[gentoo-user] XSESSION="Xsession" doesn't work!

[gentoo-user] XSESSION="Xsession" doesn't work!

[Stroller]

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Hi there,

I'm fairly experienced with Linux and have been using Gentoo for over  
3 years, but mostly I only use it on headless servers, so I'm afraid  
I don't know much about GUI stuff.

I've just installed Gentoo on my PS3, which I want to use mostly for  
playing DVDs at the moment (and as a MythTV frontend eventually). My  
expectations when running X (let's say adding /etc/init.d/xdm to the  
default runlevel) are that I'm presented with a login prompt, there  
should be a mouse cursor & stuff and when I log in I should be  
presented with a terminal window in which I can type my command to  
run `mplayer` or whatever.

I'd expect shortly to get mplayer or vlc or something running  
automatically when the system completes booting-up - this is what  
MythTV users typically do so that their system behaves more like a TV- 
appliance than a Linux machine - but I'd like to skip that for the  
moment whilst I log in as my own user, play with different media  
players & work out which one suits me best.

Gentoo for the PS3 is supplied as a LiveCD for chrooting and a stage4  
tarball - I've only ever used stage1 (3 or more years ago) and stage3  
(more recently) tarballs in the past. This stage4 is  quick to set up  
and the basics seem to work very well - I can log in at the  
framebuffer & surf the internet using elinks :D. This stag4 also  
includes fluxbox, which I haven't used before & am not really  
interested in but which I haven't uninstalled yet.

The Gentoo X Server Configuration HOWTO <http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ 
xorg-config.xml> has much that doesn't seem relevant to me right now,  
seeing as the stage comes with both Xorg itself and a suitable  
xorg.conf for the PS3 preinstalled, but if I skip to just after code  
listing 3.6 it tells me how the value of XSESSION is read from /etc/ 
rc.conf

Reading /etc/rc.conf I find:
   # Xsession - will start a terminal and a few other nice apps
This seem perfect for me. I don't care that it's described elsewhere  
as ugly - I think this is twm, Xorg's own default window-manager? -   
but if it pops open a terminal window when I log in, and maybe xclock  
then I'm good to go.

What confuses me is that this doesn't work. It works perfectly if I set:
   XSESSION="fluxbox"
- I get the fluxbox menubar at the bottom of the screen and I can  
open terminal windows & stuff
but not when I set
   XSESSION="Xsession"

Diagnostics I can think of:
    $ grep ^X /etc/rc.conf
    XSESSION="Xsession"
    $ ls -l /etc/X11/Sessions/
    total 8
    -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2187 Jun 10 19:31 Xsession
    -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root   22 Jun 10 19:50 fluxbox
    $ grep DISPLAYMANAGER /etc/conf.d/xdm
    DISPLAYMANAGER="xdm"

When I log in remotely & run `sudo /etc/init.d/xdm start` I get a  
simple login window with an X11-type logo on the right-hand side.  
Once I use the connected keyboard & mouse - which work perfectly - to  
enter my user & password I see a window titled "Session Menu";  it  
appears to have a kind of text box in which is displayed  
"chooseSessionListWidget" - all I can choose is the "Failsafe /  
Default" which gives me a grey X11 background with the (correct)  
chunky black X cursor. No terminals or other windows open and I'm  
unable to work out how the heck to start an app. When I `sudo /etc/ 
init.d/xdm restart` via SSH I again get the login window and this  
time the Session Menu says "fail safe" in the "text box" - I now have  
extra load session & delete session buttons but they don't do  
anything useful.

I have followed the pointers in the "startx no longer gives gnome"  
thread <http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/185659> but  
no joy. If, instead of starting `/etc/init.d/xdm`, I log in at the  
framebuffer prompt and type ` XSESSION="Xsession" startx` I again get  
the "Session Menu" window and the X cursor, but this time a black  
background behind that widow and a _black_ screen when I log in.

There's no .xsession stuff in my home directory - I even deleted  
~/.*to be paranoid-sure of this. Whups, there goes my bash history!!  
None of the log files show anything useful or relevant - I've even  
run `watch -n 0.3 ls -lt /var/log/` and the only ones that change are  
xdm.log, Xorg.0.log and the weird binary file wtmp. They all show X  
starting swimingly but not the sesssion stuff. I don't know what else  
to say.

