[gentoo-user] Mailing list policy on reply

[gentoo-user] Mailing list policy on reply

[Nicolas Sebrecht]

Hi all,

I'm often stucked by the current policy in this mailing list changing
the 'Reply-To' header to the mailing list address.  Most mailing lists I
use don't do that.

It is usually better and prefer the "answer to all" policy as it permit
to be notified of an answer without having to track the whole mailing
list.

What do you think about changing of policy?

-- 
Nicolas Sebrecht

[gentoo-user] Re: Mailing list policy on reply

[Grant Edwards]

On 2010-07-02, Nicolas Sebrecht <nicolas.s-dev@laposte.net> wrote:

> I'm often stucked by the current policy in this mailing list changing
> the 'Reply-To' header to the mailing list address.  Most mailing
> lists I use don't do that.
>
> It is usually better and prefer the "answer to all" policy as it
> permit to be notified of an answer without having to track the whole
> mailing list.
>
> What do you think about changing of policy?

I'd rather not get replies sent directly to my address, so I prefer it
the way it is.

-- 
Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Mailing list policy on reply

[Dale]

Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2010-07-02, Nicolas Sebrecht<nicolas.s-dev@laposte.net>  wrote:
>
>    
>> I'm often stucked by the current policy in this mailing list changing
>> the 'Reply-To' header to the mailing list address.  Most mailing
>> lists I use don't do that.
>>
>> It is usually better and prefer the "answer to all" policy as it
>> permit to be notified of an answer without having to track the whole
>> mailing list.
>>
>> What do you think about changing of policy?
>>      
> I'd rather not get replies sent directly to my address, so I prefer it
> the way it is.
>
>    

+1

When they start a new list and it is not set up this way, it causes 
confusion.  This was discussed before on another list.  I don't see this 
changing anytime soon and hope it doesn't.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list policy on reply

[Mihamina Rakotomandimby]

> Nicolas Sebrecht <nicolas.s-dev@laposte.net> :
>It is usually better and prefer the "answer to all"

If the replier-to-all thinks of removing unwanted recipients, yes.
But most of the time, people "reply-to-really-all" and that annoys.

Among that, when replying-to-all, messages "To:" the mailing list are
"List-id"/"X-Mailing-List" set, but the others are not.
As far as the clever filter way is to filter on
"List-id"/"X-Mailing-List" (not on the "Subject:" for mailing
lists), I'd rather "Reply-To" on the list.

-- 

       Architecte Informatique chez Blueline/Gulfsat:
    Administration Systeme, Recherche & Developpement
                                    +261 34 56 000 19

Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list policy on reply

[Alan McKinnon]

On Friday 02 July 2010 02:54:33 Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm often stucked by the current policy in this mailing list changing
> the 'Reply-To' header to the mailing list address.  Most mailing lists I
> use don't do that.
> 
> It is usually better and prefer the "answer to all" policy as it permit
> to be notified of an answer without having to track the whole mailing
> list.
> 
> What do you think about changing of policy?



We have been over this and over this and over this endless times over the past 
5 years.

For every stated reason why reply-to munging is considered harmful there is an 
equal and opposite reason why it isn't. And every time we discuss this we just 
leave the system as is.

You should learn to deal with it. There is no correct answer. There is only an 
awareness of how the list you are using works.


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list policy on reply

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 02:54:33 +0200, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:

> It is usually better and prefer the "answer to all" policy as it permit
> to be notified of an answer without having to track the whole mailing
> list.

If I post to the list, I expect a reply via the list. Getting two replies
is annoying, especially if I don't realise the private one is a duplicate
and reply to it before checking the list. One of the main points of a list
is that it is a public discussion, archived for all to see, fragmenting
conversations into private mail defeats that point.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Engineers do it with less resistance.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list policy on reply

[Alan McKinnon]

On Friday 02 July 2010 10:14:38 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 02:54:33 +0200, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
> > It is usually better and prefer the "answer to all" policy as it permit
> > to be notified of an answer without having to track the whole mailing
> > list.
> 
> If I post to the list, I expect a reply via the list. Getting two replies
> is annoying, especially if I don't realise the private one is a duplicate
> and reply to it before checking the list. One of the main points of a list
> is that it is a public discussion, archived for all to see, fragmenting
> conversations into private mail defeats that point.

