's time to bring
> > out the big guns
> 
> Well, I'd much prefer some more basic troubleshooting first...
> 
> I've asked for some kind soul/souls to share their init scripts so I
> can compare - but I guess I couldg go first... here is the contents
> of /etc/init.d/mysql:
> 
> #!/sbin/runscript
> # Copyright 1999-2011 Gentoo Foundation
> # Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2
> # $Header: 
> /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/dev-db/mysql-init-scripts/files/mysql-5.1.53-init.d,v 
> 1.1 2011/01/13 20:06:06 robbat2 Exp $
> 
> depend() {
>          use net.lo
>          # localmount needed for $basedir
>          need localmount
> }
> 
> get_config() {
>          my_print_defaults --config-file="$1" mysqld |
>          sed -n -e "s/^--$2=//p"
> }
> 
> mysql_svcname() {
>          local ebextra=
>          case "${SVCNAME}" in
>                  mysql*) ;;
>                  *) ebextra=" (mysql)" ;;
>          esac
>          echo "${SVCNAME}${ebextra}"
> }
> 
> start() {
>          # Check for old conf.d variables that mean migration was not 
> yet done.
>          local varlist="${!mysql_slot_*} ${!MYSQL_BLOG_PID_FILE*} 
> ${!STOPTIMEOUT*}"
>          varlist="${varlist// /}"
>          # Yes, MYSQL_INIT_I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING is a hidden
> variable. # It does have a use in testing, as it is possible to build
> a config file
>          # that works with both the old and new init scripts
> simulateously. if [ -n "${varlist}" -a -z 
> "${MYSQL_INIT_I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING}" ]; then
>                  eerror "You have not updated your conf.d for the new 
> mysql-init-scripts-2 revamp."
>                  eerror "Not proceeding because it may be dangerous."
>                  return 1
>          fi
> 
>          # Now we can startup
>          ebegin "Starting $(mysql_svcname)"
> 
>          MY_CNF="${MY_CNF:-/etc/${SVCNAME}/my.cnf}"
> 
>          if [ ! -r "${MY_CNF}" ] ; then
>                  eerror "Cannot read the configuration file
> \`${MY_CNF}'" return 1
>          fi
> 
>          # tail -n1 is critical as these we only want the last
> instance of the option
>          local basedir=$(get_config "${MY_CNF}" basedir | tail -n1)
>          local datadir=$(get_config "${MY_CNF}" datadir | tail -n1)
>          local pidfile=$(get_config "${MY_CNF}" pid-file | tail -n1)
>          local socket=$(get_config "${MY_CNF}" socket | tail -n1)
> 
>          if [ ! -d "${datadir}" ] ; then
>                  eerror "MySQL datadir \`${datadir}' is empty or
> invalid" eerror "Please check your config file \`${MY_CNF}'"
>                  return 1
>          fi
> 
>          if [ ! -d "${datadir}"/mysql ] ; then
>                  eerror "You don't appear to have the mysql database 
> installed yet."
>                  eerror "Please run /usr/bin/mysql_install_db to have 
> this done..."
>                  return 1
>          fi
> 
>          local piddir="${pidfile%/*}"
>          if [ ! -d "$piddir" ] ; then
>                  mkdir "$piddir" && \
>                  chown mysql "$piddir"
>                  rc=$?
>                  if [ $rc -ne 0 ]; then
>                          eerror "Directory $piddir for pidfile does
> not exist and cannot be created"
>                          return 1
>                  fi
>          fi
> 
>          local startup_timeout=${STARTUP_TIMEOUT:-900}
>          local startup_early_timeout=${STARTUP_EARLY_TIMEOUT:-1000}
>          local tmpnice="${NICE:+"--nicelevel "}${NICE}"
>          local tmpionice="${IONICE:+"--ionice "}${IONICE}"
>          start-stop-daemon \
>                  ${DEBUG/*/"--verbose"} \
>                  --start \
>                  --exec "${basedir}"/sbin/mysqld \
>                  --pidfile "${pidfile}" \
>                  --background \
>                  --wait ${startup_early_timeout} \
>                  ${tmpnice} \
>                  ${tmpionice} \
>                  -- --defaults-file="${MY_CNF}" ${MY_ARGS}
>          local ret=$?
>          if [ ${ret} -ne 0 ] ; then
>                  eend ${ret}
>                  return ${ret}
>          fi
> 
>          ewaitfile ${startup_timeout} "${socket}"
>          eend $? || return 1
> 
>          save_options pidfile "${pidfile}"
>          save_options basedir "${basedir}"
> }
> 
> stop() {
>          ebegin "Stopping $(mysql_svcname)"
> 
>          local pidfile="$(get_options pidfile)"
>          local basedir="$(get_options basedir)"
>          local stop_timeout=${STOP_TIMEOUT:-120}
> 
>          start-stop-daemon \
>                  ${DEBUG/*/"--verbose"} \
>                  --stop \
>                  --exec "${basedir}"/sbin/mysqld \
> 