What's weird is that I _did_ see the expected terminal windows  
opening yesterday, but I can't reproduce them now. The behaviour  
seemed to be correct when I ran `startx` but not when I added xdm to  
the default runlevel & started it that way. But now it doesn't work  
at all.

I've attached the actual /etc/X11/Sessions/Xsession file, but I'm  
sure this is unchanged - I'm sure it's exactly as shipped by Gentoo  
by default. I've thought about replacing that with a simple `echo  
"hello world`", but I'm not sure how to do that within the X11  
environment.

Many thanks indeed for the time you've taken reading this, and for  
your patience and in advance for any help or suggestions you can offer,

Stroller.



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#!/bin/sh
# $XConsortium: Xsession /main/10 1995/12/18 18:21:28 gildea $

case $# in
1)
	case $1 in
	failsafe)
		exec xterm -geometry 80x24-0-0
		;;
	esac
esac

# redirect errors to a file in user's home directory if we can
for errfile in "$HOME/.xsession-errors" "${TMPDIR-/tmp}/xses-$USER" "/tmp/xses-$USER"
do
	if ( cp /dev/null "$errfile" 2> /dev/null )
	then
		chmod 600 "$errfile"
		exec > "$errfile" 2>&1
		break
	fi
done

# clean up after xbanner
if which freetemp 2> /dev/null ; then
	freetemp
fi

startup=$HOME/.xsession

userresources=$HOME/.Xresources 
usermodmap=$HOME/.Xmodmap 
userxkbmap=$HOME/.Xkbmap

sysresources=/etc/X11/Xresources 
sysmodmap=/etc/X11/Xmodmap 
sysxkbmap=/etc/X11/Xkbmap

rh6sysresources=/etc/X11/xinit/Xresources 
rh6sysmodmap=/etc/X11/xinit/Xmodmap 


# merge in defaults
if [ -f "$rh6sysresources" ]; then
    xrdb -merge "$rh6sysresources"
fi

if [ -f "$sysresources" ]; then
    xrdb -merge "$sysresources"
fi

if [ -f "$userresources" ]; then
    xrdb -merge "$userresources"
fi

# merge in keymaps
if [ -f "$sysxkbmap" ]; then
    setxkbmap `cat "$sysxkbmap"`
    XKB_IN_USE=yes
fi

if [ -f "$userxkbmap" ]; then
    setxkbmap `cat "$userxkbmap"`
    XKB_IN_USE=yes
fi

#
# Eeek, this seems like too much magic here
#
if [ -z "$XKB_IN_USE" -a ! -L /etc/X11/X ]; then
    if grep '^exec.*/Xsun' /etc/X11/X > /dev/null 2>&1 && [ -f /etc/X11/XF86Config ]; then
       xkbsymbols=`sed -n -e 's/^[     ]*XkbSymbols[   ]*"\(.*\)".*$/\1/p' /etc/X11/XF86Config`
       if [ -n "$xkbsymbols" ]; then
           setxkbmap -symbols "$xkbsymbols"
           XKB_IN_USE=yes
       fi
    fi
fi

# xkb and xmodmap don't play nice together
if [ -z "$XKB_IN_USE" ]; then
    if [ -f "$rh6sysmodmap" ]; then
       xmodmap "$rh6sysmodmap"
    fi

    if [ -f "$sysmodmap" ]; then
       xmodmap "$sysmodmap"
    fi

    if [ -f "$usermodmap" ]; then
       xmodmap "$usermodmap"
    fi
fi

unset XKB_IN_USE

if [ -x "$startup" ]; then
	exec "$startup"
elif [ -x "$HOME/.Xclients" ]; then
	exec "$HOME/.Xclients"
elif [ -x /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients ]; then
	exec /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients
elif [ -x /etc/X11/Xclients ]; then
	exec /etc/X11/Xclients
else
	exec xsm
fi

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Re: [gentoo-user] XSESSION="Xsession" doesn't work!

