[gentoo-user] Strange python-updater error

[gentoo-user] Strange python-updater error

[Jacques Montier]

Hi all,

After upgrading world, i installed python-3.1.2-r3 with already
installed python-2.6.4-r1
As recommended, i ran python-updater ; so python-updater added some
packages to the list as :
app-office/openoffice-bin:0
dev-lang/-MERGING-python:2.5
...

The output is an error about  dev-lang/-MERGING-python:2.5 as invalid atom !
Where does that "-MERGING-" come from ?
Any idea about it ?

Thank you for your help.

Cheers,

--
Jacques 

[gentoo-user] Re: Strange python-updater error

[walt]

On 06/09/2010 03:32 AM, Jacques Montier wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> After upgrading world, i installed python-3.1.2-r3 with already
> installed python-2.6.4-r1
> As recommended, i ran python-updater ; so python-updater added some
> packages to the list as :
> app-office/openoffice-bin:0
> dev-lang/-MERGING-python:2.5
> ...
>
> The output is an error about  dev-lang/-MERGING-python:2.5 as invalid atom !
> Where does that "-MERGING-" come from ?

Which version of python are you actually using now?  AFAIK the portage utilities
don't yet work correctly if you are using python-3.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strange python-updater error

[Jacques Montier]

Le 09/06/2010 15:17, walt a gentiment tapote:
> On 06/09/2010 03:32 AM, Jacques Montier wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> After upgrading world, i installed python-3.1.2-r3 with already
>> installed python-2.6.4-r1
>> As recommended, i ran python-updater ; so python-updater added some
>> packages to the list as :
>> app-office/openoffice-bin:0
>> dev-lang/-MERGING-python:2.5
>> ...
>>
>> The output is an error about  dev-lang/-MERGING-python:2.5 as invalid
>> atom !
>> Where does that "-MERGING-" come from ?
>
> Which version of python are you actually using now?  AFAIK the portage
> utilities
> don't yet work correctly if you are using python-3.
>
>
>
>
I use python2.6, but both 2.6 and 3.1 are installed.

Jacques

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strange python-updater error

[Dale]

Jacques Montier wrote:
> Le 09/06/2010 15:17, walt a gentiment tapote:
>    
>> On 06/09/2010 03:32 AM, Jacques Montier wrote:
>>      
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> After upgrading world, i installed python-3.1.2-r3 with already
>>> installed python-2.6.4-r1
>>> As recommended, i ran python-updater ; so python-updater added some
>>> packages to the list as :
>>> app-office/openoffice-bin:0
>>> dev-lang/-MERGING-python:2.5
>>> ...
>>>
>>> The output is an error about  dev-lang/-MERGING-python:2.5 as invalid
>>> atom !
>>> Where does that "-MERGING-" come from ?
>>>        
>> Which version of python are you actually using now?  AFAIK the portage
>> utilities
>> don't yet work correctly if you are using python-3.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>      
> I use python2.6, but both 2.6 and 3.1 are installed.
>
> Jacques
>
>    

Just for the record, installing python 3.1 is fine but DON'T switch to 
it.  Very little works with it right now.  There was a HUGE discussion 
about this on -dev.  It's confusing because python 3.1 is stable but you 
can't switch to it yet since not much is ready for it.

The best thing to do is to mask python 3.1 until you can actually switch 
to it.  That is what most devs are recommending.  If you don't have 
something that has to have it, mask it for now.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strange python-updater error

[Jacques Montier]

--
Jacques 

Site :  http://sites.google.com/site/jacquesfr35/
Le 09/06/2010 16:26, Dale a gentiment tapote:
> Jacques Montier wrote:
>> Le 09/06/2010 15:17, walt a gentiment tapote:
>>   
>>> On 06/09/2010 03:32 AM, Jacques Montier wrote:
>>>     
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> After upgrading world, i installed python-3.1.2-r3 with already
>>>> installed python-2.6.4-r1
>>>> As recommended, i ran python-updater ; so python-updater added some
>>>> packages to the list as :
>>>> app-office/openoffice-bin:0
>>>> dev-lang/-MERGING-python:2.5
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> The output is an error about  dev-lang/-MERGING-python:2.5 as invalid
>>>> atom !
>>>> Where does that "-MERGING-" come from ?
>>>>        
>>> Which version of python are you actually using now?  AFAIK the portage
>>> utilities
>>> don't yet work correctly if you are using python-3.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>> I use python2.6, but both 2.6 and 3.1 are installed.
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>>    
>
> Just for the record, installing python 3.1 is fine but DON'T switch to
> it.  Very little works with it right now.  There was a HUGE discussion
> about this on -dev.  It's confusing because python 3.1 is stable but
> you can't switch to it yet since not much is ready for it.
>
> The best thing to do is to mask python 3.1 until you can actually
> switch to it.  That is what most devs are recommending.  If you don't
> have something that has to have it, mask it for now.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
>
with eselect python list, i get this :
# Available Python interpreters:
  [1]   python2.6 *
  [2]   python3.1
So python2.6 is the main active version ; therefore is it necessary to
mask it ?

