[gentoo-user] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

[gentoo-user] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

[Dale]

Howdy,

I noticed the new kernel in the tree.  Anybody know whether make 
oldconfig will work when coming from a 2.6.39 series kernel?  Since I'm 
having issues right now, I wouldn't mind trying to new and improved, 
hopefully, version.

I just had a thought, what are the odds the nvidia drivers are ready for 
this shiney new beast?

Thoughts?

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 23.07.2011 00:54, schrieb Dale:
> Howdy,
> 
> I noticed the new kernel in the tree.  Anybody know whether make
> oldconfig will work when coming from a 2.6.39 series kernel?  Since I'm
> having issues right now, I wouldn't mind trying to new and improved,
> hopefully, version.
> 
> I just had a thought, what are the odds the nvidia drivers are ready for
> this shiney new beast?

oldconfig worked for me, on 4 systems so far.

x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-275.09.07 as well, I use that related to

https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375615

S

Re: [gentoo-user] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

[Hilco Wijbenga]

On 22 July 2011 15:54, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> I noticed the new kernel in the tree.  Anybody know whether make oldconfig
> will work when coming from a 2.6.39 series kernel?  Since I'm having issues
> right now, I wouldn't mind trying to new and improved, hopefully, version.

Despite the major version changing, 3.0 is basically 2.6.40: no big
changes. Doing make oldconfig worked for me (there are some new
options, though).

[gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 07/23/2011 01:54 AM, Dale wrote:
> Howdy,
>
> I noticed the new kernel in the tree. Anybody know whether make
> oldconfig will work when coming from a 2.6.39 series kernel? Since I'm
> having issues right now, I wouldn't mind trying to new and improved,
> hopefully, version.
>
> I just had a thought, what are the odds the nvidia drivers are ready for
> this shiney new beast?
>
> Thoughts?

It's just a version number. It was originally going to be 2.6.40. But 
the patch numbers were growing too big, so they simply renamed it 3.0. 
It does not represent any kind of big change or whatever.

So yes, oldconfig is going to work and there are no major changes at all 
in kernel 3.0.

Re: [gentoo-user] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

[Dale]

Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> Am 23.07.2011 00:54, schrieb Dale:
>    
>> Howdy,
>>
>> I noticed the new kernel in the tree.  Anybody know whether make
>> oldconfig will work when coming from a 2.6.39 series kernel?  Since I'm
>> having issues right now, I wouldn't mind trying to new and improved,
>> hopefully, version.
>>
>> I just had a thought, what are the odds the nvidia drivers are ready for
>> this shiney new beast?
>>      
> oldconfig worked for me, on 4 systems so far.
>
> x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-275.09.07 as well, I use that related to
>
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375615
>
> S
>
>    

Thanks for the info.  I know sometimes when there is a major update 
oldconfig don't work or it can have a issue or two to work out, after 
you ruin your brain trying to figure it out of course.

Thanks again.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

[Mark Knecht]

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Howdy,
>
> I noticed the new kernel in the tree.  Anybody know whether make oldconfig
> will work when coming from a 2.6.39 series kernel?  Since I'm having issues
> right now, I wouldn't mind trying to new and improved, hopefully, version.
>
> I just had a thought, what are the odds the nvidia drivers are ready for
> this shiney new beast?
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Dale

Worked for me.

There's nothing very different about 3.0 vs 2.6.X. It's just a
decision to start using new numbers. I'm writing you from my laptop
which is now running 3.0.0 with nvidia-drivers-275.19. Seems to be
working fine

- MArk

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

[Dale]

Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 07/23/2011 01:54 AM, Dale wrote:
>> Howdy,
>>
>> I noticed the new kernel in the tree. Anybody know whether make
>> oldconfig will work when coming from a 2.6.39 series kernel? Since I'm
>> having issues right now, I wouldn't mind trying to new and improved,
>> hopefully, version.
>>
>> I just had a thought, what are the odds the nvidia drivers are ready for
>> this shiney new beast?
>>
>> Thoughts?
>
> It's just a version number. It was originally going to be 2.6.40. But 
> the patch numbers were growing too big, so they simply renamed it 3.0. 
> It does not represent any kind of big change or whatever.
>
> So yes, oldconfig is going to work and there are no major changes at 
> all in kernel 3.0.
>
>
>

I sort of hate to hear there are no major changes.  I was hoping for a 
fix on my kernel panic problem.  Oh well.  I'll upgrade anyway.  Maybe 
it will help.