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Dienstag, 17. Juli 2007, Stroller wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I'm fairly experienced with Linux and have been using Gentoo for over
> 3 years, but mostly I only use it on headless servers, so I'm afraid
> I don't know much about GUI stuff.
>
> I've just installed Gentoo on my PS3, which I want to use mostly for
> playing DVDs at the moment (and as a MythTV frontend eventually). My
> expectations when running X (let's say adding /etc/init.d/xdm to the
> default runlevel) are that I'm presented with a login prompt, there
> should be a mouse cursor & stuff and when I log in I should be
> presented with a terminal window in which I can type my command to
> run `mplayer` or whatever.
>
> I'd expect shortly to get mplayer or vlc or something running
> automatically when the system completes booting-up - this is what
> MythTV users typically do so that their system behaves more like a TV-
> appliance than a Linux machine - but I'd like to skip that for the
> moment whilst I log in as my own user, play with different media
> players & work out which one suits me best.
>
> Gentoo for the PS3 is supplied as a LiveCD for chrooting and a stage4
> tarball - I've only ever used stage1 (3 or more years ago) and stage3
> (more recently) tarballs in the past. This stage4 is  quick to set up
> and the basics seem to work very well - I can log in at the
> framebuffer & surf the internet using elinks :D. This stag4 also
> includes fluxbox, which I haven't used before & am not really
> interested in but which I haven't uninstalled yet.
>
> The Gentoo X Server Configuration HOWTO <http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/
> xorg-config.xml> has much that doesn't seem relevant to me right now,
> seeing as the stage comes with both Xorg itself and a suitable
> xorg.conf for the PS3 preinstalled, but if I skip to just after code
> listing 3.6 it tells me how the value of XSESSION is read from /etc/
> rc.conf
>
> Reading /etc/rc.conf I find:
>    # Xsession - will start a terminal and a few other nice apps
> This seem perfect for me. I don't care that it's described elsewhere
> as ugly - I think this is twm, Xorg's own default window-manager? -
> but if it pops open a terminal window when I log in, and maybe xclock
> then I'm good to go.
>
> What confuses me is that this doesn't work. It works perfectly if I set:
>    XSESSION="fluxbox"
> - I get the fluxbox menubar at the bottom of the screen and I can
> open terminal windows & stuff
> but not when I set
>    XSESSION="Xsession"
>
> Diagnostics I can think of:
>     $ grep ^X /etc/rc.conf
>     XSESSION="Xsession"
>     $ ls -l /etc/X11/Sessions/
>     total 8
>     -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2187 Jun 10 19:31 Xsession
>     -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root   22 Jun 10 19:50 fluxbox
>     $ grep DISPLAYMANAGER /etc/conf.d/xdm
>     DISPLAYMANAGER="xdm"
>
> When I log in remotely & run `sudo /etc/init.d/xdm start` I get a
> simple login window with an X11-type logo on the right-hand side.
> Once I use the connected keyboard & mouse - which work perfectly - to
> enter my user & password I see a window titled "Session Menu";  it
> appears to have a kind of text box in which is displayed
> "chooseSessionListWidget" - all I can choose is the "Failsafe /
> Default" which gives me a grey X11 background with the (correct)
> chunky black X cursor. No terminals or other windows open and I'm
> unable to work out how the heck to start an app. When I `sudo /etc/
> init.d/xdm restart` via SSH I again get the login window and this
> time the Session Menu says "fail safe" in the "text box" - I now have
> extra load session & delete session buttons but they don't do
> anything useful.
>
> I have followed the pointers in the "startx no longer gives gnome"
> thread <http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/185659> but
> no joy. If, instead of starting `/etc/init.d/xdm`, I log in at the
> framebuffer prompt and type ` XSESSION="Xsession" startx` I again get
> the "Session Menu" window and the X cursor, but this time a black
> background behind that widow and a _black_ screen when I log in.
>
> There's no .xsession stuff in my home directory - I even deleted
> ~/.*to be paranoid-sure of this. Whups, there goes my bash history!!
> None of the log files show anything useful or relevant - I've even
> run `watch -n 0.3 ls -lt /var/log/` and the only ones that change are
> xdm.log, Xorg.0.log and the weird binary file wtmp. They all show X
> starting swimingly but not the sesssion stuff. I don't know what else
> to say.
>
> What's weird is that I _did_ see the expected terminal windows
> opening yesterday, but I can't reproduce them now. The behaviour
> seemed to be correct when I ran `startx` but not when I added xdm to
> the default runlevel & started it that way. But now it doesn't work
> at all.
>
> I've attached the actual /etc/X11/Sessions/Xsession file, but I'm
> sure this is unchanged - I'm sure it's exactly as shipped by Gentoo
> by default. I've thought about replacing that with a simple `echo
> "hello world`", but I'm not sure how to do that within the X11
> environment.
>
> Many thanks indeed for the time you've taken reading this, and for
> your patience and in advance for any help or suggestions you can offer,
>
> Stroller.

say, how many times have you sent this mail? I count seven so far.

