From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QaCbS-0003pS-M6 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 20:03:48 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AFB6F1C04B; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 20:00:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iy0-f181.google.com (mail-iy0-f181.google.com [209.85.210.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A2841C04B for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 20:00:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyf40 with SMTP id 40so3628866iyf.40 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 13:00:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=0U193siCubVdMTeRMJYxIsW0z82H0kwOriNe/KHarjQ=; b=rK1iI3kiGw1ob76V1VzZXetVYEQKDVLSmzzzBGcsn50R+R12Zy+dxTpo5RNuxOCPd3 acaWpDPJXqcgCjXbi7NEUrh+hazbaC38Ub9dodBjE+ooKfseAL67OCMyMhIHh8CHnI2z IxxtzpNqa+odplOgJuPW2O0Kd0Iz2hGEyIIcE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=TdyFs9kjKJ7RMPVjQM8QnDxVLSOHuA61YCUab+vjeMM6qqeideMX/yMDfHkhH2Zm/D bhIiO9zCbLn8IKxs+mVgqIFIrnvIH6iJGwpSFQgHnV5TAjAGeNohFj6lkHGa3pC0T7HE Y3jeEmpb+9rHqWMT67IKYREmlOYvobs8D2mAk= Received: by 10.42.157.70 with SMTP id c6mr1666932icx.152.1308945639103; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 13:00:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-65-0-120-31.jan.bellsouth.net [65.0.120.31]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d8sm2888512icy.9.2011.06.24.13.00.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 24 Jun 2011 13:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E04ECE0.9010109@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:00:32 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.19) Gecko/20110606 Gentoo/2.0.14-r1 SeaMonkey/2.0.14 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now? References: <4E0167C4.9080100@gmail.com> <4E03BB43.2050404@gmail.com> <6517863.YlIiSIDa8W@pc> In-Reply-To: <6517863.YlIiSIDa8W@pc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: af50a7904c425fc8f44cd74926998e9e Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: > Am Freitag, 24. Juni 2011, 08:04:43 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: > >> On 06/24/2011 01:16 AM, Dale wrote: >> >>> If it works with fortran turned on, I'd leave it alone. With hindsight, >>> I should have left well enough alone anyway. It wasn't hurting a thing. >>> Watch the elog messages. It will tell you at some point to either enable >>> fortran or emerge some other package that I forget the name of. That one >>> package pulled several dependencies on my rig. YMMV. >>> >> Well, as I said in another post, I do have -fortan in my make.conf and >> there are no problems. I do not have programs installed that need a >> fortran compiler. And I do not have kde-meta installed; that's a waste >> of resources. I only install what I actually need. >> > You have no programs, that *need* fortran, but it could well be, that you have > programs installed, that perform better when compiled with a fortran compiler. > I think of sci-libs/fftw here as an example. It's used by programs like > blender, imagemagick and maybe some others. The developers of said library use > fortran, because they benchmarked it. If you disable fortran, you use the > slower C fallback solution. If you disable fftw in those packages, you get a > slower implementation too afaik. > After all, gentoo is a source based distribution. We all already have a couple > of languages installed. There's a C compiler a standard user will never use. > There's a C++ compiler only used by programmers. We all have them, only to > compile programs, that need them. > Why not enable fortran, even if it's only optional, to get the best of the > available implementations? In the end it's only one programming language more > installed on your system. > > Regards, > Michael > > I just wonder if that is why Cantor was set up to use fortran by default. Not because it is smaller, requires a few less package but that it is what it is designed to run off of. It may well work with something else but not as fast, not as good or something else we don't know about. Just makes me think again on this one. Dale :-) :-)