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[98.95.147.47]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p63sm44588468yhj.22.2012.02.01.05.41.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 01 Feb 2012 05:41:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F294109.7080406@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 07:41:29 -0600 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:9.0.1) Gecko/20120120 Firefox/9.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.6.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Floppy support question for old farts. lol References: <4F2546BC.3010608@gmail.com> <4F258AAF.9090504@gmail.com> <4F26939E.3030003@kutulu.org> <4F2696A7.40407@hadt.biz> <006801ccdfc3$ff31c3d0$fd954b70$@kutulu.org> <4F281F48.5060008@hadt.biz> <20120131173027.GA27928@waltdnes.org> <73e6ccd61f22ed7435833eb0727d7604.squirrel@www.antarean.org> <4F28CF6B.4010507@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 5c306e4b-ceec-4821-b8f6-274c56f441fd X-Archives-Hash: e46b9cb775ed41d4d96eadc1ccc581b2 Michael Mol wrote: > On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:36 AM, Dale wrote: >> J. Roeleveld wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, January 31, 2012 6:30 pm, Walter Dnes wrote: >>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 06:05:12PM +0100, Michael Hampicke wrote >>>>>> Sweet. I had 15 minutes in the office "how long before someone makes a >>>>> pointless, unrelated Windows insult out of my post" pool; I just won >>>>> $5. >>>>> >>>>> I was using Win3.1 - and was happy with it >>>>> I was using Win95 - and was happy with it >>>>> I was using WinNT4 - and was happy with it >>>>> I was using Win2000 - and was happy with it >>>>> I was using Win Server 2003 - and was happy with it >>>>> I was using Win7 - and was happy with it >>>>> >>>>> And I am also a Linux SuSe user since 6.0 and Gentoo user since >>>>> 1.something (but up until now just on the servers). >>>>> >>>>> I made the final switch from Windows to Linux on my Workstation (Gentoo) >>>>> and Notebook (Lubuntu) only a few month ago. >>>>> >>>>> So please, don't accuse me of making Windows insults. >>>> >>>> I feel that Win98SE was the best Windows ever, and could've been even >>>> more of a killer if Microsoft hadn't so stupidly tried to ram ActiveX >>>> down people's throats. Remove ActiveX, and 99% of "drive-by-downloads" >>>> would've disappeared. WinME was a sad joke, however. >>> >>> I enjoyed MS Dos, then played a bit with MS Win3.11, MS Win95 and MS Win98SE. >>> However, for important stuff, like day-to-day desktop, I switched to Linux >>> in 1997. That was the last time I lost files due to a crash of MS >>> Windows... >>> >>> -- >>> Joost >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> When 3.1 came out, I changed jobs. Swapping 15 floppies is no fun to >> me. Funny, reinstalling fixed the problems back then and it still is >> the best way to fix windoze. >> >> < sighs > > > Actually, the reason for that's pretty easy to explain. It's because > Windows, unlike every major Linux distribution since Apt, wasn't > designed around pulling software from centralized repositories. > Instead, ISVs were expected to provide installers, which users were > expected to obtain from outside channels and run. That seems archaic > to Linux users, but even Red Hat was like that before yum. > > Since there was no centralized, curated software repository maintained > by people ensuring things worked properly together, you got everything > from DLL hell to developers violating Microsoft's recommendations > (and, considering that Microsoft *designed the platform*, you can > consider their recommendations as part of the platform spec) and good > development practice. So you have things like: > > * People bypassing APIs and munging registry keys directly. This would > be like a Linux app going in and modifying Debian's package database > without going through an intermediate library kept in lockstep with > the package manager code. Eventually, one's going to behave in a way > the other isn't going to expect, and either the package database will > become corrupt ("f'ing $OSVENDOR! Their stuff keeps breaking!", the > user will curse), or the application will stop working ("F'ing > $OSVENDOR! They keep breaking my stuff!") > > * People not bothering to understand DLL search paths, and getting > into the habit of dropping their DLL into the SYSTEM32 folder. That > would be like manually building and installing a package to /usr/ > instead of /usr/local, or a library in /usr/lib or /usr/local/lib with > an improper soname. Eventually, you risk changing the behavior of an > unrelated app, or having an unrelated app change your app's behavior, > all because a couple DLLs had the same name and no differentiating > metadata. > > * People only ever testing their programs while they have > Administrator privileges, and so their programs only ever work > correctly while running as Administrator. This would be like an app > found in /usr/bin assuming it can write anywhere it pleases, call any > API call it needs, and doing some marginally unsafe things with system > calls. To get it to work properly, you'd have to make it suid root, > and it'd be a vulnerability vector. > > The analogies aren't perfect, but the points still stand. Sad thing > is, if and when Microsoft takes steps toward a repository model (these > days, people like to call them app stores) they'll be lambasted as > being evil for applying a gateway to the platform, even though it's > going to be a necessary step to fixing a lot of what's wrong with the > development culture on that platform. > > Linux isn't perfect in these regards, but the combination of being > open source, of distros having their own software repositories and of > distro maintainers feeding fixes upstream is an exceedingly effective > combination. Linux systems don't accrue systemic cruft nearly as > rapidly as Windows systems, in large part because of the forced > cooperation applied by the LSB and by distro maintainers. > > Cruft buildup can still happen, though, and that's why "emerge -e > @world" exists. And, actually, that's a pretty analogous action to > reinstalling Windows. It's just much easier, and does a better job of > retaining user and application settings. > So basically, WINDOZE SUCKS !!!! LOL Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--quiet-build=n"