FWIW, here's mine (spaced between lines of "====" to be easy to find).
Both are largely unchanged from default:

=======
/etc/conf.d/mysql:
# Copyright 1999-2011 Gentoo Foundation
# Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2
#
$Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/dev-db/mysql-init-scripts/files/mysql-5.1.53-conf.d,v
1.2 2011/01/15 17:54:31 robbat2 Exp $

# If you want a non-stock location for the config file, uncomment or
update # either of these as needed. If you do use it, you must make
sure that none of # your socket, pidfile, datadir, logfiles, binary
logs, relay logs or InnoDB # files collide with each other.
MY_CNF="/etc/mysql/my.cnf"
#MY_CNF="${MY_CNF:-/etc/${SVCNAME}/my.cnf}"
#MY_CNF="${MY_CNF:-/etc/mysql/my-${SVCNAME/mysql.}.cnf}"

# Place any additional arguments here that you might need
# Common/useful options:
# --skip-slave-start=1 - For bringing up replication initially
# --server-id=NNN - Server ID for replication
# --skip-networking - lock it down to UNIX sockets only
MY_ARGS=""

# This setting (in seconds) should be high enough to allow InnoDB to do
a full # checkpoint recovery. 900 is the default used in the upstream
RPM startup # scripts. 30 seconds should be sufficent if you just have
a tiny <1GiB # database. After the core startup is done, we wait this
long for the UNIX # socket to appear.
STARTUP_TIMEOUT="900"

# This is how long, in milliseconds, we wait for pidfile to be created,
early # in the startup.
STARTUP_EARLY_TIMEOUT="1000"

# How long (in seconds) should we wait for shutdown?
STOP_TIMEOUT=120

# integer [-20 .. 19 ] default 0
# change the priority of the server -20 (high) to 19 (low)
# see nice(1) for description
#NICE=0

# See start-stop-daemon(8) for possible settings
#IONICE=2

# If defined, --verbose gets passed to S-S-D
#DEBUG=1

# Depending on your usage of MySQL, you may also wish to start it after
some # other services are up. Uncomment the lines below as needed. If
these aren't # enough for you, we encourage you to file a bug, and help
us understand how # you are using MySQL.

# Do your MySQL ACLs refer to hostnames not in your /etc/hosts?
# If so, you need DNS before you can accept connections.
# Avoid dependency circular loops if you use MySQL to power a local DNS
server. #rc_use="dns"
#rc_after="dns"

# Does your MySQL bind to an IP on an interface other than net.lo?
# Alternatively you might wish to specify the exact interface here.
#rc_use="net"
#rc_after="net"

# Do you store your MySQL files on a SAN or other network filesystem,
that is # provided by the netmount init script?
#rc_need="netmount"

# Or from NFS? P.S. This is not a good idea in most cases, but does
have some # valid usage cases, so we provide the option.
#rc_need="nfsmount"

# Should any one of the instances satisfy the requirement for MySQL
coming up? # By default, we say no.
[ "${SVCNAME}" != mysql ] && rc_provide="!mysql"
# But uncomment this next instead if you think it should.
#rc_provide="mysql"

# The conditional above has a false-positive "failure" return value as a
# side-effect, and since it's the last statement, without the next
line, this # script returns failure.
return 0
# vim: ft=gentoo-conf-d et ts=4 sw=4:
=======

