[gentoo-user] Can't get PulseAudio to work

[gentoo-user] Can't get PulseAudio to work

[Nikos Chantziaras]

I decided to test PulseAudio on Gentoo since someone claimed the reason 
PulseAudio has a "it blows chunks" reputation because of Ubuntu shipping 
it with a broken configuration.

So, I did:

   USE="alsa pulseaudio -oss" emerge -auDNl --with-bdeps=y world

This installed PulseAudio and rebuilt all applications to drop OSS 
support and use ALSA or Pulse instead.

I also took a look at this:

   http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/PulseAudio

and did the "usermod -a -G plugdev pulse" thing.

I rebooted with an ALSA-enabled kernel and with OSSv4 completely 
removed.  But it doesn't work; everything can use ALSA OK, but not PA. 
For example, "mplayer -ao pulse video.mkv" says:

   socket(): Address family not supported by protocol

What now?

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't get PulseAudio to work

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

> This installed PulseAudio and rebuilt all applications to drop OSS
> support and use ALSA or Pulse instead.
> 

sure?

[gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 05/22/2010 12:34 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>
>> This installed PulseAudio and rebuilt all applications to drop OSS
>> support and use ALSA or Pulse instead.
>>
>
> sure?

Never mind, found the problem after googling a lot:

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gnome/2010-January/023768.html

PA does not work without ConsoleKit, yet the ebuild did not pull CK as a 
dep :-/  Will file a bug about it.

As for the results, it's pretty much as I expected: latency cannot 
compete with OSS4's vmix.  But it isn't worse than stand-alone ALSA+dmix 
though, which is surprising.

Another problem: Amarok 2 stopped working.  That is, it loads OK, but 
there's no sound at all when playing something with the Xine backend. 
The Gstreamer backend works, but (as always) sound quality sucks (pops 
and crackles).  Any way to get Phonon-Xine to work with PA?  I tried to 
set "audio.driver:alsa" in ~/.xine/config, but to no avail; still no sound.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 05/22/2010 12:34 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >> This installed PulseAudio and rebuilt all applications to drop OSS
> >> support and use ALSA or Pulse instead.
> > 
> > sure?
> 
> Never mind, found the problem after googling a lot:
> 
> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gnome/2010-January/023768.html
> 
> PA does not work without ConsoleKit, yet the ebuild did not pull CK as a
> dep :-/  Will file a bug about it.
> 
> As for the results, it's pretty much as I expected: latency cannot
> compete with OSS4's vmix.  But it isn't worse than stand-alone ALSA+dmix
> though, which is surprising.
> 
> Another problem: Amarok 2 stopped working.  That is, it loads OK, but
> there's no sound at all when playing something with the Xine backend.
> The Gstreamer backend works, but (as always) sound quality sucks (pops
> and crackles).  Any way to get Phonon-Xine to work with PA?  I tried to
> set "audio.driver:alsa" in ~/.xine/config, but to no avail; still no sound.

yeah, with that set it tries to use alsa, not PA.

Why again are you wasting your time with PA?

[gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 05/22/2010 01:46 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>> On 05/22/2010 12:34 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>> On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>> This installed PulseAudio and rebuilt all applications to drop OSS
>>>> support and use ALSA or Pulse instead.
>>>
>>> sure?
>>
>> Never mind, found the problem after googling a lot:
>>
>> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gnome/2010-January/023768.html
>>
>> PA does not work without ConsoleKit, yet the ebuild did not pull CK as a
>> dep :-/  Will file a bug about it.
>>
>> As for the results, it's pretty much as I expected: latency cannot
>> compete with OSS4's vmix.  But it isn't worse than stand-alone ALSA+dmix
>> though, which is surprising.
>>
>> Another problem: Amarok 2 stopped working.  That is, it loads OK, but
>> there's no sound at all when playing something with the Xine backend.
>> The Gstreamer backend works, but (as always) sound quality sucks (pops
>> and crackles).  Any way to get Phonon-Xine to work with PA?  I tried to
>> set "audio.driver:alsa" in ~/.xine/config, but to no avail; still no sound.
>
> yeah, with that set it tries to use alsa, not PA.