Thanks for all the replies.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

[Albert Hopkins]

On Friday, July 22 at 18:42 (-0500), Dale said:

> I sort of hate to hear there are no major changes.  I was hoping for
> a 
> fix on my kernel panic problem.  Oh well.  I'll upgrade anyway.
> Maybe 
> it will help.

Fixing a kernel bug is not considered a "major change".  A major change
would be something like "oh, we rewrote it in C++" or "Linux is now a
microkernel" (ok, maybe not *that* major but you get the idea).

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

[Dale]

Albert Hopkins wrote:
>
> On Friday, July 22 at 18:42 (-0500), Dale said:
>
>    
>> I sort of hate to hear there are no major changes.  I was hoping for
>> a
>> fix on my kernel panic problem.  Oh well.  I'll upgrade anyway.
>> Maybe
>> it will help.
>>      
> Fixing a kernel bug is not considered a "major change".  A major change
> would be something like "oh, we rewrote it in C++" or "Linux is now a
> microkernel" (ok, maybe not *that* major but you get the idea).
>
>    

I was hoping since it was a whole different numbering scheme that it was 
a major change.  That was the reason for my question.  I didn't know if 
this was major or a normal update or something else.   I was hoping for 
something like when Seamonkey went from version 1.* to 2.* but this is 
not the case.  The reason I was hoping for this was because of my kernel 
panic issue.  I'm still hopeful that something may have been updated 
that will fix my problem but I'm not as hopeful now since this is 
nothing great.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 01:10:55 -0500, Dale wrote:

> I was hoping since it was a whole different numbering scheme that it
> was a major change.  That was the reason for my question.  I didn't
> know if this was major or a normal update or something else.   I was
> hoping for something like when Seamonkey went from version 1.* to 2.*
> but this is not the case.  The reason I was hoping for this was because
> of my kernel panic issue.  I'm still hopeful that something may have
> been updated that will fix my problem but I'm not as hopeful now since
> this is nothing great.

While your problem is major to you, the cause and solution are likely
quite minor, an out of the way bug in a driver that requires your talents
to discover :)


-- 
Neil Bothwick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 01:10:55 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>    
>> I was hoping since it was a whole different numbering scheme that it
>> was a major change.  That was the reason for my question.  I didn't
>> know if this was major or a normal update or something else.   I was
>> hoping for something like when Seamonkey went from version 1.* to 2.*
>> but this is not the case.  The reason I was hoping for this was because
>> of my kernel panic issue.  I'm still hopeful that something may have
>> been updated that will fix my problem but I'm not as hopeful now since
>> this is nothing great.
>>      
> While your problem is major to you, the cause and solution are likely
> quite minor, an out of the way bug in a driver that requires your talents
> to discover :)
>
>
>    

I guess I'm not explaining this well enough.  I gave the example of the 
difference between Seamonkey 1 and Seamonkey 2 for a reason.  I was 
*hoping* 3.0 was going to be a whole new thing but it appears that is 
not.  If, big if there, it was a major change, I was hoping for a fix.  
Since it is not a major change, I'm not so hopeful now.

By the way, after the kernel upgrade, my plugins on youtube no longer 
work.  Youtube is in text mode.  o_O   Hmmmmmm.

Does that make sense?

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

[Adam Carter]

>.  I was *hoping*
> 3.0 was going to be a whole new thing but it appears that is not.  If, big
> if there, it was a major change, I was hoping for a fix.  Since it is not a
> major change, I'm not so hopeful now.

