From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OO7ef-00084r-IE for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:16:37 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D0079E0C9C; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:15:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from blingymail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF1BEE0C9C for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:15:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.110] (smtp.media-brokers.com [70.43.81.99]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by blingymail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84AD75C9D8 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C160F5F.5050807@libertytrek.org> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 07:15:43 -0400 From: Tanstaafl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.4 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Anything better than procmail? References: <20100613233744.4ed3d923@karnak.local> In-Reply-To: <20100613233744.4ed3d923@karnak.local> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 656d6ab3-d03c-4b33-8530-9f73a132e7c2 X-Archives-Hash: a6657cef67dc23b48a9266963cd92e78 On 2010-06-13 6:37 PM, David W Noon wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 20:20:02 +0200, Tanstaafl wrote about Re: > [gentoo-user] Anything better than procmail?: > >> On 2010-06-12 5:17 PM, David W Noon wrote: >>> I wanted the messages to be stored in a single, dedicated >>> logical volume in my DASD farm. Dovecot always stored them in >>> each user's ~/Mail/ directory, so they were all over the /home >>> L.V. >> Dovecot will store them where you tell it to. You could have >> easily stored them all in a single directory like >> /var/virtual/mail/user, or even used a hashed directory scheme >> (which might be desirable for very large installations like >> ISPs)... > IIRC, that means that I have to give universal write access, perhaps > with a "sticky" bit, on that directory. Don't be absurd. Yanrc (you are not remembering correctly). No sane software would require that, much less mail server software. > The database approach makes much more sense from a security point of > view, Ridiculous... > as nobody accesses the filesystem directly, except the database > manager. And in the case of dc, nobody accesses the mail store except the mail user you designated, and with only enough permissions to get the job done and no more. >> Storing mail in a database sounds interesting, but it *will* >> introduce a very noticeable performance hit, there is simply no way >> around it... > Actually, it doesn't. Actually, it does. You may be correct for a mail system with only a few low volume users, but on a real mail server, with many hundreds or thousands of users (many of which are heavy/power users), there is no way a DB could compete with a filesystem. Now, I'm not saying it wouldn't work - even reasonably well - I'm just saying there *would* be a performance hit, and the resource requirements would be greater as well. > But this is Gentoo. We get new releases when the Gentoo dev's allow > the new package through. But this is gentoo - you can write your own ebuild, right? ;) j/k, I get that answer too often, I just couldn't resist. That said, thankfully dc is reasonably well supported in gentoo... That said... does anyone know of a repo that provides good quality up to date builds of dovecot - maybe even including the 2.0 betas? >>> Sieve is also integrated into dbmail. >> And dovecot... and 2.0 will have even better integration. > But I have that now. ... :-) I know, but your words suggested that it wasn't integrated into dc, so I was just pointing out yet another incorrect assumption on your part. > You sound like a Microsoft zealot from the 1990's, where the next > release of your favourite product will have every feature imaginable > -- and totally debugged too! ? no need for insults, asshole - I could say the same thing about how you are praising your dbmail setup. I'm just pointing out your apparently bad info on dovecot... Oh - and procmail sucks balls...