Very true.

I'm not sending this very reply to Neil. I'm sending it to the entire group of 
people on the list.

That is the entire intent of a mailing list and the Reply-To policy reflects 
that.


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

[gentoo-user] Re: Mailing list policy on reply

[Nuno J. Silva]

Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> writes:

> Grant Edwards wrote:
>> On 2010-07-02, Nicolas Sebrecht<nicolas.s-dev@laposte.net>  wrote:
>>
>>    
>>> I'm often stucked by the current policy in this mailing list changing
>>> the 'Reply-To' header to the mailing list address.  Most mailing
>>> lists I use don't do that.
>>>
>>> It is usually better and prefer the "answer to all" policy as it
>>> permit to be notified of an answer without having to track the whole
>>> mailing list.
>>>
>>> What do you think about changing of policy?

Like others, I'm happy with this as it is. But YMMV.

> When they start a new list and it is not set up this way, it causes
> confusion.  This was discussed before on another list.  I don't see
> this changing anytime soon and hope it doesn't.

Is there a way for someone to add another address to Reply-To? (Does the
list management software overwrite the header or just appends its
address?)

Such a way would suit the OP and people who don't want duplicate
messages at the same time. 

Meanwhile the OP might want to add a request to be CC'ed to his
signature.

-- 
Nuno J. Silva
gopher://sdf-eu.org/1/users/njsg

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Mailing list policy on reply

[Alan McKinnon]

On Friday 02 July 2010 12:01:09 Nuno J. Silva wrote:
> Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> writes:
> > Grant Edwards wrote:
> >> On 2010-07-02, Nicolas Sebrecht<nicolas.s-dev@laposte.net>  wrote:
> >>> I'm often stucked by the current policy in this mailing list changing
> >>> the 'Reply-To' header to the mailing list address.  Most mailing
> >>> lists I use don't do that.
> >>> 
> >>> It is usually better and prefer the "answer to all" policy as it
> >>> permit to be notified of an answer without having to track the whole
> >>> mailing list.
> >>> 
> >>> What do you think about changing of policy?
> 
> Like others, I'm happy with this as it is. But YMMV.
> 
> > When they start a new list and it is not set up this way, it causes
> > confusion.  This was discussed before on another list.  I don't see
> > this changing anytime soon and hope it doesn't.
> 
> Is there a way for someone to add another address to Reply-To? (Does the
> list management software overwrite the header or just appends its
> address?)
> 
> Such a way would suit the OP and people who don't want duplicate
> messages at the same time.
> 
> Meanwhile the OP might want to add a request to be CC'ed to his
> signature.


Or, he could use a mailer that understands mailing lists, like kmail. There 
are others.

Filter list mail into a folder, and tell the mailer it is for a list.

Decide how you want to reply and press (the composer deals with it correctly):

l - reply to list
a - reply to all
R - reply to original sender
r - reply to whatever seems to be default reply address.

So instead of blindly clicking reply and getting all upset about the outcome, 
just press one key and the mailer obeys YOUR intent.

Problem solved.


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

[gentoo-user] Re: Mailing list policy on reply

[Nuno J. Silva]

Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> writes:

> On Friday 02 July 2010 12:01:09 Nuno J. Silva wrote:

>> Is there a way for someone to add another address to Reply-To? (Does the
>> list management software overwrite the header or just appends its
>> address?)
>> 
>> Such a way would suit the OP and people who don't want duplicate
>> messages at the same time.
>> 
>> Meanwhile the OP might want to add a request to be CC'ed to his
>> signature.
>
>
> Or, he could use a mailer that understands mailing lists, like kmail. There 
> are others.
>
> Filter list mail into a folder, and tell the mailer it is for a list.
>
> Decide how you want to reply and press (the composer deals with it correctly):
>
> l - reply to list
> a - reply to all
> R - reply to original sender
> r - reply to whatever seems to be default reply address.
>
> So instead of blindly clicking reply and getting all upset about the outcome, 
> just press one key and the mailer obeys YOUR intent.
>
> Problem solved.

But, if I understand it correctly, what the OP wants is others to mail
him too, so he receives replies without being subscribed. 

Having a mail client with those abilities is of no use for him, nor for
anyone unless they know what the person they're replying to desires.

(But now I wonder how to know if a person replied by a reply we're
replying wants to be CCed...)

