[gentoo-user] advice about Gentoo (Oracle, Java, VMWare...)

[gentoo-user] advice about Gentoo (Oracle, Java, VMWare...)

[Mihamina Rakotomandimby]

Hi all,

I have been a former user, and in my new occupation I think Gentoo could 
be a perfect tool.

Context
- I admin a server for PHP and Java Web developers
- I have to run a Gentoo host which have LXC guests (also Gentoo-only).
- About the LXC guests
-- 1 LXC guest with PHP4 (with custom ./configure options)
-- 1 LXC guest with PHP 5.2 (with custom ./configure options)
-- 1 LXC guest with PHP 5.3 (with custom ./configure options)
-- 1 LXC guest with Tomcat + Oracle + Oracle's Java
- I'll also need to host several ready to boot VMWare Windows VM images
   (containing IE6, for compatibility tests): I guess I'll have to
   install a VMWare server
- I *only* want to install with the distribution packaging tool.

Is Gentoo a good choice? I think yes because:
- Installing PHP4, PHP5.2 is just about unmasking and install
- Installing VMWare server is easy

But...
- Installing Oracle's Java is not so easy: http://goo.gl/tbBFW


I master Debian based administration with some knowledges of packaging, 
but this is the fisrt time I have to deal with Sun/Oracles products 
which I know are not really Linux friendly.

What's your opinion?

-- 
RMA.

[gentoo-user] Re: advice about Gentoo (Oracle, Java, VMWare...)

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 01/26/2012 02:05 PM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
> But...
> - Installing Oracle's Java is not so easy: http://goo.gl/tbBFW

This isn't Java.  To install Oracle's Java on Gentoo, simply emerge 
"dev-java/oracle-jdk-bin" and you're set.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: advice about Gentoo (Oracle, Java, VMWare...)

[Andrés Becerra Sandoval]

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On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 7:33 AM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@arcor.de> wrote:

> On 01/26/2012 02:05 PM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
>
>> But...
>> - Installing Oracle's Java is not so easy: http://goo.gl/tbBFW
>>
>
> This isn't Java.  To install Oracle's Java on Gentoo, simply emerge
> "dev-java/oracle-jdk-bin" and you're set.
>
>
>
Yes, do:

$ echo "dev-java/oracle-jdk-bin Oracle-BCLA-JavaSE" >>
/etc/portage/package.license
$ emerge -f oracle-jdk-bin

and portage will tell you from which Oracle webpage you can manully
download java.

Put the file in distfiles and emerge it.

The only drawback: periodically you have to repeat the manual download.

-- 
  Andrés Becerra Sandoval

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: advice about Gentoo (Oracle, Java, VMWare...)

[Mihamina Rakotomandimby]

On 01/26/2012 03:33 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>> Installing Oracle's Java is not so easy: http://goo.gl/tbBFW
> This isn't Java.

Yes, sorry, this is not Java, it's Oracle DB, but I'll have to setup an 
Oracle database too.

Is it really that complicated for that particular software?

-- 
RMA.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: advice about Gentoo (Oracle, Java, VMWare...)

[Alan McKinnon]

On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:19:38 +0300
Mihamina Rakotomandimby <mihamina@rktmb.org> wrote:

> On 01/26/2012 03:33 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >> Installing Oracle's Java is not so easy: http://goo.gl/tbBFW
> > This isn't Java.
> 
> Yes, sorry, this is not Java, it's Oracle DB, but I'll have to setup
> an Oracle database too.
> 
> Is it really that complicated for that particular software?
> 

Dude,

It's Oracle. 

Yes, everything they have works that complicatedly.

If you think installing it is complex, wait till you actually try to
*use* it.

-- 
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: advice about Gentoo (Oracle, Java, VMWare...)

[Mihamina Rakotomandimby]

On 01/27/2012 10:48 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>>> Installing Oracle's Java is not so easy: http://goo.gl/tbBFW
>>> This isn't Java.
>> Yes, sorry, this is not Java, it's Oracle DB, but I'll have to setup
>> an Oracle database too.
>> Is it really that complicated for that particular software?
> Dude,
> It's Oracle.
> Yes, everything they have works that complicatedly.

Well,...

> If you think installing it is complex, wait till you actually try to
> *use* it.

You scared me...
At least, I've been warned ;-)

I also had a look at that Oracle DB install on CentOS
(http://goo.gl/v5lFF), not better...

Thank you all.

-- 
RMA.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: advice about Gentoo (Oracle, Java, VMWare...)

[Paul Hartman]

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:19:38 +0300
> Mihamina Rakotomandimby <mihamina@rktmb.org> wrote:
>
>> On 01/26/2012 03:33 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>> >> Installing Oracle's Java is not so easy: http://goo.gl/tbBFW
>> > This isn't Java.
>>
>> Yes, sorry, this is not Java, it's Oracle DB, but I'll have to setup
>> an Oracle database too.
>>
>> Is it really that complicated for that particular software?
>>
>
> Dude,
>
> It's Oracle.
>
> Yes, everything they have works that complicatedly.
>
> If you think installing it is complex, wait till you actually try to
> *use* it.

I've never had the pleasure of using Oracle database, but everyone
I've ever talked to who has used it professionally tells me how bad it
is, how bad the tools are, how it's all overly complicated just for
the sake of being complicated so you're forced to hire Oracle support
to help.

Re: [gentoo-user] advice about Gentoo (Oracle, Java, VMWare...)

[AGagliardi]

Il 26/01/2012 13:05, Mihamina Rakotomandimby ha scritto:
> Context
> - I admin a server for PHP and Java Web developers
> - I have to run a Gentoo host which have LXC guests (also Gentoo-only).
> - About the LXC guests
> -- 1 LXC guest with PHP4 (with custom ./configure options)
> -- 1 LXC guest with PHP 5.2 (with custom ./configure options)
> -- 1 LXC guest with PHP 5.3 (with custom ./configure options)
> -- 1 LXC guest with Tomcat + Oracle + Oracle's Java
> - I'll also need to host several ready to boot VMWare Windows VM images
>   (containing IE6, for compatibility tests): I guess I'll have to
>   install a VMWare server
> - I *only* want to install with the distribution packaging tool.
>
> Is Gentoo a good choice? I think yes because:
> - Installing PHP4, PHP5.2 is just about unmasking and install
> - Installing VMWare server is easy
>
> But...
> - Installing Oracle's Java is not so easy: http://goo.gl/tbBFW

I love Gentoo but why not PROXMOX VR (2.0) as virtualization backend 
(kvm and vm)

kvm as virtualization system (uses vmware images)
openvz as containers of different os (gentoo, centos, etc)

you will not have problems in mantain host system just guests
vmware-server seems to be disappeard from gentoo tree and trust me it's 
terrible (also stops at 2.6.28 kernel due to big kernel lock)

andrea

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