From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1R3uMD-0001hE-2m for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:38:49 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A821C21C0BE; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:38:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f181.google.com (mail-gx0-f181.google.com [209.85.161.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC16821C069 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:37:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so2429204gxk.12 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:37:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IE5I058ya7bh8aLQ55M6PNoBKBbnakueJpfTWxr05XY=; b=m01F7A+7E7uLaZemIw7cezaNaumL3HxyJG7UWS2qdb+8CvFUeAC0xEMzTyJ4RQNrBS K5V8IhPcZ8QNK5wNTTbJ/Hn1J/1h/T1340OOaL3osgcAZfkYMouXcAf58M5IZL5lfe85 Bi2zQthm5SaQ5hpErOuZe1dy2KDBr8Xo7KJHM= Received: by 10.236.145.10 with SMTP id o10mr952707yhj.90.1316025421020; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-65-0-89-228.jan.bellsouth.net. [65.0.89.228]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z23sm1040748yhl.1.2011.09.14.11.36.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:36:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E70F448.8060500@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:36:56 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110829 Firefox/6.0 SeaMonkey/2.3.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr References: <20110912150248.GB3599@acm.acm> <6554608.b7rUgfQ1py@pc> <1769799.TszvVHMTQM@eve> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: f79f07a15854886bc0da8cee3c3e70d1 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Joost Roeleveld w= rote: >> On Tuesday, September 13, 2011 06:33:01 PM Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9= s wrote: >>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer >> wrote: >>>> If gentoo follows fedora on this mandatory initramfs trail, I'll swi= tch >>>> to FreeBSD completely. My software works on way more systems than ju= st >>>> "Linux". >>> That's of course your prerogative. And, as I said before: "Linux >>> strives to be much more than Unix, and that means do things >>> differently." If you want to do things the same way that it was done >>> in the last 20 years, maybe Linux is not the best of choices. >> I read it before, but to be much more then Unix, Linux should be doing= things >> better. Being different is what led to MS Windows' > But that's the thing: we (you and me) don't see the situation the same > way. To me, the proposed changes are for the better. You are one of very few that feel this way. > >>> I myself think the new technologies are worth to change the way we di= d >>> things before. But that's just me. >> The new technologies have great merit. But, the implementation of it i= sn't >> thought through. > In my humble opinion, what you just said is a little pedantic. You can > disagree with the proposed changes, you can argue why you think > another approach could be better. But just saying "the implementation > of it isn't thought through", is a little insulting to the devs. I > think they though about the implementation a lot. The dev only thought about himself and the distro he uses. He=20 apparently didn't consider how what he is doing is going to affect=20 others or he would have done something better. People have already=20 explained what should be done so there is a better way to do this=20 without breaking things. > >>>>> And maybe I shouldn't even mention it, but I don't use OpenRC. I us= e >>>>> systemd. And it works great on Gentoo. >>>> Well. Linux only. If I wanted a monoculture, I would use MS-Windows = or >>>> OSX. >>> Relax man. I mention what I use: I'm not forcing you (or anybody else= ) >>> to use it. But I repeat (because I said it before) that I care about >>> Linux, and Linux only. >> If you care about Linux, why do you allow it to be broken in such a >> fundamental way? > Again, to me is not "breaking it". To me is "improving it". > > Regards. It is breaking it. Why you can't see that is beyond me. It has already=20 been said what is supposed to be required for booting and /usr and=20 possibly /var is not on the list. Dale :-) :-)