Or is Nicolas looking to reply to everyone when he writes? That would be
bad, as there are people who prefer to receive messages through the
list or using NNTP.

-- 
Nuno J. Silva
gopher://sdf-eu.org/1/users/njsg

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Mailing list policy on reply

[Dale]

Nuno J. Silva wrote:
> Alan McKinnon<alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>  writes:
>
>    
>> On Friday 02 July 2010 12:01:09 Nuno J. Silva wrote:
>>      
>    
>>> Is there a way for someone to add another address to Reply-To? (Does the
>>> list management software overwrite the header or just appends its
>>> address?)
>>>
>>> Such a way would suit the OP and people who don't want duplicate
>>> messages at the same time.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile the OP might want to add a request to be CC'ed to his
>>> signature.
>>>        
>>
>> Or, he could use a mailer that understands mailing lists, like kmail. There
>> are others.
>>
>> Filter list mail into a folder, and tell the mailer it is for a list.
>>
>> Decide how you want to reply and press (the composer deals with it correctly):
>>
>> l - reply to list
>> a - reply to all
>> R - reply to original sender
>> r - reply to whatever seems to be default reply address.
>>
>> So instead of blindly clicking reply and getting all upset about the outcome,
>> just press one key and the mailer obeys YOUR intent.
>>
>> Problem solved.
>>      
> But, if I understand it correctly, what the OP wants is others to mail
> him too, so he receives replies without being subscribed.
>
> Having a mail client with those abilities is of no use for him, nor for
> anyone unless they know what the person they're replying to desires.
>
> (But now I wonder how to know if a person replied by a reply we're
> replying wants to be CCed...)
>
> Or is Nicolas looking to reply to everyone when he writes? That would be
> bad, as there are people who prefer to receive messages through the
> list or using NNTP.
>
>    

If he is not subscribed, how did he send a email to the list anyway?  
Don't you have to be subscribed to the list to send a email to it?

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Mailing list policy on reply

[Alan McKinnon]

On Friday 02 July 2010 12:38:05 Nuno J. Silva wrote:
> Or is Nicolas looking to reply to everyone when he writes? That would be
> bad, as there are people who prefer to receive messages through the
> list or using NNTP.

I think Nicolas is seeking to get mail to do something it was not designed to 
do.


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list policy on reply

[Willie Wong]

On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 02:54:33AM +0200, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm often stucked by the current policy in this mailing list changing
> the 'Reply-To' header to the mailing list address.  Most mailing lists I
> use don't do that.
> 
> It is usually better and prefer the "answer to all" policy as it permit
> to be notified of an answer without having to track the whole mailing
> list.
> 
> What do you think about changing of policy?

Way to go! Reviving a five-year-old discussion:

http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-user@gentoo.org/msg45780.html

Which at that time, was already an old discussion:

http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-user@gentoo.org/msg45855.html

So let's just not much about with it, eh?

Cheers,

W
-- 
Willie W. Wong                                     wwong@math.princeton.edu
Data aequatione quotcunque fluentes quantitae involvente fluxiones invenire 
         et vice versa   ~~~  I. Newton

Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list policy on reply

[Tanstaafl]

On 2010-07-01 8:54 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
> I'm often stucked by the current policy in this mailing list changing
> the 'Reply-To' header to the mailing list address.  Most mailing lists I
> use don't do that.
> 
> It is usually better and prefer the "answer to all" policy

-10 this is plain wrong...

Use a mail client that has 'Reply-To-List' function.

Thunderbird's works very well no, so there is an excellent
cross-platform mail client available that implements this functionality...

> as it permit to be notified of an answer without having to track the
> whole mailing list.
> 
> What do you think about changing of policy?

+1, but not for the same reasons...

Before TB implemented Reply-To-List, I preferred lists that munged the
Reply-To, but no longer.

[gentoo-user] Re: Mailing list policy on reply

[Grant Edwards]

On 2010-07-02, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday 02 July 2010 12:01:09 Nuno J. Silva wrote:
>> Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> writes:
>> > Grant Edwards wrote:
>> >> On 2010-07-02, Nicolas Sebrecht<nicolas.s-dev@laposte.net>  wrote:
>> >>> I'm often stucked by the current policy in this mailing list changing
>> >>> the 'Reply-To' header to the mailing list address.  Most mailing
>> >>> lists I use don't do that.
>> >>> 
>> >>> It is usually better and prefer the "answer to all" policy as it
>> >>> permit to be notified of an answer without having to track the whole
>> >>> mailing list.

