* Re: [gentoo-user] Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-02-25 15:33 [gentoo-user] Random reboots. Where to start? Dale
@ 2011-02-25 16:56 ` Helmut Jarausch
2011-02-25 23:06 ` Dale
2011-02-25 17:08 ` [gentoo-user] " Grant Edwards
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From: Helmut Jarausch @ 2011-02-25 16:56 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On 02/25/2011 04:33:20 PM, Dale wrote:
> Well, I think my machine is possessed or something. I'm getting
> random
> reboots here. When it does this, it is like hitting the reset
> button.
>
> It is sitting on the grub screen when it does this. I noticed the
> first
> time the other day and this was before adding the extra memory. I
> seemed to be stable at 4Gbs but I seem to be rebooting at random. I
> ran
> memtest yesterday, it checked fine. It didn't find a error but it
> looked like it was only testing part of it. Memtest recognizes all
> 16Gbs on the last run but it didn't seem to be testing it all. Is
> there
> a trick to getting it to test the whole thing?
>
Dale, I have better experience with sys-apps/memtester for catching
memory errors - though running it over night. You can tell it what to
test.
Furthermore I had one machine (an AMD Phenom II) where I got random
errors though all memory tests went through without a problem.
I suspected a cache coherence bug since this was quad core processor.
Once, I have replaced this CPU only, i.e. with the same memory, the
spook was over.
Therefore, if you have a multi-core CPU, run memtester simultaneously
(on different parts of the memory) as many times as you have cores.
I hope, this helps,
Helmut.
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2011-02-25 16:56 ` Helmut Jarausch
@ 2011-02-25 23:06 ` Dale
2011-02-26 15:33 ` Yohan Pereira
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From: Dale @ 2011-02-25 23:06 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Helmut Jarausch wrote:
> Dale, I have better experience with sys-apps/memtester for catching
> memory errors - though running it over night. You can tell it what to
> test.
>
> Furthermore I had one machine (an AMD Phenom II) where I got random
> errors though all memory tests went through without a problem.
> I suspected a cache coherence bug since this was quad core processor.
>
> Once, I have replaced this CPU only, i.e. with the same memory, the
> spook was over.
>
> Therefore, if you have a multi-core CPU, run memtester simultaneously
> (on different parts of the memory) as many times as you have cores.
>
> I hope, this helps,
> Helmut.
>
I'm going to keep this in mind and I'll run memtester here in a bit. I
booted a USB stick and it ran a long time with no problem. I took a nap
and when I got back up, it was still running. It may still be hardware
but this is a good sign. I would rather it be a bad version of gcc, bad
kernel or something than bad hardware. I can update those easily
enough. I have had 30 days of uptime on this specific kernel tho so I
sort of doubt it is that. Still, it could be anything.
I kind of suspect the ram tho. When I added that, I had it to reboot
itself. Before that, solid as a rock. I may just disconnect and
reconnect everything later on too. Just in case I pulled something
slightly off when installing the ram.
Thanks.
Dale
:-) :-)
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-02-25 23:06 ` Dale
@ 2011-02-26 15:33 ` Yohan Pereira
2011-02-26 15:46 ` Dale
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From: Yohan Pereira @ 2011-02-26 15:33 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Saturday 26 Feb 2011 04:36:32 AM Dale wrote:
>I booted a USB stick and it ran a long time with no problem.
ok this may have nothing to do with it but was it a 32 bit OS on the usb
stick? does it use all 8 gigs?
dont know if this makes any diffrence though just guessing.
--
- Yohan Pereira
"A man can do as he will, but not will as he will" - Schopenhauer
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-02-26 15:33 ` Yohan Pereira
@ 2011-02-26 15:46 ` Dale
2011-02-27 17:52 ` Jason Weisberger
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From: Dale @ 2011-02-26 15:46 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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Yohan Pereira wrote:
>
> On Saturday 26 Feb 2011 04:36:32 AM Dale wrote:
>
> >I booted a USB stick and it ran a long time with no problem.
>
>
> ok this may have nothing to do with it but was it a 32 bit OS on the
> usb stick? does it use all 8 gigs?
>
>
> dont know if this makes any diffrence though just guessing.
>
>
> --
>
>
> - Yohan Pereira
>
>
> "A man can do as he will, but not will as he will" - Schopenhauer
>
I booted a 64 bit. It did see all the ram and I'm up to 16Gbs now. I
started with 4, then went to 8 and then went to 16Gbs. Newegg kept
having sales. lol
Dale
:-) :-)
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-02-26 15:46 ` Dale
@ 2011-02-27 17:52 ` Jason Weisberger
2011-02-27 20:12 ` Dale
2011-02-28 7:03 ` Dale
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From: Jason Weisberger @ 2011-02-27 17:52 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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I actually have 4 gigs of gskill DDR 3 1600 and from experience I can tell
you that the stock voltage on those chips is set too low. The company
actually recommends that you use 1.9 volts while most motherboards will
default to 1.5 or 1.6. Double check this however, because I know they were
working on some JEDEC compliant DDR 3 (standard voltage of 1.5) a while back
but I'm not certain if they just decided to throw in the towel on that
effort. My system would crash using 1.5 but wouldn't produce any errors on
memtest86+. This all just sounds too familiar.
On Feb 26, 2011 11:15 AM, "Dale" <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yohan Pereira wrote:
>>
>> On Saturday 26 Feb 2011 04:36:32 AM Dale wrote:
>>
>> >I booted a USB stick and it ran a long time with no problem.
>>
>>
>> ok this may have nothing to do with it but was it a 32 bit OS on the
>> usb stick? does it use all 8 gigs?
>>
>>
>> dont know if this makes any diffrence though just guessing.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> - Yohan Pereira
>>
>>
>> "A man can do as he will, but not will as he will" - Schopenhauer
>>
>
>
> I booted a 64 bit. It did see all the ram and I'm up to 16Gbs now. I
> started with 4, then went to 8 and then went to 16Gbs. Newegg kept
> having sales. lol
>
> Dale
>
> :-) :-)
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-02-27 17:52 ` Jason Weisberger
@ 2011-02-27 20:12 ` Dale
2011-02-27 23:32 ` Peter Humphrey
2011-02-28 7:03 ` Dale
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From: Dale @ 2011-02-27 20:12 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Jason Weisberger wrote:
>
> I actually have 4 gigs of gskill DDR 3 1600 and from experience I can
> tell you that the stock voltage on those chips is set too low. The
> company actually recommends that you use 1.9 volts while most
> motherboards will default to 1.5 or 1.6. Double check this however,
> because I know they were working on some JEDEC compliant DDR 3
> (standard voltage of 1.5) a while back but I'm not certain if they
> just decided to throw in the towel on that effort. My system would
> crash using 1.5 but wouldn't produce any errors on memtest86+. This
> all just sounds too familiar.
