From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1R2Q9b-0008J4-TC for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 16:11:40 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 65BC221C198; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 16:11:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AA3721C245 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 16:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28so2002072gxk.13 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 09:09:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1BV4Pc7crawd4GHinvgeXcnkXHkUwEo6P8tRgXvmW3I=; b=pISK/CuV39tDWUqutvqMD37Ki5IV3OODfuI1uWrGH3EfqhMTMhz/7Tc8gwPNKcyG/M 268f1Cio30giHAQ/9w7b2SYUNNz4KTEPLY/khssUSKDH+SLkqckLH9dWut9lAQyDckNA DNvCQlIIMP0jYR4SlKloD7JZH2UphM3oAAJXI= Received: by 10.91.153.18 with SMTP id f18mr2901960ago.44.1315670971701; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 09:09:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-65-0-89-228.jan.bellsouth.net [65.0.89.228]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 11sm8430792ant.0.2011.09.10.09.09.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 10 Sep 2011 09:09:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E6B8BB8.7040103@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 11:09:28 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110829 Firefox/6.0 SeaMonkey/2.3.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot References: <201108191109.34984.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <20110910093659.2f2fdf58@rohan> <201109101124.15694.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <201109101124.15694.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: c62c4d614d6d1ed41333dba4dc4b5de6 Mick wrote: > I've flirted with Slackware before I came over to Gentoo and the > reason I chose Gentoo is because it gave me more freedom to built and > configure an OS exactly as I wanted it. I was at the time thinking of > trying BSD with portage, but when I was keeping an eye on it there was > this start/stop development as Alan mentions and loads of packages > were unstable for yonks or missing completely. This made me decide to > stay on Linux. I don't think we should give up completely yet. Perhaps > we need to lobby a bit more effectively (Can we email directly the > dev(s)? Where do they live? Ha, ha!) PS. Dale please don't leave! > There'll be no mammoth threads without you and who are we going to > rely to trash the credibility of packages - HAL springs to mind! Come > to think of it, given HAL's demise can you also please have a go at > udev? You never know ... ;) Well, this is me. I like things simple. I have built my own computers. I have rebuilt car engines, small mower engines, worked on about every machine, except heavy equipment such as a crane, and done well. What I don't do is add unneeded junk to something. This init* stuff is one of them. If a person wants to use it, then fine, by all means use it. Thing is, this is going to affect a lot of people in a negative way. When I first installed Mandrake and didn't know a lot about Linux, I had /usr on a separate partition. As ignorant as I was, I knew it was a good thing to do. I clearly wasn't thinking when I put /usr on / when I did this install. Maybe the excitement of my new rig got the better of me. lol I have to admit, hal got on my bad nerve. Thing is, I could at least boot up to fix it. Console was still working. If this init* thing breaks, I can't even do that. Trust me, I'm going to be super duper pissed if this init thing fails. I won't care why. The point is, I don't want the thing to begin with and it shouldn't even be needed. There are better ways to do this. From my understanding, the dev is not listening. That is another thing that bothers me. When devs stop listening to users, that causes a problem. Remember hal? How many people complained early on about the config files? Lots. I also don't like that a very few people or just one person can make a decision like this that will have a negative affect on a LOT and I mean a LOT of users. That is something that needs to be dealt with. What I would like to see is this, a good stable alternative that works well with a proper fix and for that to push udev out and render it null. I think that would serve the dev right. Listen to the people that use it or people will use something else. The mdev package comes to mind here. Maybe this will push it to take udevs place. It seems there is enough people that opposes this. If a few commercial and paying people can help, it may just be the next better thing. Dale :-) :-)