Jacques

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strange python-updater error

[Dale]

Jacques Montier wrote:
>
> --
> Jacques
>
> Site :  http://sites.google.com/site/jacquesfr35/
> Le 09/06/2010 16:26, Dale a gentiment tapote:
>    
>> Jacques Montier wrote:
>>      
>>> Le 09/06/2010 15:17, walt a gentiment tapote:
>>>
>>>        
>>>> On 06/09/2010 03:32 AM, Jacques Montier wrote:
>>>>
>>>>          
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> After upgrading world, i installed python-3.1.2-r3 with already
>>>>> installed python-2.6.4-r1
>>>>> As recommended, i ran python-updater ; so python-updater added some
>>>>> packages to the list as :
>>>>> app-office/openoffice-bin:0
>>>>> dev-lang/-MERGING-python:2.5
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> The output is an error about  dev-lang/-MERGING-python:2.5 as invalid
>>>>> atom !
>>>>> Where does that "-MERGING-" come from ?
>>>>>
>>>>>            
>>>> Which version of python are you actually using now?  AFAIK the portage
>>>> utilities
>>>> don't yet work correctly if you are using python-3.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>          
>>> I use python2.6, but both 2.6 and 3.1 are installed.
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>>
>>>        
>> Just for the record, installing python 3.1 is fine but DON'T switch to
>> it.  Very little works with it right now.  There was a HUGE discussion
>> about this on -dev.  It's confusing because python 3.1 is stable but
>> you can't switch to it yet since not much is ready for it.
>>
>> The best thing to do is to mask python 3.1 until you can actually
>> switch to it.  That is what most devs are recommending.  If you don't
>> have something that has to have it, mask it for now.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>>
>>
>>      
> with eselect python list, i get this :
> # Available Python interpreters:
>    [1]   python2.6 *
>    [2]   python3.1
> So python2.6 is the main active version ; therefore is it necessary to
> mask it ?
>
> Jacques
>
>    

If I recall correctly, there are a few programs that can run with python 
3.  Thing is, there are still a LOT of them that can't run with it and 
must have python 2.  If you switch to python 3, you will have a mess on 
your hands.  If nothing actually requires python 3, mask it for now.  It 
will be a while before you will have to have it anyway.  When that time 
comes, portage will tell you that some package that must have python 3 
only is masked.  Then you can remove the mask, install it and switch to it.

This is just to save you some "issues" later on.  Trying to use python 3 
right now is not going to work.  Wait until things are able to use and 
go through the update process then and only have to do it once.

That's my $0.02 worth.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strange python-updater error

[Tanstaafl]

On 2010-06-09 11:08 AM, Dale wrote:
> If I recall correctly, there are a few programs that can run with
> python 3. Thing is, there are still a LOT of them that can't run with
> it and must have python 2. If you switch to python 3, you will have a
> mess on your hands. If nothing actually requires python 3, mask it
> for now. It will be a while before you will have to have it anyway.
> When that time comes, portage will tell you that some package that
> must have python 3 only is masked. Then you can remove the mask,
> install it and switch to it.
> 
> This is just to save you some "issues" later on. Trying to use python
> 3 right now is not going to work. Wait until things are able to use
> and go through the update process then and only have to do it once.
> 
> That's my $0.02 worth.

So... for those of use who have already installed it (and thankfully I
did actually read the notes about not switching to it), should me
uninstall it then mask it? Or just leave it alone? I'm guessing it won't
hurt anything, again as long as I don't stupidly switch to it?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strange python-updater error

[Alex Schuster]

Tanstaafl writes:

> So... for those of use who have already installed it (and thankfully I
> did actually read the notes about not switching to it), should me
> uninstall it then mask it? Or just leave it alone?