>
>
Well, I think recompiling everything fixed the issue. This is where I
am now:
root@fireball / # uptime
14:05:46 up 1 day, 5:29, 4 users, load average: 0.43, 0.24, 0.23
root@fireball / #
So far, no problems. I'll check on the voltages when I reboot again. I
know it was set to auto tho. I don't usually mess with those. I did
overclock my old rig once, folding complained so I set it back and
haven't messed with it since.
Another thing, I tried putting portage on tmpfs, it isn't any faster. I
recompiled a few packages and most of them only had a difference of
seconds. Even a 20 minute compile only had a difference of like 20
seconds. Most were less than that tho.
I got to find some good way to use all this ram. Maybe I need to start
working with editing videos or something. I got some on VHS that need
to be on DVD. ^_^
Dale
:-) :-)
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-02-27 20:12 ` Dale
@ 2011-02-27 23:32 ` Peter Humphrey
2011-02-28 1:38 ` Dale
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From: Peter Humphrey @ 2011-02-27 23:32 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Sunday 27 February 2011 20:12:29 Dale wrote:
> I did overclock my old rig once, folding complained so I set it back and
> haven't messed with it since.
Just an aside, Dale, to satisfy my curiosity: is this the protein-folding
BOINC application? What drew you to it? None of my business, I know, so tell
me so if you like, but I'm curious. My BOINC projects are einstein.phys,
setiathome, lhcathome, milkyway and cosmologyathome. They keep this i5
occupied.
> I got to find some good way to use all this ram.
I was afraid you'd find that. As I said the other day, my 4GB are enough to
prevent swapping almost all the time.
> Maybe I need to start working with editing videos or something. I got
> some on VHS that need to be on DVD. ^_^
Are you taking commissions? :-)
--
Rgds
Peter
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-02-27 23:32 ` Peter Humphrey
@ 2011-02-28 1:38 ` Dale
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From: Dale @ 2011-02-28 1:38 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Sunday 27 February 2011 20:12:29 Dale wrote:
>
>
>> I did overclock my old rig once, folding complained so I set it back and
>> haven't messed with it since.
>>
> Just an aside, Dale, to satisfy my curiosity: is this the protein-folding
> BOINC application? What drew you to it? None of my business, I know, so tell
> me so if you like, but I'm curious. My BOINC projects are einstein.phys,
> setiathome, lhcathome, milkyway and cosmologyathome. They keep this i5
> occupied.
>
>
I do it because I have a genetic disorder. It may not help me but I
hope the folding that I do will help someone. This is the home page:
http://folding.stanford.edu/
>> I got to find some good way to use all this ram.
>>
> I was afraid you'd find that. As I said the other day, my 4GB are enough to
> prevent swapping almost all the time.
>
>
Yea, but this thing is caching a lot of data. It seems a little more
responsive and some programs load a lot faster, the second time of
course. The first time it needs to load anyway.
Mem: 16466172k total, 12400648k used, 4065524k free, 642212k buffers
Swap: 2851496k total, 0k used, 2851496k free, 9796516k cached
>> Maybe I need to start working with editing videos or something. I got
>> some on VHS that need to be on DVD. ^_^
>>
> Are you taking commissions? :-)
>
>
I got some old VHS tapes of movies. I would like to transfer them to
DVD. Some of my VHS tapes are really old and they don't do real good
any more. Also, my VCR is not feeling well either. It has two decks
but one of them doesn't rewind much anymore. Still plays but figure
that will go out next.
Dale
:-) :-)
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-02-27 17:52 ` Jason Weisberger
2011-02-27 20:12 ` Dale
@ 2011-02-28 7:03 ` Dale
2011-03-01 23:25 ` Jason Weisberger
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From: Dale @ 2011-02-28 7:03 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Jason Weisberger wrote:
>
> I actually have 4 gigs of gskill DDR 3 1600 and from experience I can
> tell you that the stock voltage on those chips is set too low. The
> company actually recommends that you use 1.9 volts while most
> motherboards will default to 1.5 or 1.6. Double check this however,
> because I know they were working on some JEDEC compliant DDR 3
> (standard voltage of 1.5) a while back but I'm not certain if they
> just decided to throw in the towel on that effort. My system would
> crash using 1.5 but wouldn't produce any errors on memtest86+. This
> all just sounds too familiar.
>
>
I updated my kernel so I had to reboot. I checked the voltages and it
appears to be set to 1.5. It was set to auto, when I selected manual,
it said 1.5v. I don't know for sure that is what it is when it is
running tho. That could just be where it starts when in manual mode.
Since it is working now, I set it back to auto. Don't want there to be
anything, so I ain't going to start anything either. ;-) According to
gkrellm, Vcore1 is 1.39. Vcore2 is 1.52. I assume that is Vcore2.
I just bought my memory sticks in the past month or so for the last
three. The first stick I got was about 2 months ago. Maybe the new
ones are "improved" or something? How long you had yours?
Is there some way to check on BIOS settings while booted into Linux?
I'm talking about things like timings and such. I have gkrellm set up
for some stuff. Just don't see timings and such in there. Just curious
tho.
Dale
:-) :-)
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-02-28 7:03 ` Dale
@ 2011-03-01 23:25 ` Jason Weisberger
2011-03-02 0:53 ` Dale
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From: Jason Weisberger @ 2011-03-01 23:25 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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I've had mine for a while now, so I wouldn't be surprised if 1.5 was the
correct voltage for your sticks. Double check the manufacturer's website to
be sure.
On Feb 28, 2011 2:06 AM, "Dale" <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jason Weisberger wrote:
>>
>> I actually have 4 gigs of gskill DDR 3 1600 and from experience I can
>> tell you that the stock voltage on those chips is set too low. The
>> company actually recommends that you use 1.9 volts while most
>> motherboards will default to 1.5 or 1.6. Double check this however,
>> because I know they were working on some JEDEC compliant DDR 3
>> (standard voltage of 1.5) a while back but I'm not certain if they
>> just decided to throw in the towel on that effort. My system would
>> crash using 1.5 but wouldn't produce any errors on memtest86+. This
>> all just sounds too familiar.
