From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-user+bounces-127053-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1QtzL0-000337-4D for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 09:56:34 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AC19321C2FD; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 09:56:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from der-root.de (der-root.de [78.46.36.110]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 517AC21C2EF for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 09:55:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [78.46.36.110] (der-root [78.46.36.110]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by der-root.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9AD26220C202 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 11:55:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E4CE189.8080902@smash-net.org> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 11:55:21 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Norman_Rie=DF?= <norman@smash-net.org> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] OT: but cool - NASDAQ is gentoo powered References: <CAC=wYCH7mnowfBGnJR1ADnGGZZ_KPJzQ9Rz+_Q3iisNAFsBmQg@mail.gmail.com> <CA+czFiAGXnmLo7wUX890odzpnaOSO5fhOT8Q0Dm4VSOgEgZSmw@mail.gmail.com> <201108170959.50645.peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org> <4561713.Q5X3SpEkrt@eve> <4E4C98DA.8000608@smash-net.org> <20110818085054.644c1d76@zaphod.digimed.co.uk> <4E4CD055.8090107@smash-net.org> <20110818100824.4bb8204d@zaphod.digimed.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20110818100824.4bb8204d@zaphod.digimed.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: e28090ba27bce01ff8400383aff5f67c Am 08/18/11 11:08, schrieb Neil Bothwick: > On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:41:57 +0200, Norman Rie=DF wrote: >=20 >>>> Concerning the "Atom not fast enough for compiling"-Problem. I >>>> compiled, run and update a Gentoo System on a AMD Geode LX, which is >>>> way less powerfull and it works just fine. =20 >>> >>> That's just plain masochism. I have one of those and even installing >>> from binary packages is painfully slow. >>> >>> I have three Atom machines here, a small server, a netbook and a >>> nettop used as a MythTV frontend, and the only compiling any of them >>> do is for their kernels. >=20 >> I am not sitting in front of it watching stuff scroll by and its >> funktion (Wifi-Accesspoint) is not affected by compiling... >> Sure it takes a little longer, but why should i care. >=20 > Most of the time, there's no need. There are times when a package is > updated and needs a config update immediately after or you could end up > with the new program being called with the old config. Binary installs > mean you have a better idea of when that will need to be done. >=20 > It's not a big issue, but I already have the binary build setup so addi= ng > one more host was a simple matter of creating a directory for the chroo= t > and adding the host name to an existing script. >=20 > How long did the initial install take on the Geode? I installed to the > chroot on the build host in the first place then rsynced everything > across. >=20 >=20 Yes, and when i return to that shell some time later i scroll through the package messages and do what needs to be done, followed by a etc-update, revdep-rebuild, depclean and sometimes lafilefixer. I am not saying, i update like fire and forget :-). Everyone should use a setting that one sees fit. That's why we use Gentoo, right? Because we have that choice. If you have a well working setup in place, then it is only right to use i= t. Can't remember how long it take exactly, but here is the ouput of a whole system rebuild with a kind of funny estimate :-). Shows you all the packages, too. Just