Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is grub2 stable and who uses it?

[Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@libertytrek.org>]

Ugh....

Guess if Gentoo ever removes Grub1 I'll have to switch to Lilo or 
something else - I loathe complicated, especially when there is no good 
reason...

On 2011-10-06 8:51 AM, Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com> wrote:
> Grant Edwards<grant.b.edwards@gmail.com>  writes:
>
>> I've only used it on Ubuntu, and maybe it's just Ubuntu's
>> implementation -- but it was both complicated and difficult.  There
>> are 10X as many files, and to change anything you edit a whole set of
>> configuration files and run a utility that generates _another_ set of
>> configuration files.
>>
>> Compared to "vi /boot/grub/menu.lst; reboot", that's complicated.
>
> 100 % agreement here.  I'm running Debian which has moved over to
> grub2 in the newest (wheezy) install media.
>
> Here is just a factual count of files to bare out the point.
>
>    sudo mount /boot
>    find /boot -type f|wc -l
>
>     225
>
>    225 files in boot.  And that isn't all that are involved, there
>    are others elsewhere on the file system.
>
> Just for grub users info a real list is inlined at the end.
>
> In truth, I've only had to make one small edit (It was very esoteric
> and hard to find info about).
>
> I wanted to boot to console which required me to change one line in a
> file.  /etc/default/grub
>   (original line)
>    GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
>   (edited line)
>    GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet text"
>
> It caused some kind of grief and came up as error on boot messages but
> still worked.
>
> To avoid unforeseen problems I put it back to original state and just
> took `gdm' out of play (named gdm3 on debian). I then `startx' into
> fluxbox.
>
> However to edit the boot process you make changes to certain files
> like the one above and then run `update-grub' which generates the
> files in /boot  or at least some of them.
>
> /boot/grub/grub.cfg itself is 111 lines.  Its not the most complex
> script going but for me it would take some serious study for an hour
> or more to figure out what is happening in it.  But of course you are
> not supposed to edit grub.cfg directly.
>
> It is orders of magnitude more complicated in my opinion... I'm not
> sure what the advantages are supposed to be.
>
> Also, its not clear how one would install a new kernel.  Where to put
> the information and so forth.
>
> -------        ---------       ---=---       ---------      --------
>
> find /boot -type f
>
> /boot/System.map-3.0.0-1-686-pae
> /boot/config-3.0.0-1-686-pae
> /boot/grub/device.map
> /boot/grub/915resolution.mod
> /boot/grub/acpi.mod
> /boot/grub/affs.mod
> /boot/grub/afs.mod
> /boot/grub/afs_be.mod
> /boot/grub/aout.mod
> /boot/grub/at_keyboard.mod
> /boot/grub/ata.mod
> /boot/grub/ata_pthru.mod
> /boot/grub/befs.mod
> /boot/grub/befs_be.mod
> /boot/grub/biosdisk.mod
> /boot/grub/bitmap.mod
> /boot/grub/bitmap_scale.mod
> /boot/grub/blocklist.mod
> /boot/grub/boot.mod
> /boot/grub/bsd.mod
> /boot/grub/btrfs.mod
> /boot/grub/bufio.mod
> /boot/grub/cat.mod
> /boot/grub/chain.mod
> /boot/grub/cmostest.mod
> /boot/grub/cmp.mod
> /boot/grub/configfile.mod
> /boot/grub/cpio.mod
> /boot/grub/cpuid.mod
> /boot/grub/crypto.mod
> /boot/grub/cs5536.mod
> /boot/grub/date.mod
> /boot/grub/datehook.mod
> /boot/grub/datetime.mod
> /boot/grub/dm_nv.mod
> /boot/grub/drivemap.mod
> /boot/grub/echo.mod
> /boot/grub/efiemu.mod
> /boot/grub/elf.mod
> /boot/grub/example_functional_test.mod
> /boot/grub/ext2.mod
> /boot/grub/extcmd.mod
> /boot/grub/fat.mod
> /boot/grub/font.mod
> /boot/grub/fshelp.mod
> /boot/grub/functional_test.mod
> /boot/grub/gcry_arcfour.mod
> /boot/grub/gcry_blowfish.mod
> /boot/grub/gcry_camellia.mod
> /boot/grub/gcry_cast5.mod
> /boot/grub/gcry_crc.mod
> /boot/grub/gcry_des.mod
> /boot/grub/gcry_md4.mod
> /boot/grub/gcry_md5.mod
> /boot/grub/gcry_rfc2268.mod
> /boot/grub/gcry_rijndael.mod
> /boot/grub/gcry_rmd160.mod
> /boot/grub/gcry_seed.mod
> /boot/grub/gcry_serpent.mod
> /boot/grub/gcry_sha1.mod
