[gentoo-user] Firefox + gentoo scrolling like a snail

[gentoo-user] Firefox + gentoo scrolling like a snail

[Kevin O'Gorman]

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It's weird.

Sometimes, but not always, when I click in the Firefox scrollbar, it starts
heading in the right direction in fits and starts of 5 pixels or so until it
(finallly) reaches the end.  I've mostly observed this in the downward
direction, but I mostly scroll in that direction anyway so it might not mean
anything.

What's wrong about this is that a single click should not do this, and does
not do this, on any other scrollbar on my machine.  A single click moves the
"thumb" thingie a fixed amount which depends on where you click.  The worst
part is that the application won't do anything else until the scrolling is
finished, and the scrolling for a very tall page can take a couple of
minutes.

I keep trying to remember that dragging the "thumb" still works as expected,
but clicking is an old habit that's hard to drop.

Am I the only one seeing this?

-- 
Kevin O'Gorman, PhD

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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox + gentoo scrolling like a snail

[Alan McKinnon]

On Saturday 26 June 2010 17:44:42 Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> It's weird.
> 
> Sometimes, but not always, when I click in the Firefox scrollbar, it starts
> heading in the right direction in fits and starts of 5 pixels or so until
> it (finallly) reaches the end.  I've mostly observed this in the downward
> direction, but I mostly scroll in that direction anyway so it might not
> mean anything.
> 
> What's wrong about this is that a single click should not do this, and does
> not do this, on any other scrollbar on my machine.  A single click moves
> the "thumb" thingie a fixed amount which depends on where you click.  The
> worst part is that the application won't do anything else until the
> scrolling is finished, and the scrolling for a very tall page can take a
> couple of minutes.
> 
> I keep trying to remember that dragging the "thumb" still works as
> expected, but clicking is an old habit that's hard to drop.
> 
> Am I the only one seeing this?

I don't see that. What settings do you have for scrolling?

Firefox config dialog -> Advanced -> General


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox + gentoo scrolling like a snail

[Dale]

Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> It's weird.
>
> Sometimes, but not always, when I click in the Firefox scrollbar, it 
> starts heading in the right direction in fits and starts of 5 pixels 
> or so until it (finallly) reaches the end.  I've mostly observed this 
> in the downward direction, but I mostly scroll in that direction 
> anyway so it might not mean anything.
>
> What's wrong about this is that a single click should not do this, and 
> does not do this, on any other scrollbar on my machine.  A single 
> click moves the "thumb" thingie a fixed amount which depends on where 
> you click.  The worst part is that the application won't do anything 
> else until the scrolling is finished, and the scrolling for a very 
> tall page can take a couple of minutes.
>
> I keep trying to remember that dragging the "thumb" still works as 
> expected, but clicking is an old habit that's hard to drop.
>
> Am I the only one seeing this?
>
> -- 
> Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
>

I have noticed this in Seamonkey too.  Could this be something that both 
Seamonkey and Firefox builds on?  I always thought that is was my tired 
finger.  lol

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox + gentoo scrolling like a snail

[Alex Schuster]

Kevin O'Gorman writes:

> Sometimes, but not always, when I click in the Firefox scrollbar, it
> starts heading in the right direction in fits and starts of 5 pixels
> or so until it (finallly) reaches the end.  I've mostly observed this
> in the downward direction, but I mostly scroll in that direction
> anyway so it might not mean anything.

I see this in Konqueror sometimes, but only about once a week.

	Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox + gentoo scrolling like a snail

[Kevin O'Gorman]

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On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Saturday 26 June 2010 17:44:42 Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> > It's weird.
> >
> > Sometimes, but not always, when I click in the Firefox scrollbar, it
> starts
> > heading in the right direction in fits and starts of 5 pixels or so until
> > it (finallly) reaches the end.  I've mostly observed this in the downward
> > direction, but I mostly scroll in that direction anyway so it might not
> > mean anything.
> >
> > What's wrong about this is that a single click should not do this, and
> does
> > not do this, on any other scrollbar on my machine.  A single click moves
> > the "thumb" thingie a fixed amount which depends on where you click.  The
> > worst part is that the application won't do anything else until the
> > scrolling is finished, and the scrolling for a very tall page can take a
> > couple of minutes.
> >
> > I keep trying to remember that dragging the "thumb" still works as
> > expected, but clicking is an old habit that's hard to drop.
> >
> > Am I the only one seeing this?
>
> I don't see that. What settings do you have for scrolling?
>
> Firefox config dialog -> Advanced -> General
>


Firefox-3.6.3 -> Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced -> General checked:   -
Always use the cursor keys to navigate within pages
  - Use autoscrolling
  - Always check to see if Firefox is the default browser on startup

I guess both of the first two are suspects, but AFAICR I've never touched
these.

-- 
Kevin O'Gorman, PhD

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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox + gentoo scrolling like a snail

[Alan McKinnon]

On Saturday 26 June 2010 19:08:58 Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Alan McKinnon 
<alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>wrote:
> > On Saturday 26 June 2010 17:44:42 Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> > > It's weird.
> > > 
> > > Sometimes, but not always, when I click in the Firefox scrollbar, it
> > 
> > starts
> > 
> > > heading in the right direction in fits and starts of 5 pixels or so
> > > until it (finallly) reaches the end.  I've mostly observed this in the
> > > downward direction, but I mostly scroll in that direction anyway so it
> > > might not mean anything.
> > > 
> > > What's wrong about this is that a single click should not do this, and
> > 
> > does
> > 
> > > not do this, on any other scrollbar on my machine.  A single click
> > > moves the "thumb" thingie a fixed amount which depends on where you
> > > click.  The worst part is that the application won't do anything else
> > > until the scrolling is finished, and the scrolling for a very tall
> > > page can take a couple of minutes.
> > > 
> > > I keep trying to remember that dragging the "thumb" still works as
> > > expected, but clicking is an old habit that's hard to drop.
> > > 
> > > Am I the only one seeing this?
> > 
> > I don't see that. What settings do you have for scrolling?
> > 
> > Firefox config dialog -> Advanced -> General
> 
> Firefox-3.6.3 -> Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced -> General checked:   -
> Always use the cursor keys to navigate within pages
>   - Use autoscrolling
>   - Always check to see if Firefox is the default browser on startup
> 
> I guess both of the first two are suspects, but AFAICR I've never touched
> these.

My setup is similar, so I don't know where to go from here :-)

And someone else reported that heir konqueror does it too. If these things are 
related that would cancel out Firefox itself and move over to the video system

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox + gentoo scrolling like a snail

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Saturday 26 June 2010 19:08:58 Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
>    
>> On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Alan McKinnon
>>      
> <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>wrote:
>    
>>> On Saturday 26 June 2010 17:44:42 Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
>>>        
>>>> It's weird.
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes, but not always, when I click in the Firefox scrollbar, it
>>>>          
>>> starts
>>>
>>>        
>>>> heading in the right direction in fits and starts of 5 pixels or so
>>>> until it (finallly) reaches the end.  I've mostly observed this in the
>>>> downward direction, but I mostly scroll in that direction anyway so it
>>>> might not mean anything.
>>>>
>>>> What's wrong about this is that a single click should not do this, and
>>>>          
>>> does
>>>
>>>        
>>>> not do this, on any other scrollbar on my machine.  A single click
>>>> moves the "thumb" thingie a fixed amount which depends on where you
>>>> click.  The worst part is that the application won't do anything else
>>>> until the scrolling is finished, and the scrolling for a very tall
>>>> page can take a couple of minutes.
>>>>
>>>> I keep trying to remember that dragging the "thumb" still works as
>>>> expected, but clicking is an old habit that's hard to drop.
>>>>
>>>> Am I the only one seeing this?
>>>>          
>>> I don't see that. What settings do you have for scrolling?
>>>
>>> Firefox config dialog ->  Advanced ->  General
>>>        
>> Firefox-3.6.3 ->  Edit ->  Preferences ->  Advanced ->  General checked:   -
>> Always use the cursor keys to navigate within pages
>>    - Use autoscrolling
>>    - Always check to see if Firefox is the default browser on startup
>>
>> I guess both of the first two are suspects, but AFAICR I've never touched
>> these.
>>      
> My setup is similar, so I don't know where to go from here :-)
>
> And someone else reported that heir konqueror does it too. If these things are
> related that would cancel out Firefox itself and move over to the video system
>
>    