One mail would have been enough!
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Re: [gentoo-user] XSESSION="Xsession" doesn't work!

[Elias Probst]

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Am Dienstag, 17. Juli 2007 23:01:12 schrieb Stroller:
> Hi there,
>
> I'm fairly experienced with Linux and have been using Gentoo for over
> 3 years, ...
Probably, you're not that fairly experienced regarding the usage of your mail 
client. ;-)

Regards, Elias P.
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Re: [gentoo-user] XSESSION="Xsession" doesn't work!

[Dale]

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Elias Probst wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 17. Juli 2007 23:01:12 schrieb Stroller:
>   
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I'm fairly experienced with Linux and have been using Gentoo for over
>> 3 years, ...
>>     
> Probably, you're not that fairly experienced regarding the usage of your mail 
> client. ;-)
>
> Regards, Elias P.
>   

Well, I don't know about yours but mine says they were all sent at the
same exact time.  So why are they arriving at different times?  Are we
sure this is him and not something else?

It is weird though.  Something fishy somewhere.

Dale

:-)  :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] XSESSION="Xsession" doesn't work!

[Patrick Holthaus]

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Hi!

> >> I'm fairly experienced with Linux and have been using Gentoo for over
> >> 3 years, ...
> >
> > Probably, you're not that fairly experienced regarding the usage of your
> > mail client. ;-)
> >
> > Regards, Elias P.
>
> Well, I don't know about yours but mine says they were all sent at the
> same exact time.  So why are they arriving at different times?  Are we
> sure this is him and not something else?
>
> It is weird though.  Something fishy somewhere.

His mail arrived exactly once here.

Patrick

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Re: [gentoo-user] XSESSION="Xsession" doesn't work!

[Dale]

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Patrick Holthaus wrote:
> Hi!
>
>   
>>>> I'm fairly experienced with Linux and have been using Gentoo for over
>>>> 3 years, ...
>>>>         
>>> Probably, you're not that fairly experienced regarding the usage of your
>>> mail client. ;-)
>>>
>>> Regards, Elias P.
>>>       
>> Well, I don't know about yours but mine says they were all sent at the
>> same exact time.  So why are they arriving at different times?  Are we
>> sure this is him and not something else?
>>
>> It is weird though.  Something fishy somewhere.
>>     
>
> His mail arrived exactly once here.
>
> Patrick
>   

Well, has anybody else had emails from the list that the messages are
being bounced?  I have had that twice today.  Could that have anything
to do with this, even though some others have got several copies of the
email too.

Oh, the ones from -dev was the ones being bounced not this list.  This
list has been doing fine, as have the rest of my email.

Confused.

Dale

:-)  :-)

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[gentoo-user] Mail client usage? (was: XSESSION="Xsession" doesn't work!)

[Alexander Skwar]

Elias Probst <mail@eliasprobst.eu> wrote:

> Am Dienstag, 17. Juli 2007 23:01:12 schrieb Stroller:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I'm fairly experienced with Linux and have been using Gentoo for over
>> 3 years, ...
> Probably, you're not that fairly experienced regarding the usage of your
> mail client. ;-)

I'm curious - what makes you say that? Stroller sent one post to the
list and one post has shown up. At least that's how it looks like over
here on the GMane side of things.
 
Alexander Skwar

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mail client usage? (was: XSESSION="Xsession" doesn't work!)

[Dirk Heinrichs]

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Am Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2007 schrieb ext Alexander Skwar:

> I'm curious - what makes you say that? Stroller sent one post to the
> list and one post has shown up. At least that's how it looks like over
> here on the GMane side of things.

I received it multiple times, too.

Bye...