> Or, he could use a mailer that understands mailing lists, like kmail. There 
> are others.
>
> Filter list mail into a folder, and tell the mailer it is for a list.
>
> Decide how you want to reply and press (the composer deals with it correctly):
>
> l - reply to list
> a - reply to all
> R - reply to original sender
> r - reply to whatever seems to be default reply address.
>
> So instead of blindly clicking reply and getting all upset about the
> outcome, just press one key and the mailer obeys YOUR intent.

His intent is to receive direct replies to his posts.  I don't see how
his choice of mail client has any impact on that.

> Problem solved.

Not really.  The OP's choice of mail client isn't going to change what
happens when people reply to his postings.  He wants "reply-to" to
contain his address as well as the list address so that he gets a
direct response and doesn't have to bother to check the mailing list
for replies.

-- 
Grant Edwards               grant.b.edwards        Yow! Hey, wait
                                  at               a minute!!  I want a
                              gmail.com            divorce!! ... you're not
                                                   Clint Eastwood!!

Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list policy on reply

[Kevin O'Gorman]

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On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:14 AM, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 02:54:33 +0200, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
>
> > It is usually better and prefer the "answer to all" policy as it permit
> > to be notified of an answer without having to track the whole mailing
> > list.
>
> If I post to the list, I expect a reply via the list. Getting two replies
> is annoying, especially if I don't realise the private one is a duplicate
> and reply to it before checking the list. One of the main points of a list
> is that it is a public discussion, archived for all to see, fragmenting
> conversations into private mail defeats that point.
>

Precisely, except that I'm not as annoyed as some of you seem to be.
Part of the way a mailing list works is that there is always discontent
about the way the mailing list works.  This hasn't changed much, if at
all, since I started using mailing lists around 1985.

-- 
Kevin O'Gorman, PhD

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list policy on reply

[Paul Hartman]

On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Kevin O'Gorman <kogorman@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:14 AM, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
>> If I post to the list, I expect a reply via the list. Getting two replies
>> is annoying, especially if I don't realise the private one is a duplicate
>> and reply to it before checking the list. One of the main points of a list
>> is that it is a public discussion, archived for all to see, fragmenting
>> conversations into private mail defeats that point.
>
>
> Precisely, except that I'm not as annoyed as some of you seem to be.
> Part of the way a mailing list works is that there is always discontent
> about the way the mailing list works.  This hasn't changed much, if at
> all, since I started using mailing lists around 1985.


Things especially fun when it is both a mailing list and a newsgroup.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Mailing list policy on reply

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 14:19:36 +0000 (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:

> Not really.  The OP's choice of mail client isn't going to change what
> happens when people reply to his postings.  He wants "reply-to" to
> contain his address as well as the list address so that he gets a
> direct response and doesn't have to bother to check the mailing list
> for replies.

So he wants other people to take the trouble to reply, but he won't take
the trouble to look for the replies? If he really finds it so difficult
to look for replies to his mails (some mailers will highlight them), he
could always set up a filter to copy replies to him to his mailbox. You
don't always need everyone else to change to get what you want.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

A TRUE Klingon warrior does not comment his code!

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[gentoo-user] Re: Mailing list policy on reply

[Grant Edwards]

On 2010-07-02, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 14:19:36 +0000 (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> Not really.  The OP's choice of mail client isn't going to change
>> what happens when people reply to his postings.  He wants "reply-to"
>> to contain his address as well as the list address so that he gets a
>> direct response and doesn't have to bother to check the mailing list
>> for replies.
>
> So he wants other people to take the trouble to reply, but he won't take
> the trouble to look for the replies?

That's the way it read to me.  If that's not what the OP meant, then I
apologize for misunderstanding what he wrote.

> If he really finds it so difficult to look for replies to his mails
> (some mailers will highlight them), he could always set up a filter
> to copy replies to him to his mailbox.

Yup.  Since the mailing list is already sending him a reply, why he
wants a second one is beyond me.

> You don't always need everyone else to change to get what you want.

Well, I know some people who are like that...