>>
>>
>
> I updated my kernel so I had to reboot. I checked the voltages and it
> appears to be set to 1.5. It was set to auto, when I selected manual,
> it said 1.5v. I don't know for sure that is what it is when it is
> running tho. That could just be where it starts when in manual mode.
> Since it is working now, I set it back to auto. Don't want there to be
> anything, so I ain't going to start anything either. ;-) According to
> gkrellm, Vcore1 is 1.39. Vcore2 is 1.52. I assume that is Vcore2.
>
> I just bought my memory sticks in the past month or so for the last
> three. The first stick I got was about 2 months ago. Maybe the new
> ones are "improved" or something? How long you had yours?
>
> Is there some way to check on BIOS settings while booted into Linux?
> I'm talking about things like timings and such. I have gkrellm set up
> for some stuff. Just don't see timings and such in there. Just curious
> tho.
>
> Dale
>
> :-) :-)
>
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-03-01 23:25 ` Jason Weisberger
@ 2011-03-02 0:53 ` Dale
2011-03-02 14:15 ` Paul Hartman
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From: Dale @ 2011-03-02 0:53 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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Jason Weisberger wrote:
>
> I've had mine for a while now, so I wouldn't be surprised if 1.5 was
> the correct voltage for your sticks. Double check the manufacturer's
> website to be sure.
>
>
Yep, it appears they have made some changes. This is what the site says
now.
System Desktop
System Type DDR3
M/B Chipset
Intel P55
AMD 790 Series
AMD 890 Series
CAS Latency 9-9-9-24-2N
Capacity
4GB (4GB x1)
8GB (4GB x2)
Speed DDR3-1600 (PC3 12800)
Test Voltage 1.5 Volts
PCB
Registered/Unbuffered Unbuffered
Error Checking Non-ECC
Type 240-pin DIMM
Warranty Lifetime
So, I guess it is set correctly. I looked at that page before I bought
those, I didn't see the specs then. I may have just missed it. I was
looking to see how tall they were at the time. I was more worried about
whether it was going to get in the way of my CPU cooler. Turns out, I
should have been worried about the fan hitting them instead of the
cooler itself. I do wish they would move the memory another inch away
from the CPU. That would solve the problem pretty well then. I'm not
holding my breath tho.
Dale
:-) :-)
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* [gentoo-user] Re: Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-02-25 15:33 [gentoo-user] Random reboots. Where to start? Dale
2011-02-25 16:56 ` Helmut Jarausch
@ 2011-02-25 17:08 ` Grant Edwards
2011-02-25 23:10 ` Dale
2011-02-25 17:14 ` [gentoo-user] " Mark Knecht
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From: Grant Edwards @ 2011-02-25 17:08 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On 2011-02-25, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I think my machine is possessed or something. I'm getting random
> reboots here. When it does this, it is like hitting the reset button.
> It is sitting on the grub screen when it does this. I noticed the first
> time the other day and this was before adding the extra memory. I
> seemed to be stable at 4Gbs but I seem to be rebooting at random. I ran
> memtest yesterday, it checked fine.
By "memtest" I assume mean memtest86?
In my experience, you should let it run multiple passes (I'd recommend
at least 4 or 4 -- I would imagine it'll take a couple days). I've
seen situations where it was OK on the initial pass, and then failed
later.
The other likely suspect is probably the power supply.
--
Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! I have a TINY BOWL in
at my HEAD
gmail.com
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2011-02-25 17:08 ` [gentoo-user] " Grant Edwards
@ 2011-02-25 23:10 ` Dale
2011-02-26 22:20 ` walt
0 siblings, 1 reply; 38+ messages in thread
From: Dale @ 2011-02-25 23:10 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2011-02-25, Dale<rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Well, I think my machine is possessed or something. I'm getting random
>> reboots here. When it does this, it is like hitting the reset button.
>> It is sitting on the grub screen when it does this. I noticed the first
>> time the other day and this was before adding the extra memory. I
>> seemed to be stable at 4Gbs but I seem to be rebooting at random. I ran
>> memtest yesterday, it checked fine.
>>
> By "memtest" I assume mean memtest86?
>
> In my experience, you should let it run multiple passes (I'd recommend
> at least 4 or 4 -- I would imagine it'll take a couple days). I've
> seen situations where it was OK on the initial pass, and then failed
> later.
>
> The other likely suspect is probably the power supply.
>
>
Correct. To sort of help rule out the OS on the hard drive, I ran
memtest from a USB stick. It made it through 2 full passes with no
errors. Since this is my main rig, I can't go to long without it. I
get to shaking from withdrawal and such as that. :-(
I got a good power supply but it could still be that. Even the best and
most expensive break from time to time. I think I could swap mine out
from my old rig if needed. This new rig doesn't pull near as much as my
old one.
Thanks.
Dale
:-) :-)
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* [gentoo-user] Re: Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-02-25 23:10 ` Dale
@ 2011-02-26 22:20 ` walt
2011-02-26 22:40 ` Mark Knecht
0 siblings, 1 reply; 38+ messages in thread
From: walt @ 2011-02-26 22:20 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On 02/25/2011 03:10 PM, Dale wrote:
> I got a good power supply but it could still be that. Even the best and most
> expensive break from time to time. I think I could swap mine out from my old
>rig if needed. This new rig doesn't pull near as much as my old one.
How can you tell how much power the machine is using?
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-02-26 22:20 ` walt
@ 2011-02-26 22:40 ` Mark Knecht
2011-02-26 22:52 ` Dale
0 siblings, 1 reply; 38+ messages in thread
From: Mark Knecht @ 2011-02-26 22:40 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user; +Cc: walt
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 2:20 PM, walt <w41ter@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 02/25/2011 03:10 PM, Dale wrote:
>
>> I got a good power supply but it could still be that. Even the best and
>> most
>> expensive break from time to time. I think I could swap mine out from my
>> old
>> rig if needed. This new rig doesn't pull near as much as my old one.
>
> How can you tell how much power the machine is using?
>
Kill-a-Watt
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-02-26 22:40 ` Mark Knecht
@ 2011-02-26 22:52 ` Dale
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From: Dale @ 2011-02-26 22:52 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 2:20 PM, walt<w41ter@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 02/25/2011 03:10 PM, Dale wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I got a good power supply but it could still be that. Even the best and
>>> most
>>> expensive break from time to time. I think I could swap mine out from my
>>> old
>>> rig if needed. This new rig doesn't pull near as much as my old one.