Bugs are fixed all the time without major changes. If you enlist the
google's help, you can find out what they are. IIRC you're already on
2.6.39 so try searching for 2.6.39.1 then 2.6.39.2, 3.0.0 etc to see
if there's anything that sounds like it might fix your issue. Or just
try them all as they come out. You can see from the ebuild Changelog
which kernel patches match with which ebuild.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

[Dale]

Adam Carter wrote:
>> .  I was *hoping*
>> 3.0 was going to be a whole new thing but it appears that is not.  If, big
>> if there, it was a major change, I was hoping for a fix.  Since it is not a
>> major change, I'm not so hopeful now.
>>      
> Bugs are fixed all the time without major changes. If you enlist the
> google's help, you can find out what they are. IIRC you're already on
> 2.6.39 so try searching for 2.6.39.1 then 2.6.39.2, 3.0.0 etc to see
> if there's anything that sounds like it might fix your issue. Or just
> try them all as they come out. You can see from the ebuild Changelog
> which kernel patches match with which ebuild.
>
>    

Does anyone remember the Seamonkey or Firefox upgrades or am I the only 
one that does?  I know fixes are done all the time.  I was just *hoping* 
that since this was a huge number change, like Seamonkey going from 
Seamonkey 1 to Seamonkey 2, that there would be some major changes.  
That is why I asked if oldconfig would work.  I have seen a couple times 
when oldconfig wouldn't work even in the 2.* series but if this was some 
new and improved thing that has been worked on for a while, I wasn't 
sure if starting from scratch was recommended or not.  .I know now that 
is is basically nothing new except 2.6.39 with more of the usual fixes.

Here is some funny after thoughts on this tho.  I went to some other 
sites that have videos, other than Youtube.  It is working so far.  I 
have downloaded a few videos and not one crash yet.  Why am I not using 
youtube you wonder, it is text only.  Everything works on all the other 
sites except youtube.  I cleared all the cookies for youtube stuff but 
still no worky.  I have this snipped list of things installed:

root@fireball / # equery list *plugin* seamonkey *flash*
  * Searching for *plugin* ...
[IP-] [  ] kde-base/kurifilter-plugins-4.6.5:4
[IP-] [  ] kde-base/nsplugins-4.6.5:4

<<<< Snipped out unrelated stuff >>>>

[IP-] [  ] www-plugins/nspluginwrapper-1.4.4-r1:0

  * Searching for seamonkey ...
[IP-] [  ] www-client/seamonkey-2.0.14-r1:0

  * Searching for *flash* ...
[IP-] [  ] www-plugins/adobe-flash-11.0.1.60_beta201107131-r1:0
root@fireball / #

Am I missing something?  It works in Konqueror tho.  I haven't got up 
the nerve yet to open Firefox and see if it works or still causes a crash.

Weird stuff going on here.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

[Dale]

Dale wrote:
>
> Does anyone remember the Seamonkey or Firefox upgrades or am I the 
> only one that does?  I know fixes are done all the time.  I was just 
> *hoping* that since this was a huge number change, like Seamonkey 
> going from Seamonkey 1 to Seamonkey 2, that there would be some major 
> changes.  That is why I asked if oldconfig would work.  I have seen a 
> couple times when oldconfig wouldn't work even in the 2.* series but 
> if this was some new and improved thing that has been worked on for a 
> while, I wasn't sure if starting from scratch was recommended or not.  
> .I know now that is is basically nothing new except 2.6.39 with more 
> of the usual fixes.
>
> Here is some funny after thoughts on this tho.  I went to some other 
> sites that have videos, other than Youtube.  It is working so far.  I 
> have downloaded a few videos and not one crash yet.  Why am I not 
> using youtube you wonder, it is text only.  Everything works on all 
> the other sites except youtube.  I cleared all the cookies for youtube 
> stuff but still no worky.  I have this snipped list of things installed:
>
> root@fireball / # equery list *plugin* seamonkey *flash*
>  * Searching for *plugin* ...
> [IP-] [  ] kde-base/kurifilter-plugins-4.6.5:4
> [IP-] [  ] kde-base/nsplugins-4.6.5:4
>
> <<<< Snipped out unrelated stuff >>>>
>
> [IP-] [  ] www-plugins/nspluginwrapper-1.4.4-r1:0
>
>  * Searching for seamonkey ...
> [IP-] [  ] www-client/seamonkey-2.0.14-r1:0
>
>  * Searching for *flash* ...
> [IP-] [  ] www-plugins/adobe-flash-11.0.1.60_beta201107131-r1:0
> root@fireball / #
>
> Am I missing something?  It works in Konqueror tho.  I haven't got up 
> the nerve yet to open Firefox and see if it works or still causes a 
> crash.
>
> Weird stuff going on here.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>

I got it fixed.  It was adblock blocking something new.  I guess the 
filters got updated and youtube needs something it was blocking.

