From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RCFzr-0007oz-Ro for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 19:22:16 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F59521C176; Fri, 7 Oct 2011 19:22:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yx0-f181.google.com (mail-yx0-f181.google.com [209.85.213.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5584321C0E7 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2011 19:20:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxk30 with SMTP id 30so5403241yxk.40 for ; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 12:20:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rRCDiaK0git+99E7r0l5jPYExp6r8uSHDr/avvgfo98=; b=NT1u5PUmTzHH09czrdYE4cAtMAjwaPSMUeixNKrnfayavWbpacECfoiBMMakGxNJCp kdLcg/tr/QAN55KWuVDo0dAIF5L4SVvnR3Z/BEgn7g41JAb+7lynN66yhZSI6fzxkTCC nZa8OQSSfDYFktDH0FLocC9DwKqJ7ekCrHVfE= Received: by 10.100.254.2 with SMTP id b2mr1855469ani.138.1318015234864; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 12:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-98-95-215-244.jan.bellsouth.net. [98.95.215.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v20sm27182888anv.17.2011.10.07.12.20.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 07 Oct 2011 12:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E8F5100.70808@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:20:32 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111002 Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: change and improvement References: <4E8AD6C4.7070901@gmail.com> <20111005162007.GA5820@badass.gateway.2wire.net> <20111005184721.01af0bda@toxic.dbnet> <201110060018.50015.peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org> <20111006102023.4471babe@toxic.dbnet> <4E8E0112.3010208@orlitzky.com> <20111006230040.04f9af0f@toxic.dbnet> <4E8E72B3.9070703@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: abc4584a22ee5e69c9686f902eaa8b43 Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2011-10-07, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote: > >> In the end, udev was making huge advances, and HAL could not keep up >> simply because the other Operating Systems didn't have similar >> capabilities, so the consumers of HAL (desktop systems, mostly) >> started to use udev directly. That was when the shit hit the fan: if >> the purpose of HAL was to mantain "portability", but the biggest and >> most active developer community (Linux) refused to use it since it >> didn't allowed them to use the full capabilities of the operating >> system, then it had (literally) no reason to live. So the HAL >> mantainers saw the error of their ways, and they deprecated it, >> saying to the user space developers that, in Linux, they should use >> udev, and in other Operating Systems whatever was equivalent, if any. >> >> It was really fast, if I remember correctly: one day half the >> programs in my computers used HAL, and the next every single one of >> them stopped using it. In Gentoo in particular was pretty rough, >> since the X.org version that used HAL had just become stable (which >> was kinda difficult to transition to), and next thing you know, you >> again had to transition, this time to a HAL-free X.org. A lot of >> users got really angry in Gentoo because of that. > Some of us grumpy-old-guy types refused to play nice and didn't make > either transition. We disabled HAL support in X.org [after X.org had > stopped working when HAL became the default]. Once we had HAL > disabled, we continued to to use the trusty old xorg.conf file until > the whole HAL thing blew over. > > I'm going to ignore grub2 for as long as I can, but I don't think it's > going away the way HAL did... ;) > Some of us old farts tried hal and got bit, hard. It's the one time I can say Linux failed me big time. I felt like I was running windoze. O_O Dale :-) :-)