	Dirk
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Re: [gentoo-user] XSESSION="Xsession" doesn't work!

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 01:16:06 -0500, Dale wrote:

> Well, I don't know about yours but mine says they were all sent at the
> same exact time.  So why are they arriving at different times?  Are we
> sure this is him and not something else?

More importantly, they all have the same Message-ID. However, the
received headers shown that the Gentoo server received each copy from a
different source. Something along the line was sending multiple copies
via different routes.


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[gentoo-user] Multiple Messages (was: XSESSION="Xsession" doesn't work!)

[Alexander Skwar]

Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 01:16:06 -0500, Dale wrote:
> 
>> Well, I don't know about yours but mine says they were all sent at the
>> same exact time.  So why are they arriving at different times?  Are we
>> sure this is him and not something else?
> 
> More importantly, they all have the same Message-ID. 

Ah, that's why I don't see the messages multiple times. I'm using Gmane
and access it with a Usenet newsreader. In Usenet, it's not possible for
multiple articles to have the same Message-ID.

Anyway, I think it would be proper to say that this barf up was probably
not caused by something the OP has done.

Alexander Skwar

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mail client usage? (was: XSESSION="Xsession" doesn't work!)

[Dirk Heinrichs]

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Am Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2007 schrieb ext Dirk Heinrichs:
> Am Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2007 schrieb ext Alexander Skwar:
> > I'm curious - what makes you say that? Stroller sent one post to the
> > list and one post has shown up. At least that's how it looks like over
> > here on the GMane side of things.
>
> I received it multiple times, too.

New ones still arriving :-(

Bye...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mail client usage?

[Alexander Skwar]

Dirk Heinrichs schrieb:
> Am Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2007 schrieb ext Dirk Heinrichs:
>> Am Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2007 schrieb ext Alexander Skwar:
>>> I'm curious - what makes you say that? Stroller sent one post to the
>>> list and one post has shown up. At least that's how it looks like over
>>> here on the GMane side of things.
>> I received it multiple times, too.
> 
> New ones still arriving :-(

Hm. Even when I use the mailinglist (ie. not the Gmane interface),
I see his message only once.

Strange.

Alexander Skwar
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[gentoo-user] Re: Mail client usage?

[Alexander Skwar]

Alexander Skwar <listen@alexander.skwar.name> wrote:

> Dirk Heinrichs schrieb:
>> Am Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2007 schrieb ext Dirk Heinrichs:
>>> Am Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2007 schrieb ext Alexander Skwar:
>>>> I'm curious - what makes you say that? Stroller sent one post to the
>>>> list and one post has shown up. At least that's how it looks like over
>>>> here on the GMane side of things.
>>> I received it multiple times, too.
>> 
>> New ones still arriving :-(
> 
> Hm. Even when I use the mailinglist (ie. not the Gmane interface),
> I see his message only once.
> 
> Strange.

Nevermind. I just remembered, that I have my system setup so, that
it discards "dupes". Sorry.

Alexander Skwar

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Re: [gentoo-user] XSESSION="Xsession" doesn't work!

[Stroller]

On 18 Jul 2007, at 07:03, Elias Probst wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 17. Juli 2007 23:01:12 schrieb Stroller:
>>
>> I'm fairly experienced with Linux and have been using Gentoo for over
>> 3 years, ...
>
> Probably, you're not that fairly experienced regarding the usage of  
> your mail
> client. ;-)

With the use of Postfix.

My profusest apologies.

I've added lists.gentoo.org to the section of /etc/transports  
commented "times out for no apparent reason while sending end of  
data". Future posts will be relayed via my ISP, whose mailservers  
always accept messages from me first time.

Stroller. 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Mail client usage?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2007, Alexander Skwar wrote:
> Alexander Skwar <listen@alexander.skwar.name> wrote:
> > Dirk Heinrichs schrieb:
> >> Am Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2007 schrieb ext Dirk Heinrichs:
> >>> Am Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2007 schrieb ext Alexander Skwar:
> >>>> I'm curious - what makes you say that? Stroller sent one post to the
> >>>> list and one post has shown up. At least that's how it looks like over
> >>>> here on the GMane side of things.
> >>>
> >>> I received it multiple times, too.
> >>
> >> New ones still arriving :-(
> >
> > Hm. Even when I use the mailinglist (ie. not the Gmane interface),
> > I see his message only once.
> >
> > Strange.
>
> Nevermind. I just remembered, that I have my system setup so, that
> it discards "dupes". Sorry.
>
> Alexander Skwar

that comes handy - I am now at a douzend copies of the same mail - and no 
end...
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Re: [gentoo-user] XSESSION="Xsession" doesn't work!