-- 
Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list policy on reply

[Mick]

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On Friday 02 July 2010 15:00:10 Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 2010-07-01 8:54 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
> > I'm often stucked by the current policy in this mailing list changing
> > the 'Reply-To' header to the mailing list address.  Most mailing lists I
> > use don't do that.
> > 
> > It is usually better and prefer the "answer to all" policy
> 
> -10 this is plain wrong...
> 
> Use a mail client that has 'Reply-To-List' function.
> 
> Thunderbird's works very well no, so there is an excellent
> cross-platform mail client available that implements this functionality...
> 
> > as it permit to be notified of an answer without having to track the
> > whole mailing list.
> > 
> > What do you think about changing of policy?
> 
> +1, but not for the same reasons...
> 
> Before TB implemented Reply-To-List, I preferred lists that munged the
> Reply-To, but no longer.

Sometimes I receive a personal email response to a message that I have posted 
to the list.  This seems to happen because the person that kindly responded 
has for some reason cc'd me in the reply.  If I try to reply to it the post 
will not go to the list, but the person that emailed me.  Pressing 'l' in 
kmail just brings up an empty to field.  This seems to happen only with some 
replies.  Will keep an eye out for it to see if it is consistent.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list policy on reply

[Mick]

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On Saturday 03 July 2010 11:55:02 Mick wrote:
> On Friday 02 July 2010 15:00:10 Tanstaafl wrote:
> > On 2010-07-01 8:54 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
> > > I'm often stucked by the current policy in this mailing list changing
> > > the 'Reply-To' header to the mailing list address.  Most mailing lists
> > > I use don't do that.
> > > 
> > > It is usually better and prefer the "answer to all" policy
> > 
> > -10 this is plain wrong...
> > 
> > Use a mail client that has 'Reply-To-List' function.
> > 
> > Thunderbird's works very well no, so there is an excellent
> > cross-platform mail client available that implements this
> > functionality...
> > 
> > > as it permit to be notified of an answer without having to track the
> > > whole mailing list.
> > > 
> > > What do you think about changing of policy?
> > 
> > +1, but not for the same reasons...
> > 
> > Before TB implemented Reply-To-List, I preferred lists that munged the
> > Reply-To, but no longer.
> 
> Sometimes I receive a personal email response to a message that I have
> posted to the list.  This seems to happen because the person that kindly
> responded has for some reason cc'd me in the reply.  If I try to reply to
> it the post will not go to the list, but the person that emailed me. 
> Pressing 'l' in kmail just brings up an empty to field.  This seems to
> happen only with some replies.  Will keep an eye out for it to see if it
> is consistent.

OK, just got this baby from Alan:
==================================================
From: Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flash stopped working after Firefox 3.6.3-
>3.6.4 update.
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 13:37:53 +0200
User-Agent: KMail/1.13.3 (Linux/2.6.34-ck-r1; KDE/4.4.4; x86_64; ; )
Cc: Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com>
References: <i0gk73$kj6$1@dough.gmane.org> 
<20100702095121.76fe5102@core2duo.fabnetwork> 
<201007031230.55562.michaelkintzios@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <201007031230.55562.michaelkintzios@gmail.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: Text/Plain;
  charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-Id: <201007031337.53868.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>
Status: R
X-Status: N
X-KMail-EncryptionState:  
X-KMail-SignatureState:  
X-KMail-MDN-Sent:  
==================================================

and amidst the headers there's no usual mailing list IDs et al, as is usually 
the case:
==================================================
List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>
List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org>
List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org>
List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org>
X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
==================================================

So, when I enter "l" the response is set directly to Alan, instead of Gentoo 
Users M/L.

Alan, any idea why this is so?  Do you intentionally copy me in your responses 
to the list?
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list policy on reply

[Alan McKinnon]