=======
/etc/init.smysql:
#!/sbin/runscript
# Copyright 1999-2011 Gentoo Foundation
# Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2
#
$Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/dev-db/mysql-init-scripts/files/mysql-5.1.53-init.d,v
1.1 2011/01/13 20:06:06 robbat2 Exp $

depend() {
        use net.lo
        # localmount needed for $basedir
        need localmount
}

get_config() {
        my_print_defaults --config-file="$1" mysqld |
        sed -n -e "s/^--$2=//p"
}

mysql_svcname() {
        local ebextra=
        case "${SVCNAME}" in
                mysql*) ;;
                *) ebextra=" (mysql)" ;;
        esac
        echo "${SVCNAME}${ebextra}"
}

start() {
        # Check for old conf.d variables that mean migration was not
yet done. local varlist="${!mysql_slot_*} ${!MYSQL_BLOG_PID_FILE*}
${!STOPTIMEOUT*}" varlist="${varlist// /}"
        # Yes, MYSQL_INIT_I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING is a hidden variable.
        # It does have a use in testing, as it is possible to build a
config file # that works with both the old and new init scripts
simulateously. if [ -n "${varlist}" -a -z
"${MYSQL_INIT_I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING}" ]; then eerror "You have not
updated your conf.d for the new mysql-init-scripts-2 revamp." eerror
"Not proceeding because it may be dangerous." return 1
        fi

        # Now we can startup
        ebegin "Starting $(mysql_svcname)"

        MY_CNF="${MY_CNF:-/etc/${SVCNAME}/my.cnf}"

        if [ ! -r "${MY_CNF}" ] ; then
                eerror "Cannot read the configuration file \`${MY_CNF}'"
                return 1
        fi

        # tail -n1 is critical as these we only want the last instance
        of the option local basedir=$(get_config "${MY_CNF}" basedir |
        tail -n1) local datadir=$(get_config "${MY_CNF}" datadir | tail
        -n1) local pidfile=$(get_config "${MY_CNF}" pid-file | tail -n1)
        local socket=$(get_config "${MY_CNF}" socket | tail -n1)

        if [ ! -d "${datadir}" ] ; then
                eerror "MySQL datadir \`${datadir}' is empty or invalid"
                eerror "Please check your config file \`${MY_CNF}'"
                return 1
        fi

        if [ ! -d "${datadir}"/mysql ] ; then
                eerror "You don't appear to have the mysql database
        installed yet." eerror "Please run /usr/bin/mysql_install_db to
        have this done..." return 1
        fi

        local piddir="${pidfile%/*}"
        if [ ! -d "$piddir" ] ; then
                mkdir "$piddir" && \
                chown mysql "$piddir"
                rc=$?
                if [ $rc -ne 0 ]; then
                        eerror "Directory $piddir for pidfile does not
        exist and cannot be created" return 1
                fi
        fi

        local startup_timeout=${STARTUP_TIMEOUT:-900}
        local startup_early_timeout=${STARTUP_EARLY_TIMEOUT:-1000}
        local tmpnice="${NICE:+"--nicelevel "}${NICE}"
        local tmpionice="${IONICE:+"--ionice "}${IONICE}"
        start-stop-daemon \
                ${DEBUG/*/"--verbose"} \
                --start \
                --exec "${basedir}"/sbin/mysqld \
                --pidfile "${pidfile}" \
                --background \
                --wait ${startup_early_timeout} \
                ${tmpnice} \
                ${tmpionice} \
                -- --defaults-file="${MY_CNF}" ${MY_ARGS}
        local ret=$?
        if [ ${ret} -ne 0 ] ; then
                eend ${ret}
                return ${ret}
        fi

        ewaitfile ${startup_timeout} "${socket}"
        eend $? || return 1

        save_options pidfile "${pidfile}"
        save_options basedir "${basedir}"
}

stop() {
        ebegin "Stopping $(mysql_svcname)"

        local pidfile="$(get_options pidfile)"
        local basedir="$(get_options basedir)"
        local stop_timeout=${STOP_TIMEOUT:-120}

        start-stop-daemon \
                ${DEBUG/*/"--verbose"} \
                --stop \
                --exec "${basedir}"/sbin/mysqld \
                --pidfile "${pidfile}" \
                --retry ${stop_timeout}
        eend $?
}
# vim: filetype=gentoo-init-d sw=2 ts=2 sts=2 noet:
=======

-- 
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com




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