From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1PI7yg-0001QZ-Qk for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 22:56:48 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 478F6E073C; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 22:56:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vw0-f53.google.com (mail-vw0-f53.google.com [209.85.212.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18AB3E073C for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 22:56:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws7 with SMTP id 7so8246vws.40 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:56:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=H140P1Hy/NIbbuQCOAnWOXh0WsUnyBUWRmVH+6flUSw=; b=QmK90TwFVJOV4U3fczY7u624QTY8ARuRp4FnwdCdQJ09x2KHNtEzRQP/tNahLMd3Ua Ds7KBlhGL/sI8bAZQmzhdmUxuLHTZHLJQCMgonsqbyWOYuRo7oF4aETAoB4DIUPU5CsA SewoAE+bW2q7XuywW9cpzXzffyKtJqgsxOqtY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jRykwra6Au0atCAs+Xng5fzbJiQAQf8WJCfsfdnjTd993tX5oTmtP/1eOZnHS7Ka5T GpEcP0+8SFKicrbUqh2P+yXUbhNgg7s+ApKOr1Zp+xBstJ7FtwxyDa+wVjX7N5iUKs4c yJoCsXqSKntOHeiL7IrN1idhCYGp5eQ2Dtsfo= Received: by 10.220.180.137 with SMTP id bu9mr366020vcb.83.1289861770493; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:56:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (adsl-0-93-231.jan.bellsouth.net [65.0.93.231]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fs21sm214913vbb.10.2010.11.15.14.56.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:56:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4CE1BA87.4030307@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 16:56:07 -0600 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101109 Gentoo/2.0.10 SeaMonkey/2.0.10 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)? References: <201011141702.12072.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <201011151909.17847.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <201011151909.17847.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 03ee8529-dc6b-4a7a-a0a7-9cce9f3781d1 X-Archives-Hash: 84678c7299c101847e034f186355c83c Alan McKinnon wrote: > Apparently, though unproven, at 17:31 on Monday 15 November 2010, Grant > Edwards did opine thusly: > > >> On 2010-11-14, Mick wrote: >> >>> Finally, if xorg-server-1.8 is around the corner to be stabilised I >>> suggest that you unmask it and use the xorg.conf file that we all >>> know and love. :-) >>> >> Using xorg.conf with 1.7 is simple enough (it's what I do on all my >> other machines). That's why I don't understand why the Gentoo >> developers decided to use HAL by default when it seems to be widely >> acknowledged to be such a disaster. >> > The Gentoo devs made no such decision. > > Upstream did. > > Gentoo closely tracks upstream, unless upstream is completely broken. HAL > might be a crock of chit, but it does not render X broken and not usable. > > > Actually, it rendered mine broken and not usable. If upstream walks off the edge of a cliff, does Gentoo follow upstream then? What would have been nice is if Gentoo would have at least made it something that the user has to chose to do pro-actively and not the default. If they had done that, for say six months or more, then the devs would have been able to see the disaster and left it off by default. Actually, they may could have even seen that it wasn't going to last at all and then not ever have a user using it unless they chose too and enabled it themselves. It's not like hal lasted for many years as a "stable" project. I generally trust the devs. I did when I let hal take over the config of X since it was the new way of doing things. You think I feel the same way now? To give you a hint, I haven't switched to polkit or whatever it is being called now. I think the reason is obvious. I don't have the same amount of trust as I did before. They followed upstream with hal and left me in a pickle. I haven't forgotten that yet and won't for a long time. I'll switch when I am reasonably sure it is safe to do so. That information will come from folks that are users tho, not devs. If a lot of users don't like it or have trouble with it, I won't switch. The key is the users this time. You, Alan, being one of them. You got more trust with me than the devs do. Why, I don't recall you guiding me off the cliff. I didn't mention the KDE4 mess on purpose. KDE didn't leave Gentoo with a option since it stopped support for it. Different situation there. Very little choices to pick from. Dale :-) :-)