Trying to get my nerve up to try Firefox, just out of curiosity mostly.

Thanks to all.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

[Albert Hopkins]

On Saturday, July 23 at 01:10 (-0500), Dale said:

> I was hoping since it was a whole different numbering scheme that it
> was 
> a major change.  That was the reason for my question.  I didn't know
> if 
> this was major or a normal update or something else.   I was hoping
> for 
> something like when Seamonkey went from version 1.* to 2.* but this
> is 
> not the case.  The reason I was hoping for this was because of my
> kernel 
> panic issue.  I'm still hopeful that something may have been updated 
> that will fix my problem but I'm not as hopeful now since this is 
> nothing great.

Yeah, but a kernel panic is *not* a major issue.  They are reported all
the time.  And it probably doesn't take a *major* change to fix it.

To the contrary, *major* changes typically introduce more bugs.  So you
probably *don't* want a major change.

      * Major change: re-write or architecture change
      * Minor change: bug fixes <-- you want this

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

[Dale]

Albert Hopkins wrote:
>
> On Saturday, July 23 at 01:10 (-0500), Dale said:
>
>    
>> I was hoping since it was a whole different numbering scheme that it
>> was
>> a major change.  That was the reason for my question.  I didn't know
>> if
>> this was major or a normal update or something else.   I was hoping
>> for
>> something like when Seamonkey went from version 1.* to 2.* but this
>> is
>> not the case.  The reason I was hoping for this was because of my
>> kernel
>> panic issue.  I'm still hopeful that something may have been updated
>> that will fix my problem but I'm not as hopeful now since this is
>> nothing great.
>>      
> Yeah, but a kernel panic is *not* a major issue.  They are reported all
> the time.  And it probably doesn't take a *major* change to fix it.
>
> To the contrary, *major* changes typically introduce more bugs.  So you
> probably *don't* want a major change.
>
>        * Major change: re-write or architecture change
>        * Minor change: bug fixes<-- you want this
>
>
>    

But sometimes major changes can fix things and do things completely 
different which can lead to other issues being fixed.  Seamonkey did the 
same when they did their major redo.

Bad thing is, the kernel panics are at it again.  I had a little bit of 
time to download a video or two but here we go again.

Back to the normal reboots I guess.  :-(

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

[Albert Hopkins]

On Saturday, July 23 at 05:33 (-0500), Dale said:

> But sometimes major changes can fix things and do things completely 
> different which can lead to other issues being fixed.  Seamonkey did
> the 
> same when they did their major redo.
> 
> Bad thing is, the kernel panics are at it again.  I had a little bit
> of 
> time to download a video or two but here we go again.
> 
> Back to the normal reboots I guess.  :-(
> 
Yeah but typically.. or maybe my experience is completely different than
most, but typically major releases center on new features and not fixing
bugs, and major releases tend to create a whole lot more new bugs than
fixes (which is why many people hold out for for <major_release>.1) :P

Anyway, here's something... did you actually report a bug?  If a tree
falls in the forest...

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

[Dale]

Albert Hopkins wrote:
>
> On Saturday, July 23 at 05:33 (-0500), Dale said:
>
>    
>> But sometimes major changes can fix things and do things completely
>> different which can lead to other issues being fixed.  Seamonkey did
>> the
>> same when they did their major redo.
>>
>> Bad thing is, the kernel panics are at it again.  I had a little bit
>> of
>> time to download a video or two but here we go again.
>>
>> Back to the normal reboots I guess.  :-(
>>
>>      
> Yeah but typically.. or maybe my experience is completely different than
> most, but typically major releases center on new features and not fixing
> bugs, and major releases tend to create a whole lot more new bugs than
> fixes (which is why many people hold out for for<major_release>.1) :P
>
> Anyway, here's something... did you actually report a bug?  If a tree
> falls in the forest...
>
>    

I haven't filed a bug because at the moment we have not been able to 
figure out exactly what is causing it.  I know it is a kernel panic but 
not what part.  Seamonkey and Firefox works until I start to download 
something then there is a kernel panic.  While is causes a panic with 
Seamonkey or Firrefox, emerge can download for hours with not one 
problem.  Is it a network card driver or something else?  We don't 
know.  I just keep trying different things until I can find something 
that works then hopefully can figure out what changed.

