From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Riyu1-0007JH-23 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 01:47:29 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D976021C287; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 01:47:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gy0-f181.google.com (mail-gy0-f181.google.com [209.85.160.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BD9521C24F for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 01:45:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghrr19 with SMTP id r19so577061ghr.40 for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 17:45:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fmnj1NVY58J8vGhBVzYNL4haSeBXMu9THVli1K5mrOc=; b=mwQjBxn/2jmDxco6RKG0g3MHwYJlg7t58qJh69yVbCQG+dlmIv3WbPNUPD0KammvFF J/5vmBT4PudM14YzqrWJUYV9kSSrN8qwx1cjuYR7k8VhCp16V+sNY/vJyxDRX/xSGp0V 7b8cmUn4Gz+zDxmvyaNDqLsv+igN8pF8xzv3Q= Received: by 10.236.9.106 with SMTP id 70mr4790775yhs.118.1325814307120; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 17:45:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-65-0-65-42.jan.bellsouth.net. [65.0.65.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c44sm84983657yhm.5.2012.01.05.17.45.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 05 Jan 2012 17:45:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F065220.30004@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 19:45:04 -0600 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20120104 Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3 References: <20120103131346.GC2410@nicolas-desktop> <20120103143120.GF2410@nicolas-desktop> <20120103221555.22c778a3@digimed.co.uk> <4F038C23.5030708@gmail.com> <20120105100149.GA2443@nicolas-desktop> <20120105220807.GC1263@vidovic> <20120106001036.5974967a@rohan.example.com> In-Reply-To: <20120106001036.5974967a@rohan.example.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 192634fa-9be5-40e6-9038-ecb1109fbe8a X-Archives-Hash: 612f17d6dccd84025e991b997cd8a474 Alan McKinnon wrote: > I see that as a liability not a feature. Our routers have very clear > naming conventions for interfaces and they are exactly how Cisco > enumerates them and no other way. It's a firing offense to dick with > them and dream up useless "descriptive names". Mind you, these for the > most part are big iron with several 1000 interfaces each and 100+ > support personnel working on them. But even the on-site routers and > firewalls at customer premises have the same rule. I assume we are > talking about kit that routes properly (whether a Unix or something > else is not relevant) and not some joke system. As for NICs that do > not come up at boot time in a consistent order, if any piece of > hardware in our DC did that it would be sent right back to the vendor > labeled as a piece of shit with a demand for a refund. FFS, if my boss > shells out 3 months wages for some iron and it can't even get > something that basic correct, I start to wonder what else might be > dodgy. There is ZERO excuse for a system that cannot deterministically > enumerate it's fixed devices at boot time. I have a couple desktop rigs. I had a card that would sometimes not do right and change the order of my cards numbering. Since it was earlier than the card that hooked to my modem, it would mess up my connection to the internet. The card was eth0 and I had internet coming through on eth2. That rig now has two nics. The defective nic was removed. It has a new address called /dev/dump. It may be a desktop rig but I like them being recognized the same each time I reboot. Although, I forgot about being able to give them names. < scratches chin > Nah, I'll leave well enough alone. It's working and we don't mess with what is working, except for Fedora devs. lol Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--quiet-build=n"