[Mick]

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On Wednesday 18 July 2007 07:16, Dale wrote:
> Elias Probst wrote:
> > Am Dienstag, 17. Juli 2007 23:01:12 schrieb Stroller:
> >> Hi there,
> >>
> >> I'm fairly experienced with Linux and have been using Gentoo for over
> >> 3 years, ...
> >
> > Probably, you're not that fairly experienced regarding the usage of your
> > mail client. ;-)
> >
> > Regards, Elias P.
>
> Well, I don't know about yours but mine says they were all sent at the
> same exact time.  So why are they arriving at different times?  Are we
> sure this is him and not something else?
>
> It is weird though.  Something fishy somewhere.

For what it's worth I only got the one.  If everyone else got multiple 
messages then perhaps gmail is filtering them.

With regards to the OP getting twm running, that should be the default WM if 
Xsession is used.  Does your /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc contain something like 
this at the bottom?
================================
 # start some nice programs
   twm &
   xclock -geometry 50x50-1+1 &
   xterm -geometry 80x50+494+51 &
   xterm -geometry 80x20+494-0 &
   exec xterm -geometry 80x66+0+0 -name login
================================

What is the default shell that the user has in this OS image?  That may affect 
how xinit is run and what it can do thereafter.  Also, if you hosed 
you .bashrc and a shell was defined in there, then that might explain why you 
could see xterms launching before, but not any more.

Anyway, just some loose thoughts.  Perhaps you can reload the image afresh and 
see what happens then.

HTH.
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Re: [gentoo-user] XSESSION="Xsession" doesn't work!

[Stroller]

Hi Mick,

Thank you for bringing this thread back in a direction which might  
help me.
:D


On 18 Jul 2007, at 19:26, Mick wrote:
> ...
> With regards to the OP getting twm running, that should be the  
> default WM if
> Xsession is used.  Does your /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc contain  
> something like
> this at the bottom?
> ================================
>  # start some nice programs
>    twm &
>    xclock -geometry 50x50-1+1 &
>    xterm -geometry 80x50+494+51 &
>    xterm -geometry 80x20+494-0 &
>    exec xterm -geometry 80x66+0+0 -name login
> ================================

Yes, exactly so.

I've just checked that is so and, anyway, I'm sure that file is  
exactly as shipped - I don't think I've changed the Xorg  
configuration at all since I installed Gentoo earlier this week.  
Since the stage is intended for use on a PS3 nothing should need  
doing to that or xorg.conf. :D

I believe that the only changes I've made are these:
     $ grep ^X /etc/rc.conf
     XSESSION="Xsession"
     $ grep DISPLAYMANAGER /etc/conf.d/xdm
     DISPLAYMANAGER="xdm"

> What is the default shell that the user has in this OS image?

Um, Bash. I can't help thinking you mean that differently, but I'm  
confusled how.

I think the default XSESSION value in /etc/rc.conf is fluxbox.

> ... Also, if you hosed
> you .bashrc and a shell was defined in there, then that might  
> explain why you
> could see xterms launching before, but not any more.

Nope. The .bashrc is my standard one which is based on Gentoo's  
default .bashrc from c 4 years ago with $PS1 prompt & colours  
changed, history size set to 900 commands and a few aliases added.  
This same .bashrc is in use on more than one headless server and I've  
had no cause in the past to change it to accommodate X11.

I only wiped the ~/.* files _after_ the xterms stopped loading  
completely. I get the same behaviour copying the very same .bashrc  
& .bash_profile back again. I'm pretty sure that I was originally  
getting the misbehaviour when xdm was started by init.d but getting  
the xterms when I logged in as myself at the framebuffer login & ran  
`startx`; as I say, I can't reproduce this, or explain why it's no  
longer working.

If anyone has time to change XSESSION="Xsession" and log on to their  
machine as a new user I would be grateful to hear what results they  
get. I can't help wondering if this is a little-tested option and  
can't help hoping it's broken globally.

