From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1R5Key-0002Lv-AB for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:56:05 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7226821C2E9; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:55:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.alltele.net (m1.alltele.net [85.30.0.4]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE2FB21C0D5 for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:55:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([87.227.57.71]) by smtp.alltele.net (IceWarp 10.3.2) with ESMTP id BZV20801 for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 18:55:01 +0200 Message-ID: <4E762265.9000008@coolmail.se> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 18:55:01 +0200 From: pk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.20) Gecko/20110901 Lightning/1.0b3pre Thunderbird/3.1.12 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT rant] udev + /usr References: <20110912150248.GB3599@acm.acm> <2210780.0e3mVgC8X5@localhost> <4E75CB74.7090804@coolmail.se> <2096791.klglLOoT2h@localhost> <20110918145642.23629a2e@rohan.example.com> In-Reply-To: <20110918145642.23629a2e@rohan.example.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.27 required=7.00 tests=LOCALPART_IN_SUBJECT=1.56,RATWARE_RCVD_BONUS_SPC=1.00,MR_NOT_ATTRIBUTED_IP=0.20,SMILEY=-0.50,NO_RDNS2=0.01,MR_DIFF_MID=1.00 version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (1.1) on smtp.alltele.net X-CTCH: RefID="str=0001.0A0B0205.4E762265.0117,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0"; Spam="Unknown"; VOD="Unknown" X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: f6631f28138a2b53f835d4d09110c023 On 2011-09-18 14:56, Alan McKinnon wrote: > And he's using Audacious - a fork of a gigantic bug nest (mms) . > According to his earlier post, it forces dbus to run. Xmms, I believe it's called. And it's been working fine for quite a while (I've actually have never encountered a bug with Audacious), for me. Now, when I upgraded to 2.4.x dbus was forced on me (well, that and Xfce4)... I'm used to Audacious because I like the simple interface (non-gtk+). But if you have another player you would like to recommend I'll gladly try it. Requirements: no gconf/gnome/udev/udisk(etc.) dependency (only sane dependencies like libogg/flac etc., possibly gtk or qt for ui but nothing else), simple UI (like Audacious legacy mode), no singin' and dancing crap (simplicity over "features")... > Now, that can hardly be dbus's fault if some other app has a hardcoded > RUNTIME dep on dbus. The fault lies entirely with Audacious, not with > dbus. I fully agree to that last sentiment, which is why I'm whining... I thought that was what we were doing here? ;-) But to be fair, it's actually Xfce4 that starts dbus-daemon/launch (I haven't started Audacious yet and I always turn off my computer when not in use). Best regards Peter K