I'm thinking about going back to the oldest kernel I can.  The oldest I 
have tried is 2.6.38 but .32 is still in the tree.

There is a whole thread, or two, on this tho.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

[Albert Hopkins]

On Saturday, July 23 at 09:35 (-0500), Dale said:

> Albert Hopkins wrote:
[...]
> > Anyway, here's something... did you actually report a bug?  If a tree
> > falls in the forest...
> >
> >    
> 
> I haven't filed a bug because at the moment we have not been able to 
> figure out exactly what is causing it.  

Well, if you knew what was causing it, then you wouldn't need to report
a bug as you could just fix it yourself :P

Look, you know it's a kernel panic.  You know kernels aren't supposed to
panic.  You know fairly well how to repeat the bug, so I don't see
anything getting int he way of you reporting it.  That's my take on it
anyway.

-a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

[Dale]

Albert Hopkins wrote:
>
> On Saturday, July 23 at 09:35 (-0500), Dale said:
>
>    
>> Albert Hopkins wrote:
>>      
> [...]
>    
>>> Anyway, here's something... did you actually report a bug?  If a tree
>>> falls in the forest...
>>>
>>>
>>>        
>> I haven't filed a bug because at the moment we have not been able to
>> figure out exactly what is causing it.
>>      
> Well, if you knew what was causing it, then you wouldn't need to report
> a bug as you could just fix it yourself :P
>
> Look, you know it's a kernel panic.  You know kernels aren't supposed to
> panic.  You know fairly well how to repeat the bug, so I don't see
> anything getting int he way of you reporting it.  That's my take on it
> anyway.
>
> -a
>
>    

It is a good point.  I would like to be able to give some more details 
other than when I try to download a file in Firefox or Seamonkey, I get 
a kernel panic.  That's not really a lot of info to give them and I'm 
not sure what they could do with the little info.  Since it is using the 
network, is it a nic driver?  Is it a problem with the video drivers 
since it is sometimes opening/closing a new window when it does it too?  
Could it be something totally unrelated to those two?

I don't mind filing bug reports but I like to be able to say more than 
it is broke.  ;-)  I'm thinking about taking a nic out of my old machine 
and putting in here.  That would narrow that down at least.

You are right, this is not like Linux.  It is rare that I have any sort 
of trouble like this.  I guess hal and xorg was the worst so far.  At 
least right now my keyboard and mouse are working.  lol

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

[Stroller]

On 23 July 2011, at 19:30, Albert Hopkins wrote:
>> 
>> I haven't filed a bug because at the moment we have not been able to 
>> figure out exactly what is causing it.  
> 
> Well, if you knew what was causing it, then you wouldn't need to report
> a bug as you could just fix it yourself :P

Quite the opposite!

Sure, file a bug if you can reproduce the problem and you don't know the cause, but even better is when you *do* know the cause.  This informs others of the problem, and saves them going through all the same diagnosis steps as you, but also allows the devs to fix it via ebuid dependencies, or whatever.

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

[Albert Hopkins]

On Sunday, July 24 at 15:11 (+0100), Stroller said:

> > Well, if you knew what was causing it, then you wouldn't need to
> report
> > a bug as you could just fix it yourself :P
> 
> Quite the opposite!
> 
Yeah, I was half joking.  The point was that not filing a bug because
you don't know what the problem is is akin having the check engine light
on your car go on but not taking it in to service because you don't know
why the check engine light is on.

As far as diagnostics.  You can provide additional information, if they
ask you and tell you how (the same way you would if you were taking your
car in).