> /boot/grub/gcry_sha256.mod
> /boot/grub/gcry_sha512.mod
> /boot/grub/gcry_tiger.mod
> /boot/grub/gcry_twofish.mod
> /boot/grub/gcry_whirlpool.mod
> /boot/grub/gettext.mod
> /boot/grub/gfxmenu.mod
> /boot/grub/gfxterm.mod
> /boot/grub/gptsync.mod
> /boot/grub/gzio.mod
> /boot/grub/halt.mod
> /boot/grub/hashsum.mod
> /boot/grub/hdparm.mod
> /boot/grub/hello.mod
> /boot/grub/help.mod
> /boot/grub/hexdump.mod
> /boot/grub/hfs.mod
> /boot/grub/hfsplus.mod
> /boot/grub/iorw.mod
> /boot/grub/iso9660.mod
> /boot/grub/jfs.mod
> /boot/grub/jpeg.mod
> /boot/grub/keylayouts.mod
> /boot/grub/keystatus.mod
> /boot/grub/legacycfg.mod
> /boot/grub/linux.mod
> /boot/grub/linux16.mod
> /boot/grub/loadenv.mod
> /boot/grub/loopback.mod
> /boot/grub/ls.mod
> /boot/grub/lsacpi.mod
> /boot/grub/lsapm.mod
> /boot/grub/lsmmap.mod
> /boot/grub/lspci.mod
> /boot/grub/lvm.mod
> /boot/grub/mdraid09.mod
> /boot/grub/mdraid1x.mod
> /boot/grub/memdisk.mod
> /boot/grub/memrw.mod
> /boot/grub/minicmd.mod
> /boot/grub/mmap.mod
> /boot/grub/minix.mod
> /boot/grub/minix2.mod
> /boot/grub/msdospart.mod
> /boot/grub/multiboot.mod
> /boot/grub/multiboot2.mod
> /boot/grub/nilfs2.mod
> /boot/grub/normal.mod
> /boot/grub/ntfs.mod
> /boot/grub/ntfscomp.mod
> /boot/grub/ntldr.mod
> /boot/grub/ohci.mod
> /boot/grub/part_acorn.mod
> /boot/grub/part_amiga.mod
> /boot/grub/part_apple.mod
> /boot/grub/part_bsd.mod
> /boot/grub/part_gpt.mod
> /boot/grub/part_msdos.mod
> /boot/grub/part_sun.mod
> /boot/grub/part_sunpc.mod
> /boot/grub/parttool.mod
> /boot/grub/password.mod
> /boot/grub/password_pbkdf2.mod
> /boot/grub/pbkdf2.mod
> /boot/grub/pci.mod
> /boot/grub/play.mod
> /boot/grub/png.mod
> /boot/grub/probe.mod
> /boot/grub/pxe.mod
> /boot/grub/pxecmd.mod
> /boot/grub/raid.mod
> /boot/grub/raid5rec.mod
> /boot/grub/raid6rec.mod
> /boot/grub/read.mod
> /boot/grub/reboot.mod
> /boot/grub/regexp.mod
> /boot/grub/reiserfs.mod
> /boot/grub/relocator.mod
> /boot/grub/scsi.mod
> /boot/grub/search.mod
> /boot/grub/search_fs_file.mod
> /boot/grub/search_fs_uuid.mod
> /boot/grub/search_label.mod
> /boot/grub/sendkey.mod
> /boot/grub/serial.mod
> /boot/grub/setjmp.mod
> /boot/grub/setpci.mod
> /boot/grub/sfs.mod
> /boot/grub/sleep.mod
> /boot/grub/squash4.mod
> /boot/grub/tar.mod
> /boot/grub/terminal.mod
> /boot/grub/terminfo.mod
> /boot/grub/test.mod
> /boot/grub/test_blockarg.mod
> /boot/grub/testload.mod
> /boot/grub/tga.mod
> /boot/grub/trig.mod
> /boot/grub/true.mod
> /boot/grub/udf.mod
> /boot/grub/ufs1.mod
> /boot/grub/ufs2.mod
> /boot/grub/uhci.mod
> /boot/grub/usb.mod
> /boot/grub/usb_keyboard.mod
> /boot/grub/usbms.mod
> /boot/grub/usbserial_common.mod
> /boot/grub/usbserial_ftdi.mod
> /boot/grub/usbserial_pl2303.mod
> /boot/grub/usbtest.mod
> /boot/grub/vbe.mod
> /boot/grub/vga.mod
> /boot/grub/vga_text.mod
> /boot/grub/video.mod
> /boot/grub/video_bochs.mod
> /boot/grub/video_cirrus.mod
> /boot/grub/video_fb.mod
> /boot/grub/videoinfo.mod
> /boot/grub/videotest.mod
> /boot/grub/xfs.mod
> /boot/grub/xnu.mod
> /boot/grub/xnu_uuid.mod
> /boot/grub/xzio.mod
> /boot/grub/zfs.mod
> /boot/grub/zfsinfo.mod
> /boot/grub/command.lst
> /boot/grub/crypto.lst
> /boot/grub/fs.lst
> /boot/grub/moddep.lst
> /boot/grub/partmap.lst
> /boot/grub/parttool.lst
> /boot/grub/terminal.lst
> /boot/grub/video.lst
> /boot/grub/boot.img
> /boot/grub/cdboot.img
> /boot/grub/diskboot.img
> /boot/grub/g2hdr.img
> /boot/grub/grldr.img
> /boot/grub/kernel.img
> /boot/grub/lnxboot.img
> /boot/grub/pxeboot.img
> /boot/grub/efiemu32.o
> /boot/grub/efiemu64.o
> /boot/grub/locale/ast.mo
> /boot/grub/locale/ca.mo
> /boot/grub/locale/da.mo
> /boot/grub/locale/de.mo
> /boot/grub/locale/fi.mo
> /boot/grub/locale/fr.mo
> /boot/grub/locale/hu.mo
> /boot/grub/locale/id.mo
> /boot/grub/locale/it.mo
> /boot/grub/locale/ko.mo
> /boot/grub/locale/nl.mo
> /boot/grub/locale/pl.mo
> /boot/grub/locale/ru.mo
> /boot/grub/locale/sv.mo
> /boot/grub/locale/uk.mo
> /boot/grub/locale/vi.mo
> /boot/grub/locale/zh_CN.mo
> /boot/grub/core.img
> /boot/grub/grubenv
> /boot/grub/grub.cfg
> /boot/vmlinuz-3.0.0-1-686-pae
> /boot/initrd.img-3.0.0-1-686-pae
>
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