If that's the case, I have a Nvidia card and use the Nvidia drivers.  
Someone seeing this have something different?

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox + gentoo scrolling like a snail

[Kevin O'Gorman]

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On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Saturday 26 June 2010 19:08:58 Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Alan McKinnon
> <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > On Saturday 26 June 2010 17:44:42 Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> > > > It's weird.
> > > >
> > > > Sometimes, but not always, when I click in the Firefox scrollbar, it
> > >
> > > starts
> > >
> > > > heading in the right direction in fits and starts of 5 pixels or so
> > > > until it (finallly) reaches the end.  I've mostly observed this in
> the
> > > > downward direction, but I mostly scroll in that direction anyway so
> it
> > > > might not mean anything.
> > > >
> > > > What's wrong about this is that a single click should not do this,
> and
> > >
> > > does
> > >
> > > > not do this, on any other scrollbar on my machine.  A single click
> > > > moves the "thumb" thingie a fixed amount which depends on where you
> > > > click.  The worst part is that the application won't do anything else
> > > > until the scrolling is finished, and the scrolling for a very tall
> > > > page can take a couple of minutes.
> > > >
> > > > I keep trying to remember that dragging the "thumb" still works as
> > > > expected, but clicking is an old habit that's hard to drop.
> > > >
> > > > Am I the only one seeing this?
> > >
> > > I don't see that. What settings do you have for scrolling?
> > >
> > > Firefox config dialog -> Advanced -> General
> >
> > Firefox-3.6.3 -> Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced -> General checked:   -
> > Always use the cursor keys to navigate within pages
> >   - Use autoscrolling
> >   - Always check to see if Firefox is the default browser on startup
> >
> > I guess both of the first two are suspects, but AFAICR I've never touched
> > these.
>
> My setup is similar, so I don't know where to go from here :-)
>
> And someone else reported that heir konqueror does it too. If these things
> are
> related that would cancel out Firefox itself and move over to the video
> system
>
> Maybe.  It's also possible I'm seeing it when working with email.  I do
that in
several ways, though, and I'll have to figure out which combination(s)
actually
give me trouble.  Then I guess it will be bug-writing time.


-- 
Kevin O'Gorman, PhD

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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox + gentoo scrolling like a snail

[Alex Schuster]

Dale writes:

> Alan McKinnon wrote:

> > And someone else reported that heir konqueror does it too. If these
> > things are related that would cancel out Firefox itself and move
> > over to the video system

Well, my KDE does so many weird things, this still might be unrelated. 
Similar problems are repeating keys, when suddenly the last key pressed is 
output over and over again. When I move the mouse and another window gets 
the focus, it gets the keypresses, too. I can deativate it by  switching 
to a text console (it does nto happen here), and pressing all kinds of 
keys at once.
And from time to time some modifier key like shift or ctrl gets stuck 
virtually. Again, pressing those modifier keys all at once like crazy ends 
this.
And today all modifier keys suddenly stopped working at all. I had to log 
out and in again.

> If that's the case, I have a Nvidia card and use the Nvidia drivers.
> Someone seeing this have something different?

I am using the ati-drivers / fglrx.

	Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox + gentoo scrolling like a snail

[Peter Humphrey]

On Saturday 26 June 2010 16:44:42 Kevin O'Gorman wrote:

> Sometimes, but not always, when I click in the Firefox scrollbar, it
> starts heading in the right direction in fits and starts of 5 pixels
> or so until it (finallly) reaches the end.  I've mostly observed
> this in the downward direction, but I mostly scroll in that
> direction anyway so it might not mean anything.

I've seen this too, but so rarely that I just blink at it and move on. 
Maybe once or twice a year.

-- 
Rgds
Peter.          Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox + gentoo scrolling like a snail

[Mick]

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On Sunday 27 June 2010 11:12:53 Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Saturday 26 June 2010 16:44:42 Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> > Sometimes, but not always, when I click in the Firefox scrollbar, it
> > starts heading in the right direction in fits and starts of 5 pixels
> > or so until it (finallly) reaches the end.  I've mostly observed
> > this in the downward direction, but I mostly scroll in that
> > direction anyway so it might not mean anything.
> 
> I've seen this too, but so rarely that I just blink at it and move on.
> Maybe once or twice a year.

I didn't post so far on this thread because like Peter I only rarely have 
noticed this.  Typically, I noticed this only when the ADSL/wireless 
connection is congested or playing up.  Essentially, I concluded that I am 
asking FF/Konqueror to scroll down a page that it hasn't yet finished 
downloading or rendering.  Not sure if the latest version is behaving in this 
manner.

I have not noticed Opera suffering from this, probably because it uses a 
different model for deciding at which point in the download process it renders 
the page.

PS.  Browser engines are programmed to give the impression of speed by 
rendering pages *before* they complete downloading.  This decision making 
process involves the different elements on a page (text, scripts, images, 
etc.) and the observed behaviour may be related to the way that FF/Konqueror 
treat different elements during a slow download Vis A Vis Opera, or other 
browsers that don't suffer as much from this problem.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox + gentoo scrolling like a snail

[Dale]

Mick wrote:
> On Sunday 27 June 2010 11:12:53 Peter Humphrey wrote:
>    
>> On Saturday 26 June 2010 16:44:42 Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
>>      
>>> Sometimes, but not always, when I click in the Firefox scrollbar, it
>>> starts heading in the right direction in fits and starts of 5 pixels
>>> or so until it (finallly) reaches the end.  I've mostly observed
>>> this in the downward direction, but I mostly scroll in that
>>> direction anyway so it might not mean anything.
>>>        
>> I've seen this too, but so rarely that I just blink at it and move on.
>> Maybe once or twice a year.
>>      
> I didn't post so far on this thread because like Peter I only rarely have
> noticed this.  Typically, I noticed this only when the ADSL/wireless
> connection is congested or playing up.  Essentially, I concluded that I am
> asking FF/Konqueror to scroll down a page that it hasn't yet finished
> downloading or rendering.  Not sure if the latest version is behaving in this
> manner.
>
> I have not noticed Opera suffering from this, probably because it uses a
> different model for deciding at which point in the download process it renders
> the page.
>
> PS.  Browser engines are programmed to give the impression of speed by
> rendering pages *before* they complete downloading.  This decision making
> process involves the different elements on a page (text, scripts, images,
> etc.) and the observed behaviour may be related to the way that FF/Konqueror
> treat different elements during a slow download Vis A Vis Opera, or other
> browsers that don't suffer as much from this problem.
>    

I have noticed that it does this more often when pages are still 
loading, especially if they have flash on the page.  A good while back, 
weather.gov was really bad at this.  Konqueror and Firefox would scroll 
fine but I couldn't even read emails when Seamonkey was loading.  It 
would not appear or scroll until it loaded the page completely.  I was 
on dial-up at the time so it was painfully slow.  I didn't think about 
the loading part until Mick wrote this reply.

Could this be the issue?  They won't scroll until the page loads up?

Dale

:-)  :-)