From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1R1veF-00034z-AB for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 09 Sep 2011 07:37:15 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E18E321C153; Fri, 9 Sep 2011 07:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yi0-f53.google.com (mail-yi0-f53.google.com [209.85.218.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3322621C0FC for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2011 07:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yih13 with SMTP id 13so806521yih.40 for ; Fri, 09 Sep 2011 00:35:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=g+TQ+G/nJliB02HXRTI0DaOzQ6+4H+k5oW8D29lzWC8=; b=Mk1gYmL/C2Y2H0/05PqDHdD2R+f9JqB62KgikVnUl2XexQqayOFF/2HACujrBkUhlZ PWnfUGfW1PxWYKroMsHxYghLPCK4VVZF0zPOcT3i1pT2dr09Bp9aQ0mtfaiaJsg9jzms qdV6/3/z+IRJfSYBmeJ17iPcmJO4W+xsh6+0k= Received: by 10.91.122.10 with SMTP id z10mr1562277agm.13.1315553736537; Fri, 09 Sep 2011 00:35:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-65-0-89-228.jan.bellsouth.net [65.0.89.228]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m4sm3977684ang.4.2011.09.09.00.35.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 09 Sep 2011 00:35:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E69C1C5.8090904@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 02:35:33 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110829 Firefox/6.0 SeaMonkey/2.3.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot References: <201108191109.34984.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <20110909010018.5df83ae5@rohan> <201109090722.22505.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <201109090722.22505.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 86e2fb52fc406a097694ce7d8c450a49 Mick wrote: > On Friday 09 Sep 2011 00:26:33 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: > In the case of Gentoo, the dialog is having place in the dev list, at > this very moment. In the case of Fedora (and, I think, OpenSuse), the > dialog is actually over. The Gentoo devs are just going with the flow. > > (This is how I see things, I could have some facts wrong). > Aha! This is I think where it went wrong. > > The Gentoo devs should *not* have gone with the flow. Giving the udev = code > primacy over the conventional FHS way, rather than spending some more t= ime to > sort out the genuine cause of the problem (udev) is something that in t= his > case affects the Gentoo principle of doing it the 'Gentoo way' - more t= han > binary distros who are already using initramfs. > > So this is a Gentoo user/use case argument more than upstream devs may = care to > examine. This is my understanding and what I can recall reading on -dev. =20 Basically someone, a dev, at Fedora decided to do it this way. That was=20 where the discussion ended. I read somewhere that the dev in question=20 won't even reply, maybe not even read, complaints to what he/she is=20 doing. Basically, he/she is saying what has been said in this thread. =20 It is my way or the highway. Along with the loss of options, having=20 this big a change with the person inflicting it not listening is=20 disturbing. What's next, /home will be need on / as well? I really=20 think having one or even just a few people that can cause a change like=20 this needs to be revisited. I would like to know what Linus thinks about this mess. Does he know? =20 Is he thinking this is OK? Dale :-) :-)