There's really no reason *not* to report something that you know is
wrong, in my opinion anyway.  Even if it's not enough information to fix
it, at least other people are aware that there is a problem.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 13:51:55 -0500, Dale wrote:

> It is a good point.  I would like to be able to give some more details 
> other than when I try to download a file in Firefox or Seamonkey, I get 
> a kernel panic.  That's not really a lot of info to give them and I'm 
> not sure what they could do with the little info.  Since it is using
> the network, is it a nic driver? 

Do you have another NIC you could try, one with a different chipset?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 13:51:55 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>    
>> It is a good point.  I would like to be able to give some more details
>> other than when I try to download a file in Firefox or Seamonkey, I get
>> a kernel panic.  That's not really a lot of info to give them and I'm
>> not sure what they could do with the little info.  Since it is using
>> the network, is it a nic driver?
>>      
> Do you have another NIC you could try, one with a different chipset?
>
>
>    

I'm thinking about trying that next.  I just hate to bust the sides off 
both rigs.  It would be my luck I would do something to break them 
both.  o_O

I'm not sure it is the nic tho.  It downloads just fine when emerge is 
fetching files.  I'm not saying it isn't tho.  I really don't know what 
it is.  I'm also keeping in mind that the nic is built onto my mobo.  I 
have never had good luck with a built in nic.  On my old rig, it never 
worked right.  That's why it has cards in it too.

It's on the todo list of things to try.  Just getting my nerve up.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

[Peter Humphrey]

On Sunday 24 July 2011 19:13:27 Dale wrote:

> I'm not sure it is the nic tho.  It downloads just fine when emerge is
> fetching files.  I'm not saying it isn't tho.  I really don't know what
> it is.  I'm also keeping in mind that the nic is built onto my mobo.  I
> have never had good luck with a built in nic.  On my old rig, it never
> worked right.  That's why it has cards in it too.

I had a nasty experience with a network device a few months ago. It wasn't a 
NIC this time but a WAP, which when it went faulty managed to wipe out half 
of the USB disk to which I was backing up the machine the WAP was connected 
to. Much repeated backing-up of several boxes was required to re-establish 
the status quo.

Just goes to show that hardware failures can do some weird things.

(Pick the bones out of that, Volker. Preferably without gratuitous 
offensiveness.)

-- 
Rgds
Peter			Linux Counter number 5290

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

[Dale]

Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Sunday 24 July 2011 19:13:27 Dale wrote:
>
>    
>> I'm not sure it is the nic tho.  It downloads just fine when emerge is
>> fetching files.  I'm not saying it isn't tho.  I really don't know what
>> it is.  I'm also keeping in mind that the nic is built onto my mobo.  I
>> have never had good luck with a built in nic.  On my old rig, it never
>> worked right.  That's why it has cards in it too.
>>      
> I had a nasty experience with a network device a few months ago. It wasn't a
> NIC this time but a WAP, which when it went faulty managed to wipe out half
> of the USB disk to which I was backing up the machine the WAP was connected
> to. Much repeated backing-up of several boxes was required to re-establish
> the status quo.
>
> Just goes to show that hardware failures can do some weird things.
>
> (Pick the bones out of that, Volker. Preferably without gratuitous
> offensiveness.)
>
>    

My old rig gave me some weird errors too.  I can't recall what they were 
tho.  I'm sure it is on the forums somewhere around mid to late 2003 or 
2004 if I recall.  I don't think I had that old rig to long when it went 
to acting all funny and such.

Yep, hardware can be weird.  I don't think mine is memory or anything 
but I'm only 99% sure.  I'm leaving myself 1% to crawl out if needed.  
lol   I can't say it isn't anything right now since I don't know what it 
is.  That's the thing about puters, you can't rule out anything unless 
you can replace it and the problem goes away.  Unfortunately I can't do 
that with CPU, ram and mobo or even the video card.  Then again, I do 
have two ATI video cards.  I'm to chicken to try them tho.  I have no 
idea how to get a ATI card working.

I'm going to check into this nic tho.  I used to have a couple extras 
around here somewhere.

Dale

:-)  :-)