From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RV4Zn-0008Mx-8I for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:01:07 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7C0E821C142; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:00:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (out2.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266A821C065 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:59:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.43]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993DA21480 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:59:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend2.nyi.mail.srv.osa ([10.202.2.161]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:59:18 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=binarywings.net; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; s=mesmtp; bh=VtBkUJwgBQwbfH9m+bBdFjVt qhw=; b=UrKmkQn5m+CTBMcyP2zudbNh6nd8xYRbb7mCq0rC2KR1/9Y0WxdejcYh WC8fjdzJjPiHp1X83njtt6k4lrvmc6TXF9K5a8eDvHXcDpU1vI4bcX9sic8lFxAR am4ckHN+8jPsUl2M8j5w+fwmmn7GCkxg/IHSYZ+qeB/wswT9hdY= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; s=smtpout; bh=VtBk UJwgBQwbfH9m+bBdFjVtqhw=; b=Uy6g2P0NM8mpKzTR+7SOSd6y69hvpM2UK8mC Fvqlp3rtFLgDSyAmEJrGLJdoWR0SH1TxXH30RDY/efzaLlTFs51qKtDZGgRgsPSO jJXDN6UMb99BfxzxlexMjYBs75cW8KFI70+6WuWHDtFQa9jZf0djqWlldJoxbNBW +6qRKwE= X-Sasl-enc: WwHTLlxcZue1iFvCkhEt0GEe+yaI6QS0+sLdCMInEinU 1322499556 Received: from [192.168.5.18] (serv.binarywings.net [83.169.5.6]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9082C4824CE for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:59:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4ED3BDD4.4060704@binarywings.net> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:59:00 +0100 From: Florian Philipp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111031 Thunderbird/7.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: What happened to OpenRC 0.9.6? References: <4ED28F6A.7090606@alyf.net> <1322483386.66469.4.camel@stretch> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4a1pre Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig34863C38DA9CCDFA120D32CE" X-Archives-Salt: 292d7ee2-1e17-40b4-999b-cdd68de117f9 X-Archives-Hash: 2c01eff9e63517aef53431c49bfb1f28 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig34863C38DA9CCDFA120D32CE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am 28.11.2011 17:15, schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: > On 11/28/2011 02:29 PM, Albert W. Hopkins wrote: >> On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 20:28 +0100, Andrea Conti wrote: >>> With 100% repeatability, mind you, which does raise same questions on= >>> the amount of testing done before release. Yes, it's ~arch and >>> rc_parallel is explicitly marked "experimental", but it's not expecte= d >>> to be completely and consistently broken, either. >>> >>> If that sounds like I'm ranting, it's because I just spent about an >>> hour >>> getting three machines affected by this problem back into working >>> state. >>> >>> If anyone still has it installed, it's time to sync and downgrade :) >> >> Sorry to add more to the whining but... >> >> Yes, you are in the testing tree. Yes, as a member of testing, *you* >> expect things will occasionally break, and it is *your* job to test >> things, break them, and report bugs. >=20 > Generally true, but not when something is obviously broken. That means= > not even its upstream dev bothered to test it. >=20 > ~arch is for "we think this works, but please give it a go in case ther= e > are problems". It's *not* for "we have no idea if this works because w= e > didn't even try it once". >=20 >=20 Do you have any idea how much time you can spend with the kind of system testing you propose? Most companies don't do what you expect from part-time devs. You either have provide means to automate it or outsource it with very cheap labor. Otherwise it will never be done (talking from experience here). However, "dev labor" is expensive since it is limited and better spent on other issues. Automating tests for a reasonable subset of openrc's parameter space is also a tricky issue. Therefore you have to resort to cheap voluntarily provided "user labor" by means of ~arch. And it worked, didn't it? You found a bug before it entered stable. Now give yourself a pat on the shoulder for your accomplishment and go back to stable if you value your time so high that you don't want to chase bug= s. 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