For the sake of simplicity, I just leave it alone.

> I'm guessing it
> won't hurt anything, again as long as I don't stupidly switch to it?

Right.

	Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strange python-updater error

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 18:21:17 +0200, Alex Schuster wrote:

> > So... for those of use who have already installed it (and thankfully I
> > did actually read the notes about not switching to it), should me
> > uninstall it then mask it? Or just leave it alone?  
> 
> For the sake of simplicity, I just leave it alone.

Agreed

> > I'm guessing it
> > won't hurt anything, again as long as I don't stupidly switch to it?  
> 
> Right.

And if a script specifically wants Python 3, it is there for it to use.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strange python-updater error

[Tanstaafl]

On 2010-06-09 12:28 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 18:21:17 +0200, Alex Schuster wrote:
>>> I'm guessing it won't hurt anything, again as long as I don't
>>> stupidly switch to it?

>> Right.

> And if a script specifically wants Python 3, it is there for it to
> use.

Cool, thanks guys...

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strange python-updater error

[Dale]

Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 2010-06-09 12:28 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>    
>> On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 18:21:17 +0200, Alex Schuster wrote:
>>      
>>>> I'm guessing it won't hurt anything, again as long as I don't
>>>> stupidly switch to it?
>>>>          
>    
>>> Right.
>>>        
>    
>> And if a script specifically wants Python 3, it is there for it to
>> use.
>>      
> Cool, thanks guys...
>
>    

I agree with the other replies.  You have it there now so just let it 
be.  Just don't switch to it until there is a news item that says 
everything is ready.  I would even make sure everything depends on 
python 3 and nothing depends on python 2 before switching, just in case 
you have something that will break and cause you grief.

To think the devs didn't believe this was going to cause some confusion. 
< sighs >

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strange python-updater error

[Sebastian Beßler]

Am 10.06.2010 07:36, schrieb Dale:

> To think the devs didn't believe this was going to cause some confusion.

There is a news regarding python 3 after the install of python 3.
It clearly says that is ok to have both installed parallel, and runnig
python-updater is recommended, but you should never ever set python 3 as
system default until further notice.

On the dev-list putting python 3 into stable and how to handle it was
debated with many powerful emotions assigned.

They knew what they did.. If how they handled that problem is good or
not is a other pair of shoes.

Greetings

Sebastian

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strange python-updater error

[Dale]

Sebastian Beßler wrote:
> Am 10.06.2010 07:36, schrieb Dale:
>
>    
>> To think the devs didn't believe this was going to cause some confusion.
>>      
> There is a news regarding python 3 after the install of python 3.
> It clearly says that is ok to have both installed parallel, and runnig
> python-updater is recommended, but you should never ever set python 3 as
> system default until further notice.
>
> On the dev-list putting python 3 into stable and how to handle it was
> debated with many powerful emotions assigned.
>
> They knew what they did.. If how they handled that problem is good or
> not is a other pair of shoes.
>
> Greetings
>
> Sebastian
>
>    

Yep, I was part of that discussion so I know about it.  News item or 
not, marking something as stable still confuses people when you are then 
told you can't use it.  With most packages it would not matter much but 
when very little can use this package, it is sort of silly.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Strange python-updater error

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 12:32:05 +0200, Jacques Montier wrote:

> The output is an error about  dev-lang/-MERGING-python:2.5 as invalid
> atom ! Where does that "-MERGING-" come from ?

It's an orphaned file left in /var/db/pkg by an aborted emerge attempt.
Delete it and try again.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Strange python-updater error

[Jacques Montier]

Le 09/06/2010 15:33, Neil Bothwick a gentiment tapote:
> On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 12:32:05 +0200, Jacques Montier wrote:
>
>   
>> The output is an error about  dev-lang/-MERGING-python:2.5 as invalid
>> atom ! Where does that "-MERGING-" come from ?
>>     
> It's an orphaned file left in /var/db/pkg by an aborted emerge attempt.
> Delete it and try again.
>   
Yes ! it works !

thanks a lot !

Jacques

Re: [gentoo-user] Strange python-updater error

[Sebastian Beßler]

Am 09.06.2010 12:32, schrieb Jacques Montier:
> Hi all,

Hi,

> dev-lang/-MERGING-python:2.5

I get this also sometimes when I have a emerge running and use
python-updater at the same time.

Then waiting for the emerge to stop normaly helps.

Greetings

Sebastian