>>>
>> How can you tell how much power the machine is using?
>>
>>
> Kill-a-Watt
>
>
Nope, current meter and a calculator. My computer has a line that is
for that plug only. I just clamp my meter on and measure how much
current it is pulling. Multiply that times the current and there you go.
The Kill a watt is next on my list tho. I do want one of those things.
Newegg has them too. ;-)
Dale
:-) :-)
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-02-25 15:33 [gentoo-user] Random reboots. Where to start? Dale
2011-02-25 16:56 ` Helmut Jarausch
2011-02-25 17:08 ` [gentoo-user] " Grant Edwards
@ 2011-02-25 17:14 ` Mark Knecht
2011-02-25 18:03 ` Paul Hartman
[not found] ` <4d67fbde.83a0df0a.5870.3917@mx.google.com>
4 siblings, 0 replies; 38+ messages in thread
From: Mark Knecht @ 2011-02-25 17:14 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user; +Cc: Dale
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I think my machine is possessed or something. I'm getting random
> reboots here. When it does this, it is like hitting the reset button. It
> is sitting on the grub screen when it does this. I noticed the first time
> the other day and this was before adding the extra memory. I seemed to be
> stable at 4Gbs but I seem to be rebooting at random. I ran memtest
> yesterday, it checked fine. It didn't find a error but it looked like it
> was only testing part of it. Memtest recognizes all 16Gbs on the last run
> but it didn't seem to be testing it all. Is there a trick to getting it to
> test the whole thing?
>
> This is the last few lines from messages before the reboot:
>
> Feb 25 05:10:01 localhost cron[5697]: (root) CMD (test -x
> /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons )
> Feb 25 05:14:47 localhost smartd[3902]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], SMART Usage
> Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 113 to 112
> Feb 25 05:14:47 localhost smartd[3902]: Device: /dev/sdc [SAT], SMART Usage
> Attribute: 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel changed from 80 to 78
> Feb 25 05:14:47 localhost smartd[3902]: Device: /dev/sdc [SAT], SMART Usage
> Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 75 to 74
> Feb 25 05:20:01 localhost cron[5850]: (root) CMD (test -x
> /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons )
> Feb 25 05:30:01 localhost cron[5994]: (root) CMD (test -x
> /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons )
> Feb 25 05:40:01 localhost cron[6136]: (root) CMD (test -x
> /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons )
> Feb 25 05:41:49 localhost uptimed: moving up to position 20: 0 days,
> 01:27:23
> Feb 25 05:44:47 localhost smartd[3902]: Device: /dev/sdc [SAT], SMART Usage
> Attribute: 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel changed from 78 to 77
> Feb 25 05:50:01 localhost cron[6284]: (root) CMD (test -x
> /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons )
> Feb 25 05:59:01 localhost cron[6413]: (root) CMD (rm -f
> /var/spool/cron/lastrun/cron.hourly)
> Feb 25 06:00:01 localhost cron[6429]: (root) CMD (test -x
> /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons )
> Feb 25 06:10:01 localhost cron[6573]: (root) CMD (test -x
> /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons )
> Feb 25 06:14:47 localhost smartd[3902]: Device: /dev/sdc [SAT], SMART Usage
> Attribute: 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel changed from 77 to 76
> Feb 25 06:20:01 localhost cron[6722]: (root) CMD (test -x
> /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons )
> Feb 25 06:30:01 localhost cron[6865]: (root) CMD (test -x
> /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons )
> Feb 25 06:40:01 localhost cron[7008]: (root) CMD (test -x
> /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons )
> Feb 25 06:50:01 localhost cron[7156]: (root) CMD (test -x
> /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons )
> Feb 25 06:59:01 localhost cron[7286]: (root) CMD (rm -f
> /var/spool/cron/lastrun/cron.hourly)
> Feb 25 07:00:01 localhost cron[7301]: (root) CMD (test -x
> /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons )
> Feb 25 07:10:01 localhost cron[7444]: (root) CMD (test -x
> /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons )
> Feb 25 07:20:01 localhost cron[7592]: (root) CMD (test -x
> /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons )
> Feb 25 07:30:01 localhost cron[7741]: (root) CMD (test -x
> /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons )
> Feb 25 07:40:01 localhost cron[7884]: (root) CMD (test -x
> /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons )
> Feb 25 07:42:49 localhost uptimed: moving up to position 19: 0 days,
> 03:28:23
> Feb 25 07:50:01 localhost cron[8032]: (root) CMD (test -x
> /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons )
>
> I don't see anything out of the norm, do you? What else should I check? I
> have a Gigabyte mobo, anything in the BIOS I should check? After I added
> the last two sticks of ram, I loaded the optimized settings. No
> overclocking or anything here.
>
> It does this while logged into KDE and after running a while. I have shut
> down folding and the CPU is running below 85F and all the fans are running
> fine. I don't think this could be a heat issue. It's a Cooler Master HAF
> 932 case with lots of cooling.
>
> I'm going to reboot and let memtest run a while and see exactly what it was
> that makes me think it is not testing ALL the memory.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dale
>
> :-) :-)
Is folding pretty CPU intensive? If it is then possibly shut that off
completely until you find the root cause. Additional CPU heating can
cause higher temps all through the machine. If you have a broken trace
somewhere that only comes apart when the motherboard heats up, etc.
The order I walk through this sort of problem is:
1) Google, Google, Google for your exact hardware looking for similar
problems. (and hopefully solutions...) The main culprits are
generally:
- Motherboard
- Power supply
- VGA
2) Unlikely if this is your new machine but use some canned air and
blow out all heat sinks if they have collected dust.
3) Remove _ALL_ adapter cards and any external devices that you don't
absolutely need for testing. Run for a number of hours or days.
If you are still rebooting then consider changing your power supply
first. What sort of supply are you using now? Does it have _more_ than
power for your machine?
I hope you find it soon. This can be very frustrating. (From experience...)