> Anyway, just some loose thoughts.  Perhaps you can reload the image  
> afresh and
> see what happens then.

I'm tempted to do that, however I have about a dozen hours  
compilation on this machine - adding links, elinks, samba & other  
essential utilities and upgrading portage. Fiddling around with  
make.conf /etc/portage/* and so on is more time consuming than one  
imagines and really I'd like to know _why_ this installation isn't  
working. Hosing it away is kinda cheating.

Stroller.

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Re: [gentoo-user] XSESSION="Xsession" doesn't work!

[James Ausmus]

<snip>

> If anyone has time to change XSESSION="Xsession" and log on to their
> machine as a new user I would be grateful to hear what results they
> get. I can't help wondering if this is a little-tested option and
> can't help hoping it's broken globally.


Did so - changed DISPLAYMANAGER="xdm" and XSESSION="Xsession", and I
get the same login scenario that you described - ugly (yup, that's xdm
all right), proceeds to a Session Menu dialog with Load Session,
Delete Session, and Default/Fail Safe as options. I select
Default/Fail Safe, and I then have to place the xsm window and then an
xterm window, and everything seems as I would expect from twm.

A few questions:

1.  Once you are logged in, if you left or right-click on the gray
background, do any options come up?
2.  What is the output of emerge -pv twm xsm xterm
3.  Any output from revdep-rebuild -p -v?

-James
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Re: [gentoo-user] XSESSION="Xsession" doesn't work!

[Dan Farrell]

Have you used ~/.xsession ? 

That's what I do for a 'custom' session.  Search for xsession in the X
manpage for more information on this.  
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Re: [gentoo-user] XSESSION="Xsession" doesn't work!

[Stroller]

Thanks very much indeed for your help, James.


On 19 Jul 2007, at 00:47, James Ausmus wrote:
> <snip>
>> If anyone has time to change XSESSION="Xsession" and log on to their
>> machine as a new user I would be grateful to hear what results they
>> get. I can't help wondering if this is a little-tested option and
>> can't help hoping it's broken globally.
>
> Did so - changed DISPLAYMANAGER="xdm" and XSESSION="Xsession", and I
> get the same login scenario that you described - ugly (yup, that's xdm
> all right), proceeds to a Session Menu dialog with Load Session,
> Delete Session, and Default/Fail Safe as options. I select
> Default/Fail Safe, and I then have to place the xsm window and then an
> xterm window, and everything seems as I would expect from twm.
>
> A few questions:
>
> 1.  Once you are logged in, if you left or right-click on the gray
> background, do any options come up?

Nope, none at all. Nothing happens. I have no way at all of knowing  
the mouse buttons are working - except, of course, that they work  
when I click on the window with the Default/Fail Safe options.

> 2.  What is the output of emerge -pv twm xsm xterm

$ emerge -pv twm xsm xterm

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild   R   ] x11-wm/twm-1.0.3  USE="-debug" 0 kB
[ebuild   R   ] x11-apps/xsm-1.0.1  USE="-debug -xprint" 115 kB
[ebuild   R   ] x11-terms/xterm-225  USE="truetype unicode -Xaw3d - 
paste64 -toolbar" 803 kB

Total: 3 packages (3 reinstalls), Size of downloads: 917 kB
$

I think I remerged twm around the time I originally posted, but will  
have another go at recompiling all of these now.

> 3.  Any output from revdep-rebuild -p -v?

$ revdep-rebuild -p -v
Configuring search environment for revdep-rebuild

Checking reverse dependencies...

Packages containing binaries and libraries broken by a package update
will be emerged.

Collecting system binaries and libraries... done.
   (/home/stroller/.revdep-rebuild.1_files)

Collecting complete LD_LIBRARY_PATH... done.
   (/home/stroller/.revdep-rebuild.2_ldpath)

Checking dynamic linking consistency...

done.
   (/home/stroller/.revdep-rebuild.3_rebuild)

Assigning files to ebuilds... Nothing to rebuild

Evaluating package order... done.
   (/home/stroller/.revdep-rebuild.5_order)

Dynamic linking on your system is consistent... All done.
$

:(

Stroller.
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