From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RhmqI-0000wy-8p for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 18:42:42 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EC6DD21C39B; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 18:42:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gy0-f181.google.com (mail-gy0-f181.google.com [209.85.160.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4702121C37D for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 18:38:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghrr19 with SMTP id r19so6210405ghr.40 for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 10:38:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wg17LkjR9vVTQksaz/huWhT2AN7NrvsiQSBbT5yURVY=; b=KpNM52V/h6gQxZXof8LIuLP9Zr1CGXxHY7ikJyhIgoW7KIryhBKdnzWEsTghne+kug gaoPBSNvJo5E4qkcgSTq8bxs0XD+Cn7/8WESbsWnDwVU7lPZXj5p+VXn/ItgzPcqurJs utltIHshlbld3lqsIuF/wwCTM6DzRrl2imWLw= Received: by 10.236.181.168 with SMTP id l28mr48075675yhm.53.1325529525719; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 10:38:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-65-0-65-42.jan.bellsouth.net. [65.0.65.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n5sm70204879yhk.1.2012.01.02.10.38.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 02 Jan 2012 10:38:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F01F9B3.7080306@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 12:38:43 -0600 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111022 Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior References: <4F00D521.1030702@orlitzky.com> <4F00DA52.1060504@gmail.com> <20120102115809.5259d3cf@rohan.example.com> <4F0184BB.5010307@gmail.com> <20120102125606.108b752b@rohan.example.com> <4F018FB8.1050001@gmail.com> <20120102133646.39d3583a@digimed.co.uk> <4F01B62C.2050104@orlitzky.com> <20120102170544.1e1a5036@rohan.example.com> <4F01CC8A.2090401@orlitzky.com> <20120102162512.GA3564@eisen.localdomain> <4F01DCB0.2060402@orlitzky.com> In-Reply-To: <4F01DCB0.2060402@orlitzky.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: a85373a7-a62c-4f37-bfeb-c3f87628cfdb X-Archives-Hash: 6276bcd77cd234023ab359c35a0d6bb9 Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 01/02/2012 11:25 AM, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: >> >> Look at it this way: >> with emerge you tell portage to install a package and add=20 >> it to >> world. Period. The package will be installed, no matter whether it=E2=80= =99s=20 >> at the >> newest version or not. With -u, however, you tell emerge to only do t= he >> installation if the package is actually upgradable. So it=E2=80=99s n= ot an=20 >> action >> (=E2=80=9Cupgrade this package=E2=80=9D), but an option (=E2=80=9Cinst= all only if upgradable=E2=80=9D). > > I have no problem seeing it that way, and don't have a semantic=20 > preference for one or the other. My problem is that the current=20 > behavior can screw up your world file, whereas the old behavior could=20 > not. > > Plus the only way to fix this is to override it in make.conf with the=20 --oneshot option. To me, when you have to fix something like this,=20 something is not done right. I like the way Frank explained this. That was my point way back. Dale :-) :-) --=20 I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or = how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=3D"--quiet-build=3Dn"