Good luck,
Mark
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2011-02-25 15:33 [gentoo-user] Random reboots. Where to start? Dale
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2011-02-25 17:14 ` [gentoo-user] " Mark Knecht
@ 2011-02-25 18:03 ` Paul Hartman
2011-02-26 0:18 ` Dale
[not found] ` <4d67fbde.83a0df0a.5870.3917@mx.google.com>
4 siblings, 1 reply; 38+ messages in thread
From: Paul Hartman @ 2011-02-25 18:03 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I think my machine is possessed or something. I'm getting random
> reboots here. When it does this, it is like hitting the reset button. It
> is sitting on the grub screen when it does this. I noticed the first time
> the other day and this was before adding the extra memory. I seemed to be
> stable at 4Gbs but I seem to be rebooting at random. I ran memtest
> yesterday, it checked fine. It didn't find a error but it looked like it
> was only testing part of it. Memtest recognizes all 16Gbs on the last run
> but it didn't seem to be testing it all. Is there a trick to getting it to
> test the whole thing?
When you say "memtest" what memtest are you using, exactly? The one
from the kernel?
I prefer memtest86+ as it is updated and has support for the latest
CPUs and memory configurations. You can install it from portage and
add an entry to your Grub menu and don't need to mess with bootable CD
or USB or anything like that.
You can test specific ranges, if you suspect the new RAM is causing
trouble. Full memory testing of all patterns with 16 gigs of RAM can
take forever, but in my experience tests 5 and 8 in memtest86+ are
typically the only tests that actually produce errors on modern
systems. If you're in a hurry you can just run test 5 and that'll give
you many more passes in a shorter time. I would at least want to run
this kind of test for 12 hours with no errors before trusting the
machine. 24 or 48 hours if you can afford the wait. :)
If it does not always recognize the full 16GB i would suspect you need
to increase the voltage to your RAM. You may also (or instead) need to
reduce the memory speed.
On my previous motherboard, an Abit, with Patriot DDR2 RAM, it could
handle 4GB of RAM (2x2GB) no problems, running at recommended voltage
and full speed. When I doubled that to 8GB (4x2GB) it crashed often,
but not constantly. It could not pass an overnight memory test. I
ultimately had to raise the voltage by 0.3 and reduce the speed from
800MHz to 667MHz. I ran memtest86+ for 3 days and it had no errors.
After that it worked like a champ for 2 years, no problems.
Also, if you're using DDR3 which contains XMP data (timing and voltage
presets, basically) beware that it can sometimes be wrong. I have used
2 different brands of RAM whose XMP data did not match the values
printed on the packaging. The manufacturers both times suggested I use
what's printed on the packaging and ignore what the chip itself tells
me.
And of course on my recent Core i7 920 build, I spent a month trying
to get OCZ Gold RAM to work properly with my Gigabyte motherboard.
After 2 DOA sticks exchanged and a month of trying everything I could
possibly think of it still failed memory tests (sometimes it would
only fail after 5 or 6 hours of testing) and I gave up and returned it
to the store for a refund. I ordered some Corsair XMS3 RAM online
instead, it worked right away with the recommended settings, no
messing around, and I've been running happily ever after. :)
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread* Re: [gentoo-user] Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-02-25 18:03 ` Paul Hartman
@ 2011-02-26 0:18 ` Dale
0 siblings, 0 replies; 38+ messages in thread
From: Dale @ 2011-02-26 0:18 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Paul Hartman wrote:
> When you say "memtest" what memtest are you using, exactly? The one
> from the kernel?
>
> I prefer memtest86+ as it is updated and has support for the latest
> CPUs and memory configurations. You can install it from portage and
> add an entry to your Grub menu and don't need to mess with bootable CD
> or USB or anything like that.
>
> You can test specific ranges, if you suspect the new RAM is causing
> trouble. Full memory testing of all patterns with 16 gigs of RAM can
> take forever, but in my experience tests 5 and 8 in memtest86+ are
> typically the only tests that actually produce errors on modern
> systems. If you're in a hurry you can just run test 5 and that'll give
> you many more passes in a shorter time. I would at least want to run
> this kind of test for 12 hours with no errors before trusting the
> machine. 24 or 48 hours if you can afford the wait. :)
>
> If it does not always recognize the full 16GB i would suspect you need
> to increase the voltage to your RAM. You may also (or instead) need to
> reduce the memory speed.
>
> On my previous motherboard, an Abit, with Patriot DDR2 RAM, it could
> handle 4GB of RAM (2x2GB) no problems, running at recommended voltage
> and full speed. When I doubled that to 8GB (4x2GB) it crashed often,
> but not constantly. It could not pass an overnight memory test. I
> ultimately had to raise the voltage by 0.3 and reduce the speed from
> 800MHz to 667MHz. I ran memtest86+ for 3 days and it had no errors.
> After that it worked like a champ for 2 years, no problems.
>
> Also, if you're using DDR3 which contains XMP data (timing and voltage
> presets, basically) beware that it can sometimes be wrong. I have used
> 2 different brands of RAM whose XMP data did not match the values
> printed on the packaging. The manufacturers both times suggested I use
> what's printed on the packaging and ignore what the chip itself tells
> me.
>
> And of course on my recent Core i7 920 build, I spent a month trying
> to get OCZ Gold RAM to work properly with my Gigabyte motherboard.
> After 2 DOA sticks exchanged and a month of trying everything I could
> possibly think of it still failed memory tests (sometimes it would
> only fail after 5 or 6 hours of testing) and I gave up and returned it
> to the store for a refund. I ordered some Corsair XMS3 RAM online
> instead, it worked right away with the recommended settings, no
> messing around, and I've been running happily ever after. :)
>
I figured out why it appeared not to be testing it all. I was just
checking it as I walked by and such and I guess it just happened to be
testing the first 2Gbs or so each time I walked by. I did another test
and just sat and watched a lot of it. It appears to be testing in 2Gb
chunks or something. It would test something to 2Gbs, then test 2Gbs to
4Gbs and so on. So, it was testing it all, I was just not there to see
it do it. The something in the first 2Gbs is what it needs to load the
test I guess. It was just a small amount tho.
Mine is G Skill ram. It calls for at least 1333 but I got 1600. I
usually get a little faster, in case I want to overclock a little but it
also allows for a ram that may not be quite up to speed. Plus, it was
on sale and was actually cheaper than 1333. lol That made the sale.
;-) It is DDR3 tho. It is also in ganged mode too. It is faster that
way.
I hope I don't have to swap my ram. I bought it at newegg and the
shipping would be fun I'm sure. At least I got plenty to run off of
while swapping tho.
Thanks.
Dale
:-) :-)
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Random reboots. Where to start?