wondering myself right now, why there are N and U packages, when emerge -uDN world shows nothing to do... emerge -pe system world | genlop -p These are the pretended packages: (this may take a while; wait...) [ebuild R ] sys-libs/zlib-1.2.5-r2 [ebuild R ] virtual/libintl-0 [ebuild R ] app-arch/xz-utils-5.0.1 [ebuild R ] sys-devel/gnuconfig-20110202 [ebuild R ] dev-libs/expat-2.0.1-r3 [ebuild R ] virtual/libiconv-0 [ebuild R ] app-misc/pax-utils-0.2.2 [ebuild R ] app-arch/bzip2-1.0.6 [ebuild R ] app-misc/mime-types-8 [ebuild R ] sys-devel/gcc-config-1.4.1-r1 [ebuild R ] app-arch/cpio-2.11 [ebuild R ] sys-libs/timezone-data-2011e [ebuild R ] sys-fs/sysfsutils-2.1.0 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/tcp-wrappers-7.6-r8 [ebuild R ] dev-libs/libffi-3.0.9-r2 [ebuild R ] sys-devel/patch-2.5.9 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/which-2.20 [ebuild R ] sys-devel/autoconf-wrapper-10-r1 [ebuild R ] sys-devel/automake-wrapper-4 [ebuild R ] sys-process/cronbase-0.3.2-r1 [ebuild R ] mail-client/mailx-support-20060102-r1 [ebuild R ] dev-libs/libnl-1.1-r2 [ebuild R ] app-portage/portage-utils-0.3.1 [ebuild R ] net-misc/rdate-1.4-r3 [ebuild R ] sys-kernel/module-rebuild-0.5 [ebuild R ] sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.6.36.1 [ebuild R ] virtual/libffi-0 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/sandbox-2.4 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/net-tools-1.60_p20110409135728 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/module-init-tools-3.16-r1 [ebuild R ] sys-devel/m4-1.4.15 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/pciutils-3.1.7 [ebuild R ] virtual/os-headers-0 [ebuild R ] dev-libs/gmp-4.3.2 [ebuild R ] dev-libs/mpfr-3.0.0_p3 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/sysvinit-2.88-r1 [ebuild R ] virtual/init-0 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/baselayout-2.0.3 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/debianutils-3.4.4 [ebuild R ] sys-devel/libperl-5.10.1 [ebuild N ] virtual/pam-0 [ebuild R ] net-mail/mailbase-1 [ebuild R ] virtual/man-0 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/man-pages-posix-2003a [ebuild R ] app-i18n/man-pages-de-0.5-r1 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/man-pages-3.28 [ebuild R ] sys-auth/pambase-20101024 [ebuild R ] virtual/acl-0 [ebuild R ] app-admin/python-updater-0.9 [ebuild R ] sys-devel/binutils-config-2-r1 [ebuild R ] app-admin/eselect-vi-1.1.7-r1 [ebuild R ] virtual/mta-0 [ebuild R ] virtual/perl-MIME-Base64-3.08 [ebuild R ] virtual/perl-ExtUtils-CBuilder-0.27.03 [ebuild R ] app-admin/eselect-ctags-1.13 [ebuild R ] dev-util/ctags-5.7 [ebuild R ] virtual/perl-IO-Compress-2.024 [ebuild R ] virtual/perl-Digest-MD5-2.39 [ebuild R ] virtual/perl-libnet-1.220.0-r1 [ebuild R ] virtual/perl-Module-Build-0.36.07 [ebuild R ] virtual/perl-Test-Harness-3.17 [ebuild R ] virtual/perl-Archive-Tar-1.54 [ebuild R ] virtual/perl-ExtUtils-ParseXS-2.22.05 [ebuild R ] sys-devel/gettext-0.18.1.1-r1 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/sed-4.2.1 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/findutils-4.4.2 [ebuild R ] dev-libs/popt-1.16-r1 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/gawk-3.1.8 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/diffutils-3.0 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/kbd-1.15 [ebuild R ] app-arch/tar-1.23-r2 [ebuild R ] sys-devel/make-3.82 [ebuild R ] app-arch/gzip-1.4 [ebuild R ] sys-devel/flex-2.5.35 [ebuild R ] sys-devel/bison-2.4.3 [ebuild R ] app-misc/realpath-1.15-r1 [ebuild R ] net-misc/rsync-3.0.8 [ebuild R ] virtual/yacc-0 [ebuild R ] net-wireless/wireless-tools-29 [ebuild R ] sys-process/vixie-cron-4.1-r10 [ebuild R ] sys-devel/binutils-2.20.1-r1 [ebuild R ] sys-libs/ncurses-5.7-r7 