From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1R5ge2-0004E1-Pn for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:24:35 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9430421C123; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:24:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.alltele.net (m1.alltele.net [85.30.0.4]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE3A21C038 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([87.227.57.71]) by smtp.alltele.net (IceWarp 10.3.2) with ESMTP id CZQ82221 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:23:21 +0200 Message-ID: <4E776C7A.2040805@coolmail.se> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:23:22 +0200 From: pk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.20) Gecko/20110901 Lightning/1.0b3pre Thunderbird/3.1.12 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT rant] udev + /usr References: <20110912150248.GB3599@acm.acm> <2210780.0e3mVgC8X5@localhost> <4E75CB74.7090804@coolmail.se> <2096791.klglLOoT2h@localhost> <4E75EFE1.9070807@coolmail.se> <4E762DD1.2000007@coolmail.se> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.27 required=7.00 tests=LOCALPART_IN_SUBJECT=1.56,RATWARE_RCVD_BONUS_SPC=1.00,MR_NOT_ATTRIBUTED_IP=0.20,SMILEY=-0.50,NO_RDNS2=0.01,MR_DIFF_MID=1.00 version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (1.1) on smtp.alltele.net X-CTCH: RefID="str=0001.0A0B0204.4E776C7A.01EB,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0"; Spam="Unknown"; VOD="Unknown" X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: d3b4ad1bc4f1eaf70e8de19460b7b9fe On 2011-09-18 21:52, Michael Mol wrote: > The kernel configuration process is actually very nice and very easy. > You an remove any features you don't want or need. (I'm referring to, > e.g. menuconfig. I haven't really used genkernel) I've never used genkernel and always compile my own kernels... > FWIW, PulseAudio predates Windows Vista, Windows 7, even MacOS X. I > ran it on a 200MHz machine back when it was called Enlightenment Sound > Daemon. Hm... I've used ESD (years and years ago :-) ) in OSS times. Not sure where the connection between ESD and Pulseaudio is though[1]... Well, anywho, Gentoo stopped supporting both the ESD and arts server years ago for security reasons IIRC. > With as much as I've poked at PulseAudio, I'd have to say I like it > better than I like the Vista/Win7 implementation of sound daemons. I've no experience with Vista/Win7 (I've got an XP machine for gaming). > There's probably not much one can do with PA that one couldn't do with > jackd, which is probably better in terms of latency, but I never got > around to learning jackd. Yes, tried jack a few years ago but couldn't get it working right. Not that I got "burnt" by it (as dbus etc.) and if the need arise, I'll look into it again... Thing is, ALSA already have a (simple) sound server "built" in called dmix so why one would bother with Pulseaudio is beyond me (but as long as it's not "forced" onto users I don't care much about it). > While I was using PA (I'm not, currently), it was nice for being able > to monitor and tune the volume levels of individual programs. That can > be important when trying to manage two different VOIP apps, video > games and Pandora at the same time. If you wish to use it then do so... :-) The thing (idea) I was trying to convey but seems to escape most people is this: "Cut out the fat!" - "Less is more/do more with less [resources]" etc... in a general sense. That's what Contiki is doing and what I think software in general should be doing (yes, in Utopia)... When adding layer upon layer, we are going in the wrong direction (unless the sum is less, which it, in my "eyes", seems not to be). [1] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Enlightened_Sound_Daemon Best regards Peter K