[not found] ` <4d67fbde.83a0df0a.5870.3917@mx.google.com>
@ 2011-02-26 0:24 ` Dale
2011-02-26 9:27 ` Mick
` (2 more replies)
0 siblings, 3 replies; 38+ messages in thread
From: Dale @ 2011-02-26 0:24 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> let memtest86 run - for 12h.
> increase ram voltage - a bit. Like 0.01V.
> get a different psu.
>
>
12 hours? By that time, I would be in a rubber room. I would go nuts.
lol I did let it run for almost 5 hours tho. No errors.
Ooooo, I hate changing voltages. Always afraid I will let the smoke
out. We all know what happens when the smoke gets out. No more worky.
lol May have to, don't want to tho.
I think my P/S in my old rig will work in here. If I get to the point
of knowing it is hardware, that will be my first test. It doesn't cost
anything to test either. I'm still hoping it will be a OS problem tho,
bad file or something.
This reminds me. I did have to do the sysrq key thing the other day. I
was at a console but I was logged into KDE too. Maybe that messed up
something. Some file got corrupted or something.
Thanks.
Dale
:-) :-)
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 38+ messages in thread* Re: [gentoo-user] Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-02-26 0:24 ` Dale
@ 2011-02-26 9:27 ` Mick
2011-02-26 14:28 ` Dale
2011-02-26 16:18 ` [gentoo-user] " Volker Armin Hemmann
2011-02-27 10:02 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2 siblings, 1 reply; 38+ messages in thread
From: Mick @ 2011-02-26 9:27 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Saturday 26 February 2011 00:24:50 Dale wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > let memtest86 run - for 12h.
> > increase ram voltage - a bit. Like 0.01V.
> > get a different psu.
>
> 12 hours? By that time, I would be in a rubber room. I would go nuts.
> lol I did let it run for almost 5 hours tho. No errors.
>
> Ooooo, I hate changing voltages. Always afraid I will let the smoke
> out. We all know what happens when the smoke gets out. No more worky.
> lol May have to, don't want to tho.
>
> I think my P/S in my old rig will work in here. If I get to the point
> of knowing it is hardware, that will be my first test. It doesn't cost
> anything to test either. I'm still hoping it will be a OS problem tho,
> bad file or something.
>
> This reminds me. I did have to do the sysrq key thing the other day. I
> was at a console but I was logged into KDE too. Maybe that messed up
> something. Some file got corrupted or something.
Before you start tweaking voltages and replacing PSUs you better test your
*new* memory modules thoroughly, even if that means that you will be using
your old machine for a day or so.
Personally I usually remove all memory modules and then test one at a time
overnight with memtest 86+. If it gives any errors at all I would send it
back to the shop.
If they all pass, then voltage and PSU issues will need to be looked at.
Good luck.
--
Regards,
Mick
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-02-26 9:27 ` Mick
@ 2011-02-26 14:28 ` Dale
2011-02-27 17:15 ` [gentoo-user] " Grant Edwards
0 siblings, 1 reply; 38+ messages in thread
From: Dale @ 2011-02-26 14:28 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Mick wrote:
>
> Before you start tweaking voltages and replacing PSUs you better test your
> *new* memory modules thoroughly, even if that means that you will be using
> your old machine for a day or so.
>
> Personally I usually remove all memory modules and then test one at a time
> overnight with memtest 86+. If it gives any errors at all I would send it
> back to the shop.
>
> If they all pass, then voltage and PSU issues will need to be looked at.
>
> Good luck.
>
This appears to be a corrupt file somewhere. This is the current uptime:
root@fireball / # uptime
08:22:57 up 16:02, 4 users, load average: 0.12, 0.11, 0.13
root@fireball / #
It was rebooting after a couple hours or so before. All I have done so
far is basically the same as a emerge -e world. I used the script thing
tho. I did the first few hundred packages from a USB stick. Anyway, it
appears to be working fine. I'm hoping it stays that way too. I don't
want to be chasing down flakey hardware. I like having hair.
That said, I'm going to reboot, by choice, just to make sure everything
loaded is new. If it lasts until tomorrow, maybe this is fixed. I hope.
Thanks to all for the help. Will post results tomorrow.
Dale
:-) :-)
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* [gentoo-user] Re: Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-02-26 14:28 ` Dale
@ 2011-02-27 17:15 ` Grant Edwards
2011-02-27 19:43 ` Mick
0 siblings, 1 reply; 38+ messages in thread
From: Grant Edwards @ 2011-02-27 17:15 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On 2011-02-26, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mick wrote:
>>
>> Before you start tweaking voltages and replacing PSUs you better test your
>> *new* memory modules thoroughly, even if that means that you will be using
>> your old machine for a day or so.
>>
>> Personally I usually remove all memory modules and then test one at a time
>> overnight with memtest 86+. If it gives any errors at all I would send it
>> back to the shop.
>>
>> If they all pass, then voltage and PSU issues will need to be looked at.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>
> This appears to be a corrupt file somewhere.
In my experice, failing RAM often appears as a corrupt file
somewhere.
--
Grant
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-02-27 17:15 ` [gentoo-user] " Grant Edwards
@ 2011-02-27 19:43 ` Mick
2011-02-27 20:23 ` Dale
2011-02-27 23:34 ` Peter Humphrey
0 siblings, 2 replies; 38+ messages in thread
From: Mick @ 2011-02-27 19:43 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Sunday 27 February 2011 17:15:40 Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2011-02-26, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Mick wrote:
> >> Before you start tweaking voltages and replacing PSUs you better test
> >> your *new* memory modules thoroughly, even if that means that you will
> >> be using your old machine for a day or so.
> >>
> >> Personally I usually remove all memory modules and then test one at a
> >> time overnight with memtest 86+. If it gives any errors at all I would
> >> send it back to the shop.
> >>
> >> If they all pass, then voltage and PSU issues will need to be looked at.
> >>
> >> Good luck.
> >
> > This appears to be a corrupt file somewhere.
>
> In my experice, failing RAM often appears as a corrupt file
> somewhere.
Yep, when I had a failing memory module I would often end up with corrupted
files all over the place. Think about it, when the memory gave up some write
on disk function was invariably foo-barred.
--
Regards,
Mick
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-02-27 19:43 ` Mick
@ 2011-02-27 20:23 ` Dale
2011-02-27 23:34 ` Peter Humphrey
1 sibling, 0 replies; 38+ messages in thread
From: Dale @ 2011-02-27 20:23 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Mick wrote:
> On Sunday 27 February 2011 17:15:40 Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> On 2011-02-26, Dale<rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This appears to be a corrupt file somewhere.