On Saturday 03 July 2010 18:37:36 Mick wrote:
> > Sometimes I receive a personal email response to a message that I have
> > posted to the list.  This seems to happen because the person that kindly
> > responded has for some reason cc'd me in the reply.  If I try to reply to
> > it the post will not go to the list, but the person that emailed me. 
> > Pressing 'l' in kmail just brings up an empty to field.  This seems to
> > happen only with some replies.  Will keep an eye out for it to see if it
> > is consistent.
> 
> OK, just got this baby from Alan:
> ==================================================
> From: Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flash stopped working after Firefox 3.6.3-
> 
> >3.6.4 update.
> 
> Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 13:37:53 +0200
> User-Agent: KMail/1.13.3 (Linux/2.6.34-ck-r1; KDE/4.4.4; x86_64; ; )
> Cc: Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com>
> References: <i0gk73$kj6$1@dough.gmane.org> 
> <20100702095121.76fe5102@core2duo.fabnetwork> 
> <201007031230.55562.michaelkintzios@gmail.com>
> In-Reply-To: <201007031230.55562.michaelkintzios@gmail.com>
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: Text/Plain;
>   charset="utf-8"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Message-Id: <201007031337.53868.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>
> Status: R
> X-Status: N
> X-KMail-EncryptionState:  
> X-KMail-SignatureState:  
> X-KMail-MDN-Sent:  
> ==================================================
> 
> and amidst the headers there's no usual mailing list IDs et al, as is
> usually  the case:
> ==================================================
> List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>
> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org>
> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org>
> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org>
> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org>
> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> ==================================================
> 
> So, when I enter "l" the response is set directly to Alan, instead of
> Gentoo  Users M/L.
> 
> Alan, any idea why this is so?  Do you intentionally copy me in your
> responses  to the list?

Two things happened here on my end:

My kmail filters didn't kick in (kmail does that to me sometimes) so the mail 
I replied to was in my inbox, not the gentoo-user folder where it should have 
been. The list folder is the one that knows it contains a list not the inbox.

I was also dealing with a bunch of work mail as the same time and with those I 
reply to all.

When I replied, I hit "A" without thinking and only saw it after I pressed 
Ctrl-Enter to send. So my bad, my screw-up.




-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list policy on reply

[Mick]

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On Saturday 03 July 2010 18:09:37 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Saturday 03 July 2010 18:37:36 Mick wrote:
> > > Sometimes I receive a personal email response to a message that I have
> > > posted to the list.  This seems to happen because the person that
> > > kindly responded has for some reason cc'd me in the reply.  If I try
> > > to reply to it the post will not go to the list, but the person that
> > > emailed me. Pressing 'l' in kmail just brings up an empty to field. 
> > > This seems to happen only with some replies.  Will keep an eye out for
> > > it to see if it is consistent.
> > 
> > OK, just got this baby from Alan:
> > ==================================================
> > From: Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>
> > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flash stopped working after Firefox 3.6.3-
> > 
> > >3.6.4 update.
> > 
> > Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 13:37:53 +0200
> > User-Agent: KMail/1.13.3 (Linux/2.6.34-ck-r1; KDE/4.4.4; x86_64; ; )
> > Cc: Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com>
> > References: <i0gk73$kj6$1@dough.gmane.org>
> > <20100702095121.76fe5102@core2duo.fabnetwork>
> > <201007031230.55562.michaelkintzios@gmail.com>
> > In-Reply-To: <201007031230.55562.michaelkintzios@gmail.com>
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > Content-Type: Text/Plain;
> > 
> >   charset="utf-8"
> > 
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> > Message-Id: <201007031337.53868.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>
> > Status: R
> > X-Status: N
> > X-KMail-EncryptionState:
> > X-KMail-SignatureState:
> > X-KMail-MDN-Sent:
> > ==================================================
> > 
> > and amidst the headers there's no usual mailing list IDs et al, as is
> > usually  the case:
> > ==================================================
> > List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>
> > List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org>
> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org>
> > List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org>
> > List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org>
> > X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> > Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> > ==================================================
> > 
> > So, when I enter "l" the response is set directly to Alan, instead of
> > Gentoo  Users M/L.
> > 
> > Alan, any idea why this is so?  Do you intentionally copy me in your
> > responses  to the list?
> 
> Two things happened here on my end:
> 
> My kmail filters didn't kick in (kmail does that to me sometimes) so the
> mail I replied to was in my inbox, not the gentoo-user folder where it
> should have been. The list folder is the one that knows it contains a list
> not the inbox.
> 
> I was also dealing with a bunch of work mail as the same time and with
> those I reply to all.
> 
> When I replied, I hit "A" without thinking and only saw it after I pressed
> Ctrl-Enter to send. So my bad, my screw-up.

