From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QU6jK-0003bU-4L for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2011 00:34:42 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D4A051C036; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 00:33:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yi0-f53.google.com (mail-yi0-f53.google.com [209.85.218.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A44E01C036 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 00:33:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yib2 with SMTP id 2so18055yib.40 for ; Tue, 07 Jun 2011 17:33:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=LiqMa98/A62ji9qbzcKAWrRH/MbH8R49cRbqIRW8Q2Y=; b=VCpl68gyOsrwoGiEs4t6T2z6DAiufVmJO1cQhoBEM+yFriCNQGDsk3lPPHsM4PIJwc V4NK08yqiXS4hhn6pef18Ex1zhuTNn2YqZN11wEsuIMkXcIUEwYWJiah5wdTsXY06/6R 6e+tRr2nh6pf2YylDcIHvN+wjoAFv0HoCIVaE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dGiXgIz/STDzw6ehgtnoJwaArALzCv/K0jD7S7QbmTdf+G7Sdl2QDR/jX/ulO8ed8J qTDiQ9Oc3Sz2Wp4cRXjDqygkAuynTCDTcbf5KlWdg6Vs6YPPF8OHIn3viyk27IXrL7CP TS4i7fOSO9KSNHgQoCDHK0HSwKJ/ezZD4BE50= Received: by 10.151.15.16 with SMTP id s16mr34532ybi.54.1307493197962; Tue, 07 Jun 2011 17:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-65-0-122-125.jan.bellsouth.net [65.0.122.125]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm1118555ybr.20.2011.06.07.17.33.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 07 Jun 2011 17:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DEEC34B.1040509@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 19:33:15 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.19) Gecko/20110606 Gentoo/2.0.14-r1 SeaMonkey/2.0.14 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 & --depclean References: <201106071110.25887.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <201106072233.35596.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <201106072307.51530.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <20110608000949.77659c67@zaphod.digimed.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: d032b5d51f993905d517f4ffa53c7daa Mark Knecht wrote: > That's what I thought until I moved to the kde profile, at which time > it seems to about 80% of kde-meta became part of @system. Prior to > switching to that profile I think @system as about 150 packages. Today > it's 389: > > 2stable ~ # emerge -epv @system > > These are the packages that would be merged, in order: > > Calculating dependencies... done! > [ebuild R ] sys-libs/zlib-1.2.5-r2 475 kB > [ebuild R ] virtual/libintl-0 0 kB > > [ebuild R ] kde-base/kdesu-4.6.2 USE="handbook (-aqua) -debug > (-kdeenablefinal) (-kdeprefix)" 0 kB > [ebuild R ] kde-misc/polkit-kde-kcmodules-0.98_pre20101127 > USE="(-aqua) -debug (-kdeenablefinal)" 0 kB > [ebuild R ] kde-base/khelpcenter-4.6.2 USE="(-aqua) -debug > (-kdeenablefinal) (-kdeprefix)" 0 kB > > Total: 389 packages (9 new, 380 reinstalls), Size of downloads: 308,431 kB > c2stable ~ # > > My thought at this point is that WRT @system the devs are doing > something magic with Gentoo, taking it in some new direction which I > don't understand yet, and because of that I'm likely to be confused > for some time to come. The idea of a virtual seems very reasonable to > me, but somehow it seems the implementation of it all just isn't as > clear to me as it should be, and the onus is on me to go learn and not > the devs to teach me. > > Cheers, > Mark > > I complained about KDE stuff being in the system set looooong ago. It is because of USE flags that they are being pulled in. I don't like the idea but if you, or a dev, disables all the USE flags that pulls in KDE, us KDE users are going to have things breaking left and right. It seemed to have gotten worse when hal bit the dust. At that point udev and other system tools picked up the slack and KDE got pulled into system. That's my theory at least. Dale :-) :-)