>>>
>> In my experice, failing RAM often appears as a corrupt file
>> somewhere.
>>
> Yep, when I had a failing memory module I would often end up with corrupted
> files all over the place. Think about it, when the memory gave up some write
> on disk function was invariably foo-barred.
>
This was my logic tho. Reboots when using the OS on the hard drive.
Runs fine when booted from something else, memtest, system rescue or
even Knoppix. If it was memory, then it should fail on everything at
some point. Since it only failed when booted from the hard drive, I was
looking for issues with it.
What you are saying is completely correct tho. If I load a file into
ram that is bad, then it gets written back to the drive, that file is
broke. That will cause problems eventually and who knows what sort of
flakey issue that will be.
Anyway, recompiling everything gives me this:
root@fireball / # uptime
14:05:46 up 1 day, 5:29, 4 users, load average: 0.43, 0.24, 0.23
root@fireball / #
I think it is going to be OK now. Some file was having a bad hair day.
lol
Dale
:-) :-)
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-02-27 19:43 ` Mick
2011-02-27 20:23 ` Dale
@ 2011-02-27 23:34 ` Peter Humphrey
2011-03-01 23:14 ` Mick
1 sibling, 1 reply; 38+ messages in thread
From: Peter Humphrey @ 2011-02-27 23:34 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Sunday 27 February 2011 19:43:10 Mick wrote:
> [...] when I had a failing memory module I would often end up with
> corrupted files all over the place. Think about it, when the memory
> gave up some write on disk function was invariably foo-barred.
What, though, if you get hang-ups in some OSs but not in others, and never a
sign of file corruption?
--
Rgds
Peter
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-02-27 23:34 ` Peter Humphrey
@ 2011-03-01 23:14 ` Mick
2011-03-01 23:51 ` Peter Humphrey
0 siblings, 1 reply; 38+ messages in thread
From: Mick @ 2011-03-01 23:14 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Sunday 27 February 2011 23:34:09 Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Sunday 27 February 2011 19:43:10 Mick wrote:
> > [...] when I had a failing memory module I would often end up with
> > corrupted files all over the place. Think about it, when the memory
> > gave up some write on disk function was invariably foo-barred.
>
> What, though, if you get hang-ups in some OSs but not in others, and never
> a sign of file corruption?
Ha! I remember on an old machine when in WinXP would rarely if ever crash,
while in Gentoo would crash every time. Different OS' use memory differently.
After a year or so though the WinXP installation eventually corrupted itself
irreparably, while Gentoo (on reiserfs) soldiered on. Eventually, I bought
new memory modules and there were no more crashes.
memtest 86+ showed no errors, so I didn't know what to blame for all these
crashes. After close observation I discovered that the machine would crash
the moment it tried to start swapping. This would typically happen in the
middle of an emerge, which was rather annoying, and/or when updatedb was
running. The particular MoBo/memory controller had a dislike for memory
modules which were not identical. With new identical modules it never crashed
again.
--
Regards,
Mick
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-03-01 23:14 ` Mick
@ 2011-03-01 23:51 ` Peter Humphrey
2011-03-02 15:51 ` Mick
0 siblings, 1 reply; 38+ messages in thread
From: Peter Humphrey @ 2011-03-01 23:51 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Tuesday 01 March 2011 23:14:12 Mick wrote:
> Ha! I remember on an old machine when in WinXP would rarely if ever
> crash, while in Gentoo would crash every time.
My machine is only about a year old, built by a specialist builder of high-
performance systems, so it shouldn't be experiencing hardware failures.
> Different OS' use memory differently.
Indeed they do. My experience is the converse of yours: Gentoo does not
hang, while Fedora and Mandriva do. It's not a problem with a particular
area of the disks, as I've installed them both in different partitions and
got the same result. I assume that some kernel options don't suit my
motherboard. Don't all laugh, but it's an Asus P7P55D.
> After a year or so though the WinXP installation eventually corrupted
> itself irreparably, while Gentoo (on reiserfs) soldiered on. Eventually, I
> bought new memory modules and there were no more crashes.
Maybe I need to replace the memory. That's a bit drastic though when I
haven't actually proved it faulty.
> memtest 86+ showed no errors, so I didn't know what to blame for all
> these crashes.
It's well known that test programs can't stress a computer the way real life
does. It was true of Ferranti Argus 500 systems in 1974, and I'm sure it's
still true today.
> After close observation I discovered that the machine would crash the
> moment it tried to start swapping.
Interesting. As far as I can tell though this box doesn't swap often - it
can go weeks without doing so. As I said the other day, my 4GB is enough to
contain the work I usually do.
> This would typically happen in the middle of an emerge, which was rather
> annoying, and/or when updatedb was running.
At least you could re-run an aborted emerge; when my box hangs it just stops
responding to keyboard and mouse, and the network interface stops receiving
packets so I can't ssh in from another box to shut it down neatly. It's BRS
time.
--
Rgds
Peter
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-03-01 23:51 ` Peter Humphrey
@ 2011-03-02 15:51 ` Mick
2011-03-02 16:29 ` Neil Bothwick
0 siblings, 1 reply; 38+ messages in thread
From: Mick @ 2011-03-02 15:51 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
2011/3/1 Peter Humphrey <peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org>:
> On Tuesday 01 March 2011 23:14:12 Mick wrote:
>
>> Ha! I remember on an old machine when in WinXP would rarely if ever
>> crash, while in Gentoo would crash every time.
>
> My machine is only about a year old, built by a specialist builder of high-
> performance systems, so it shouldn't be experiencing hardware failures.
>
>> Different OS' use memory differently.
>
> Indeed they do. My experience is the converse of yours: Gentoo does not
> hang, while Fedora and Mandriva do. It's not a problem with a particular
> area of the disks, as I've installed them both in different partitions and
> got the same result. I assume that some kernel options don't suit my
> motherboard. Don't all laugh, but it's an Asus P7P55D.
>
>> After a year or so though the WinXP installation eventually corrupted
>> itself irreparably, while Gentoo (on reiserfs) soldiered on. Eventually, I
>> bought new memory modules and there were no more crashes.
>
> Maybe I need to replace the memory. That's a bit drastic though when I
> haven't actually proved it faulty.
Yes, I tend to agree. You could end up replacing the memory only to
find out that the crashes persist.
