From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1PtCKT-0006oC-9n for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 05:04:29 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C1BBF1C031 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 05:04:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yx0-f181.google.com (mail-yx0-f181.google.com [209.85.213.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45401E0799 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 04:10:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxm8 with SMTP id 8so1536608yxm.40 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 20:10:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=dbD9rS2oLNQLRC9hhriTxzod5Eq99wav8PhCFzyWoQA=; b=SnKQW1EVvCZ2c+cqs/cR+WdPgW7a5+XGwIr4ZgNoRgDyoB6KLh3Iz5QXxnWIYo52cq jc8kbeBqtBgUyKdnuPtHiRzlHc30cE/oDGObkK35eI0mrxVrKjKvvHT16aHcsmPIK7zO MetNWrlOyg2msLfHidroWpf46EQ9DEhTygGIo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xosxJW3hmm12wLumjUlYeMjrvJiWnguyODRjAEy6pAubuJEBKWCj3D9HI6qTUs54bQ L8EeZC8hTJRLuRCqim4Ixz5SuOC5K/ajUO3Cx5qKffeUSzMztXt10a6/ba21TTaJ23AO Gnug8bfRC2Jak1Es0Upm8pKLDguiGUKMtBu18= Received: by 10.100.106.4 with SMTP id e4mr1367454anc.81.1298693431593; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 20:10:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-0-94-193.jan.bellsouth.net [65.0.94.193]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 17sm1709352anx.33.2011.02.25.20.10.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 25 Feb 2011 20:10:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D687D33.9030308@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:10:27 -0600 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20110225 Gentoo/2.0.11 SeaMonkey/2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Why is KDE part of the system set? References: <20110223122538.428a246b@digimed.co.uk> <4D652E4C.6010206@gmail.com> <20110224020850.GA13228@waltdnes.org> <4D664FC8.7050405@gmail.com> <4D665352.8070209@darkmetatron.de> <4D66570A.3030506@gmail.com> <20110224145551.2a749647@zaphod.digimed.co.uk> <4D667792.6040805@gmail.com> <20110224161218.27a679a0@zaphod.digimed.co.uk> <4D669691.4000209@gmail.com> <20110225010803.GA15423@waltdnes.org> In-Reply-To: <20110225010803.GA15423@waltdnes.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: da3e850539706371482f0ee2f883f183 Walter Dnes wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:34:09AM -0600, Dale wrote > > >> I didn't tell portage to include KDE, qt, and a boatload of other stuff >> to be part of @system. Did I enable the kde USE flag, yea. That should >> be part of the world stuff not the system stuff. If I disable kde, qt >> and all the others then my GUI is going to be junk if it would even work >> at all. >> > What you're saying is that you want *SOME*, but not all, packages to > be built with certain flags. That's what package.use was designed for. > If you enable "kde" globally in your USE var, everything that can be > built with KDE support will be built with KDE support. If you enable it > for only certain packages, it will only show up for certain packages. > Not exactly. I'm saying I don't think X stuff should be in the system set regardless of USE flags. Not to long ago, there was only a 150 or so packages for system regardless of the USE flags. That has changed. I have had KDE installed on this system since day one as well as on my old system. Only recently has KDE and other X stuff been pulled into the system set. > You have "kde" and "symantic-desktop" in your USE, sorry, you're going > to pull in a lot of crap, no if's-and's-or's-but's. BTW, I assure you > that I am absolutely neutral in the GNOME/KDE war... the pox on both > their houses. I didn't buy a computer to run desktops, I bought a > computer to run applications. > True, it does pull in a lot. That shouldn't be in the system set tho. It wasn't in the past and it shouldn't be now either. > Now it's possible that many of the flags in your "combined" USE are > pulled in by your profile. The way to avoid that is to start your USE > with "-*" and only add what is absolutely necessary, either in USE in > make.conf or on a package-by-package basis in package.use. I started > doing that some years ago after the developers "in their infinite > wisdom" decided to include "ipv6" by default. Firefox and mplayer and > anything else that connected to the net would spin their wheels for 30 > to 45 seconds, while IPV6 DNS requests timed out, and then fall back to > IPV4. I did *NOT* appreciate that. > > If I am going to put "-*" in my make.conf, I may as well not select any profile except for the base profile. After all, that disables everything that the kde profile enables. Since I use KDE about 99.99% of the time, I may as well use that profile. ;-) I rarely put anything in package.use. As you can tell by my USE line, it's hard enough keeping up with config files already. It's more than enough fun trying to keep up with package.mask. You know, you add a package to package.unmask but forgot it is in package.mask and can't figure out why it is still masked. A person could go in circles for a while before thinking about it being masked locally instead of by a dev in the tree. lol I'm pleading the 5th on the number of times that has happened too. My lips are sealed. :-| >> I guess the kernel will have the kde USE flag next. lol At least >> that should be in @system tho. ;-) >> > Check your profile. Is it kde-desktop? And while you're at it, set > your "ALSA_CARDS" variable in /etc/make.conf. It seems to be pulling in > everything by default. > > I thought the ALSA_CARDS was set but it was commented out. I guess I put it in but forgot to remove the # so that it would see the setting. I guess my sound would have worked regardless of what sound card I had. lol To make my point, in the past couple days I was having random reboots. I booted from a USB stick, mounted my partitions and wanted to do a QUICK emerge -e system. Here I go compiling KDE stuff that works and doesn't need to be recompiled. I'm not to concerned about KDE, I'm just wanting to recompile the root of my system, the system packages and a new kernel. I didn't need KDE pulled into the mix. Dale :-) :-)