This explains it!  No worries, I was thinking that something went wrong 
somewhere along the chain but couldn't figure out if it was my Kmail that has 
been doing this lately.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list policy on reply

[Alan McKinnon]

On Saturday 03 July 2010 19:44:27 Mick wrote:
> > Two things happened here on my end:
> > 
> >
> > My kmail filters didn't kick in (kmail does that to me sometimes) so the
> > mail I replied to was in my inbox, not the gentoo-user folder where it
> > should have been. The list folder is the one that knows it contains a
> > list not the inbox.
> >
> > 
> >
> > I was also dealing with a bunch of work mail as the same time and with
> > those I reply to all.
> >
> > 
> >
> > When I replied, I hit "A" without thinking and only saw it after I
> > pressed Ctrl-Enter to send. So my bad, my screw-up.
> 
> This explains it!  No worries, I was thinking that something went wrong 
> somewhere along the chain but couldn't figure out if it was my Kmail that
> has  been doing this lately.

:-)

The computer gods allow me two cock-ups a day. I'm already way over limit and 
using up half of next week's quota in advance....

That's what happens when you try to work, answer list mail and watch the World 
Cup in your back yard all at the same time!


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list policy on reply

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Samstag 03 Juli 2010, Mick wrote:
> On Saturday 03 July 2010 18:09:37 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On Saturday 03 July 2010 18:37:36 Mick wrote:
> > > > Sometimes I receive a personal email response to a message that I
> > > > have posted to the list.  This seems to happen because the person
> > > > that kindly responded has for some reason cc'd me in the reply.  If
> > > > I try to reply to it the post will not go to the list, but the
> > > > person that emailed me. Pressing 'l' in kmail just brings up an
> > > > empty to field. This seems to happen only with some replies.  Will
> > > > keep an eye out for it to see if it is consistent.
> > > 
> > > OK, just got this baby from Alan:
> > > ==================================================
> > > From: Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>
> > > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> > > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flash stopped working after Firefox
> > > 3.6.3-
> > > 
> > > >3.6.4 update.
> > > 
> > > Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 13:37:53 +0200
> > > User-Agent: KMail/1.13.3 (Linux/2.6.34-ck-r1; KDE/4.4.4; x86_64; ; )
> > > Cc: Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com>
> > > References: <i0gk73$kj6$1@dough.gmane.org>
> > > <20100702095121.76fe5102@core2duo.fabnetwork>
> > > <201007031230.55562.michaelkintzios@gmail.com>
> > > In-Reply-To: <201007031230.55562.michaelkintzios@gmail.com>
> > > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > > Content-Type: Text/Plain;
> > > 
> > >   charset="utf-8"
> > > 
> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> > > Message-Id: <201007031337.53868.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>
> > > Status: R
> > > X-Status: N
> > > X-KMail-EncryptionState:
> > > X-KMail-SignatureState:
> > > X-KMail-MDN-Sent:
> > > ==================================================
> > > 
> > > and amidst the headers there's no usual mailing list IDs et al, as is
> > > usually  the case:
> > > ==================================================
> > > List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>
> > > List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org>
> > > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org>
> > > List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org>
> > > List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org>
> > > X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> > > Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> > > ==================================================
> > > 
> > > So, when I enter "l" the response is set directly to Alan, instead of
> > > Gentoo  Users M/L.
> > > 
> > > Alan, any idea why this is so?  Do you intentionally copy me in your
> > > responses  to the list?
> > 
> > Two things happened here on my end:
> > 
> > My kmail filters didn't kick in (kmail does that to me sometimes) so the
> > mail I replied to was in my inbox, not the gentoo-user folder where it
> > should have been. The list folder is the one that knows it contains a
> > list not the inbox.
> > 
> > I was also dealing with a bunch of work mail as the same time and with
> > those I reply to all.
> > 
> > When I replied, I hit "A" without thinking and only saw it after I
> > pressed Ctrl-Enter to send. So my bad, my screw-up.
> 
> This explains it!  No worries, I was thinking that something went wrong
> somewhere along the chain but couldn't figure out if it was my Kmail that
> has been doing this lately.

never had any problems like that with kmail.
Problems with stupid fingers - yeah, a lot.

[gentoo-user] Re: Mailing list policy on reply

[Grant Edwards]

On 2010-07-03, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:

> The computer gods allow me two cock-ups a day. I'm already way over
> limit and using up half of next week's quota in advance....
>
> That's what happens when you try to work, answer list mail and watch
> the World Cup in your back yard all at the same time!