>> memtest 86+ showed no errors, so I didn't know what to blame for all
>> these crashes.
>
> It's well known that test programs can't stress a computer the way real life
> does. It was true of Ferranti Argus 500 systems in 1974, and I'm sure it's
> still true today.
I remember using a script which put the system (memory modules and
swap) through its paces. That did show me some errors which made me
replace the memory. I can't recall where I found that script, but
remember it being aired in this mailing list.
>> After close observation I discovered that the machine would crash the
>> moment it tried to start swapping.
>
> Interesting. As far as I can tell though this box doesn't swap often - it
> can go weeks without doing so. As I said the other day, my 4GB is enough to
> contain the work I usually do.
>
>> This would typically happen in the middle of an emerge, which was rather
>> annoying, and/or when updatedb was running.
>
> At least you could re-run an aborted emerge; when my box hangs it just stops
> responding to keyboard and mouse, and the network interface stops receiving
> packets so I can't ssh in from another box to shut it down neatly. It's BRS
> time.
No I couldn't. :-(
The whole system would freeze up, no keyboard, no network, no nothing.
I had to pull the plug every time.
--
Regards,
Mick
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-03-02 15:51 ` Mick
@ 2011-03-02 16:29 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-03-02 16:37 ` Mick
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From: Neil Bothwick @ 2011-03-02 16:29 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Wed, 2 Mar 2011 15:51:54 +0000, Mick wrote:
> >> This would typically happen in the middle of an emerge, which was
> >> rather annoying, and/or when updatedb was running.
> >
> > At least you could re-run an aborted emerge; when my box hangs it
> > just stops responding to keyboard and mouse, and the network
> > interface stops receiving packets so I can't ssh in from another box
> > to shut it down neatly. It's BRS time.
>
> No I couldn't. :-(
>
> The whole system would freeze up, no keyboard, no network, no nothing.
> I had to pull the plug every time.
Not even Alt-SysRq? That's a serious lockup.
You can still resume a merge after a power down, with
ebuild /path/to/ebuild merge.
--
Neil Bothwick
Drop your carrier .. we have you surrounded
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-03-02 16:29 ` Neil Bothwick
@ 2011-03-02 16:37 ` Mick
2011-03-02 16:51 ` Neil Bothwick
` (2 more replies)
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From: Mick @ 2011-03-02 16:37 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On 2 March 2011 16:29, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Mar 2011 15:51:54 +0000, Mick wrote:
>
>> >> This would typically happen in the middle of an emerge, which was
>> >> rather annoying, and/or when updatedb was running.
>> >
>> > At least you could re-run an aborted emerge; when my box hangs it
>> > just stops responding to keyboard and mouse, and the network
>> > interface stops receiving packets so I can't ssh in from another box
>> > to shut it down neatly. It's BRS time.
>>
>> No I couldn't. :-(
>>
>> The whole system would freeze up, no keyboard, no network, no nothing.
>> I had to pull the plug every time.
>
> Not even Alt-SysRq? That's a serious lockup.
Yep, when that box locked up, it didn't do it by half.
> You can still resume a merge after a power down, with
> ebuild /path/to/ebuild merge.
I see ... by path you mean /var/tmp/portage/... ?
--
Regards,
Mick
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2011-03-02 16:37 ` Mick
@ 2011-03-02 16:51 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-03-02 16:52 ` Alex Schuster
2011-03-02 23:52 ` Peter Humphrey
2 siblings, 0 replies; 38+ messages in thread
From: Neil Bothwick @ 2011-03-02 16:51 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Wed, 2 Mar 2011 16:37:11 +0000, Mick wrote:
> > You can still resume a merge after a power down, with
> > ebuild /path/to/ebuild merge.
>
> I see ... by path you mean /var/tmp/portage/... ?
The path to the actual ebuild- /usr/portage/cat/pkg/pkg-ver.ebuild
--
Neil Bothwick
The best things in life are free, but the
expensive ones are still worth a look.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-03-02 16:37 ` Mick
2011-03-02 16:51 ` Neil Bothwick
@ 2011-03-02 16:52 ` Alex Schuster
2011-03-02 23:52 ` Peter Humphrey
2 siblings, 0 replies; 38+ messages in thread
From: Alex Schuster @ 2011-03-02 16:52 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Mick writes:
> On 2 March 2011 16:29, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
> > You can still resume a merge after a power down, with
> > ebuild /path/to/ebuild merge.
>
> I see ... by path you mean /var/tmp/portage/... ?
No, /usr/portage/<category>/<package>.
Alternatively, you can use FEATURES=keepwork emerge <package>, or even
simpler with FEATURES=keepwork emerge --resume.
Wonko
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-03-02 16:37 ` Mick
2011-03-02 16:51 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-03-02 16:52 ` Alex Schuster
@ 2011-03-02 23:52 ` Peter Humphrey
2 siblings, 0 replies; 38+ messages in thread
From: Peter Humphrey @ 2011-03-02 23:52 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Wednesday 02 March 2011 16:37:11 Mick wrote:
> On 2 March 2011 16:29, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
> > You can still resume a merge after a power down, with
> > ebuild /path/to/ebuild merge.
>
> I see ... by path you mean /var/tmp/portage/... ?
No, I think he means something like:
ebuild `equery w <atom>` merge
--
Rgds
Peter
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-02-26 0:24 ` Dale
2011-02-26 9:27 ` Mick
@ 2011-02-26 16:18 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2011-02-27 10:02 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2 siblings, 0 replies; 38+ messages in thread
From: Volker Armin Hemmann @ 2011-02-26 16:18 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Friday 25 February 2011 18:24:50 Dale wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > let memtest86 run - for 12h.
> > increase ram voltage - a bit. Like 0.01V.
> > get a different psu.
>
> 12 hours?
you are right. 24h is better.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Random reboots. Where to start?
2011-02-26 0:24 ` Dale
2011-02-26 9:27 ` Mick
2011-02-26 16:18 ` [gentoo-user] " Volker Armin Hemmann
@ 2011-02-27 10:02 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2 siblings, 0 replies; 38+ messages in thread
From: Volker Armin Hemmann @ 2011-02-27 10:02 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Friday 25 February 2011 18:24:50 Dale wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > let memtest86 run - for 12h.
> > increase ram voltage - a bit. Like 0.01V.
> > get a different psu.
>
> 12 hours?
you are right. 24h is better.
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