From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QKqdu-0007ob-TF for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 13 May 2011 11:34:51 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 472D5E0429; Fri, 13 May 2011 11:33:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f181.google.com (mail-gx0-f181.google.com [209.85.161.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 176D5E0429 for ; Fri, 13 May 2011 11:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so1122954gxk.40 for ; Fri, 13 May 2011 04:33:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xfV9ZGwAgENx3qoHGORCo4Cx4ZOkVyY12B6BvV9eB2k=; b=DWrBShCg7TD0sG35RuYhOxoHt8/3terbaxwWXxUK1tiIzT/pZLHPhBkgL6OTcz3pBz 1Nlq8RlrLK4r9UtDBS5PPIVE+yFKVkfl0SvFsw2hvQWCfJPIIHaOwKD81PcJJbXUrHkL Adol+7sJC8X9/kINat+FuJ8n0A2thE1VlcSDA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pOjyPRXZrnEAb9s/P3JQ+3Q1vtOc3yQNRboE6eH9qG0SQMyg/v3QXXDmIVLDAdBOL0 FfSvWoWjba1YZpfp090+9K+rd7LYiAfmS5Xeg/56fivlCkGd5GJiZHFbRpVJDy1ixvcV UGJLmx9whaM+r1j3gQI5feSmE5s3/iYB9K0sA= Received: by 10.150.171.5 with SMTP id t5mr1321178ybe.332.1305286399473; Fri, 13 May 2011 04:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-98-95-130-19.jan.bellsouth.net [98.95.130.19]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p23sm254449ybc.29.2011.05.13.04.33.17 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 13 May 2011 04:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DCD16FC.9010300@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 06:33:16 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.19) Gecko/20110501 Gentoo/2.0.14 SeaMonkey/2.0.14 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone? References: <20110513104156.GA28627@gaurahari> In-Reply-To: <20110513104156.GA28627@gaurahari> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 2e7d8d6439a0d441bf25bde008c0b45e Indi wrote: > I was just sharing my opinion, which was informed by my > experience. I'm surprised by the vehemence and persistence > of (apparently) political rhetoric in response to that. > Obviously the solutions look really simple and matter-of-fact > a year and a half later. The options were rather different > while it was actually going on, and all one has to do is STFW > to see that many people went through much distress over it. > > Frankly, I am not a fan of the "shoot the messenger" approach > to dealing with bad news, especially as I really don't feel > I've said anything but the truth of my own experience. OK I'm > opinionated, but that opinion is backed by experience - that > makes it "anecdotal experience", something big corporations spend big > money to compile so they can tune and shape their ideas. The message > I'm getting is kde guys do not want any anecdotal experience unless > it is glowing praise or perhaps minor suggestions, so I will not speak > on it anymore. > > Employing all that sort of rhetoric has the effect of making > discussion uncomfortable and restrictive, which I suppose is > the idea. Personally, I do not wish to say any more on the matter, > except to note that the sort of response I've encountered does > not inspire hope for the future of kde. :( > > And with that, I am "out" on this subject, so if someone now > needs to shame me and put me in my place again that's fine, > and I will not respond so you'll have the last word. Just > know that I do not subscribe to all that shame-based grandstanding > silliness, so it's pretty much wasted on me. > > No hard feelings, I understand we all have our burdens in life. > :) > > +1 Dale :-) :-)