Holy crap!  They're playing world cup games in your back yard?  The
vuvuzelas must be driving you to distraction...

-- 
Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list policy on reply

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 21:34:42 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> > > When I replied, I hit "A" without thinking and only saw it after I
> > > pressed Ctrl-Enter to send. So my bad, my screw-up.  

That's the likely explanation. I occasionally get direct replies from
you, and they always appear in the list too.

> The computer gods allow me two cock-ups a day. I'm already way over
> limit and using up half of next week's quota in advance....

A day? I thought it was per hour!

> That's what happens when you try to work, answer list mail and watch
> the World Cup in your back yard all at the same time!

I thought the World Cup finished last weekend :(


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Do I BELIEVE in the Bible?! HELL man, I've SEEN one!!!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list policy on reply

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 21:42:36 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:

> never had any problems like that with kmail.
> Problems with stupid fingers - yeah, a lot.

But it's easier to blame the software!


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Unsolicited advice is the junk mail of life

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Mailing list policy on reply

[Alan McKinnon]

On Sunday 04 July 2010 05:21:33 Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2010-07-03, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The computer gods allow me two cock-ups a day. I'm already way over
> > limit and using up half of next week's quota in advance....
> > 
> > That's what happens when you try to work, answer list mail and watch
> > the World Cup in your back yard all at the same time!
> 
> Holy crap!  They're playing world cup games in your back yard?  The
> vuvuzelas must be driving you to distraction...

Oi, you! That's the national musical instrument you're talking about!

:-)

You get used to it though, like traffic noise. 


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list policy on reply

[Tanstaafl]

On 2010-07-03 6:55 AM, Mick wrote:
>> Before TB implemented Reply-To-List, I preferred lists that munged
>> the Reply-To, but no longer.

> Sometimes I receive a personal email response to a message that I
> have posted to the list.  This seems to happen because the person
> that kindly responded has for some reason cc'd me in the reply.  If I
> try to reply to it the post will not go to the list, but the person
> that emailed me.  Pressing 'l' in kmail just brings up an empty to
> field.  This seems to happen only with some replies.  Will keep an
> eye out for it to see if it is consistent.

It apparently only happens when someone hits 'Reply All' instead of
Reply_to_List - and then if you have your list preference (at least in
mailman) set to not receive duplicates, you will only get the personal
reply...

Irritating, I know... but it is pointless to complain about it, I just
deal with whatever I get silently and worry about more important things,
like who we should be hanging for this BP Oil disaster...

Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list policy on reply

[Peter Humphrey]

On Sunday 04 July 2010 10:02:37 Neil Bothwick wrote:

> I thought the World Cup finished last weekend :(

What world cup?

-- 
Rgds
Peter.          Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.

Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list policy on reply

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tuesday 06 July 2010 12:38:48 Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Sunday 04 July 2010 10:02:37 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > I thought the World Cup finished last weekend :(
> 
> What world cup?

The football competition where england, france and italy all got their asses 
handed to them recently :-)

I hear through the grapevine that the master escape-artist David Blaine is 
distraught - his world record for sitting in a box for 20 days doing nothing 
has just been broken.

Wayne Rooney now hold that record.

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list policy on reply

[Christopher Swift]

On 6 July 2010 12:14, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday 06 July 2010 12:38:48 Peter Humphrey wrote:
>> On Sunday 04 July 2010 10:02:37 Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> > I thought the World Cup finished last weekend :(
>>
>> What world cup?
>
> The football competition where england, france and italy all got their asses
> handed to them recently :-)
>
> I hear through the grapevine that the master escape-artist David Blaine is
> distraught - his world record for sitting in a box for 20 days doing nothing
> has just been broken.
>
> Wayne Rooney now hold that record.

As well as Brazil however the football world cup has not yet finished.

Chris.

Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list policy on reply

[luis jure]

on 2010-07-06 at 13:14 Alan McKinnon wrote:

>The football competition where england, france and italy all got their
>asses handed to them recently :-)

not to mention argentina and brazil... did you notice the tiny uy in my
e-mail address? :-) :-) 

(it's a real pity i don't give a sh*t about football, i could be enjoying
this immensely)