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/texinfo-4.13 [ebuild R ] app-shells/bash-4.1_p9 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/util-linux-2.19.1 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/less-441 [ebuild R ] app-editors/nano-2.2.5 [ebuild R ] sys-process/procps-3.2.8-r2 [ebuild R ] sys-libs/gpm-1.20.6 [ebuild R ] virtual/editor-0 [ebuild R ] virtual/pager-0 [ebuild R ] dev-util/lafilefixer-0.5 [ebuild R ] app-admin/perl-cleaner-2.7 [ebuild R ] app-admin/eselect-python-20100321 [ebuild R ] sys-libs/cracklib-2.8.16 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/file-5.07-r3 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/shadow-4.1.4.3 [ebuild R ] dev-libs/openssl-1.0.0d [ebuild R ] net-misc/wget-1.12-r3 [ebuild R ] net-misc/iputils-20100418-r1 [ebuild R ] net-wireless/hostapd-0.7.3 [ebuild R ] sys-libs/glibc-2.12.2 [ebuild R ] sys-devel/gcc-4.4.5 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/openrc-0.8.3-r1 [ebuild R ] sys-fs/udev-164-r2 [ebuild R ] virtual/libc-0 [ebuild R ] virtual/dev-manager-0 [ebuild R ] dev-lang/python-3.1.3-r1 [ebuild R ] dev-python/setuptools-0.6.15 [ebuild R ] dev-python/argparse-1.2.1 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/portage-2.1.10.3 [ebuild R ] virtual/package-manager-0 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/coreutils-8.7 [ebuild R ] app-admin/eselect-1.2.15 [ebuild R ] app-misc/ca-certificates-20090709 [ebuild R ] sys-libs/db-4.8.30 [ebuild R ] sys-libs/gdbm-1.8.3-r4 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/iproute2-2.6.35-r2 [ebuild R ] dev-lang/perl-5.12.3-r1 [ebuild R ] sys-devel/autoconf-2.68 [ebuild R ] dev-perl/HTML-Tagset-3.20 [ebuild R ] dev-perl/Locale-gettext-1.05-r1 [ebuild R ] dev-perl/DateManip-5.56 [ebuild R ] dev-perl/URI-1.55 [ebuild R ] dev-perl/YAML-Tiny-1.41 [ebuild R ] perl-core/ExtUtils-ParseXS-2.22.05 [ebuild R ] perl-core/ExtUtils-CBuilder-0.27.03 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/attr-2.4.44 [ebuild R ] dev-perl/HTML-Parser-3.67 [ebuild U ] sys-apps/help2man-1.38.2 [1.36.4-r1] [ebuild R ] perl-core/Module-Build-0.36.07 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/acl-2.2.49 [ebuild R ] sys-devel/automake-1.11.1 [ebuild R ] dev-perl/HTML-Tree-3.23 [ebuild R ] sys-devel/libtool-2.4-r1 [ebuild R ] net-firewall/iptables-1.4.11.1-r2 [ebuild R ] sys-libs/readline-6.1_p2 [ebuild R ] sys-libs/pam-1.1.3 [ebuild R ] net-misc/curl-7.21.4 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/groff-1.21 [ebuild R ] sys-process/psmisc-22.12 [ebuild R ] net-libs/liblockfile-1.08 [ebuild R ] net-libs/libpcap-1.1.1 [ebuild R ] mail-mta/ssmtp-2.64-r2 [ebuild R ] net-misc/bridge-utils-1.4 [ebuild R ] sys-boot/grub-0.97-r10 [ebuild R ] app-misc/screen-4.0.3-r4 [ebuild R ] dev-libs/libxml2-2.7.8-r1 [ebuild R ] dev-vcs/git-1.7.3.4-r1 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/man-1.6f-r4 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/busybox-1.17.4 [ebuild R ] net-analyzer/iftop-0.17 [ebuild R ] mail-client/mailx-8.1.2.20050715-r3 [ebuild R ] app-editors/vim-core-7.3.189 [ebuild R ] app-editors/vim-7.3.189 [ebuild R ] app-vim/gentoo-syntax-20101212 [ebuild R ] dev-util/gtk-doc-am-1.17 [ebuild R ] dev-perl/Crypt-SSLeay-0.57 [ebuild R ] dev-perl/libwww-perl-5.836 [ebuild R ] app-portage/genlop-0.30.8-r2 [ebuild R ] dev-libs/libpcre-8.12 [ebuild R ] sys-apps/grep-2.5.4-r1 [ebuild R ] app-admin/metalog-1 [ebuild R ] app-portage/gentoolkit-0.3.0.4 [ebuild R ] virtual/ssh-0 [ebuild R ] sys-libs/e2fsprogs-libs-1.41.14 [ebuild R ] dev-util/pkgconfig-0.26 [ebuild R ] net-misc/openssh-5.8_p1-r1 [ebuild R ] sys-fs/e2fsprogs-1.41.14 [ebuild R ] dev-lang/python-2.7.1-r1 [ebuild R ] dev-libs/glib-2.28.8 USE=3D"introspection*" [ebuild R ] dev-libs/gobject-introspection-0.10.8 Estimated update time: 1 day, 1 hour, 11 minutes. Norman