"audio.driver:pulse" also doesn't work :-/


> Why again are you wasting your time with PA?

Because people claim ALSA+Pulse is better than OSS4.  So I ought to 
actually try it "with a correct setup, unlike the broken Ubuntu setup", 
or else everyone will keep saying I don't know what I'm talking about.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 05/22/2010 01:46 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >> On 05/22/2010 12:34 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> >>> On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >>>> This installed PulseAudio and rebuilt all applications to drop OSS
> >>>> support and use ALSA or Pulse instead.
> >>> 
> >>> sure?
> >> 
> >> Never mind, found the problem after googling a lot:
> >> 
> >> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gnome/2010-January/023768.htm
> >> l
> >> 
> >> PA does not work without ConsoleKit, yet the ebuild did not pull CK as a
> >> dep :-/  Will file a bug about it.
> >> 
> >> As for the results, it's pretty much as I expected: latency cannot
> >> compete with OSS4's vmix.  But it isn't worse than stand-alone ALSA+dmix
> >> though, which is surprising.
> >> 
> >> Another problem: Amarok 2 stopped working.  That is, it loads OK, but
> >> there's no sound at all when playing something with the Xine backend.
> >> The Gstreamer backend works, but (as always) sound quality sucks (pops
> >> and crackles).  Any way to get Phonon-Xine to work with PA?  I tried to
> >> set "audio.driver:alsa" in ~/.xine/config, but to no avail; still no
> >> sound.
> > 
> > yeah, with that set it tries to use alsa, not PA.
> 
> "audio.driver:pulse" also doesn't work :-/
> 
> > Why again are you wasting your time with PA?
> 
> Because people claim ALSA+Pulse is better than OSS4.  So I ought to
> actually try it "with a correct setup, unlike the broken Ubuntu setup",
> or else everyone will keep saying I don't know what I'm talking about.

really? There are people claiming that? ok, everything is better than OSS4 - 
but PA? That crap is almost as bad as ESD.

[gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 05/22/2010 02:24 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>> On 05/22/2010 01:46 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>> On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>> On 05/22/2010 12:34 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>>>> On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>>>> This installed PulseAudio and rebuilt all applications to drop OSS
>>>>>> support and use ALSA or Pulse instead.
>>>>>
>>>>> sure?
>>>>
>>>> Never mind, found the problem after googling a lot:
>>>>
>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gnome/2010-January/023768.htm
>>>> l
>>>>
>>>> PA does not work without ConsoleKit, yet the ebuild did not pull CK as a
>>>> dep :-/  Will file a bug about it.
>>>>
>>>> As for the results, it's pretty much as I expected: latency cannot
>>>> compete with OSS4's vmix.  But it isn't worse than stand-alone ALSA+dmix
>>>> though, which is surprising.
>>>>
>>>> Another problem: Amarok 2 stopped working.  That is, it loads OK, but
>>>> there's no sound at all when playing something with the Xine backend.
>>>> The Gstreamer backend works, but (as always) sound quality sucks (pops
>>>> and crackles).  Any way to get Phonon-Xine to work with PA?  I tried to
>>>> set "audio.driver:alsa" in ~/.xine/config, but to no avail; still no
>>>> sound.
>>>
>>> yeah, with that set it tries to use alsa, not PA.
>>
>> "audio.driver:pulse" also doesn't work :-/
>>
>>> Why again are you wasting your time with PA?
>>
>> Because people claim ALSA+Pulse is better than OSS4.  So I ought to
>> actually try it "with a correct setup, unlike the broken Ubuntu setup",
>> or else everyone will keep saying I don't know what I'm talking about.
>
> really? There are people claiming that? ok, everything is better than OSS4 -
> but PA? That crap is almost as bad as ESD.

Well if I'm going to use ALSA I need something that gives me 
per-application volume control since ALSA is too broken to even provide 
that while the rest of the world moved on.

[gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 05/22/2010 02:37 PM, David W Noon wrote:
> On Sat, 22 May 2010 12:10:02 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote about
> [gentoo-user] Can't get PulseAudio to work:
>
> [snip]
>> I rebooted with an ALSA-enabled kernel and with OSSv4 completely
>> removed.  But it doesn't work; everything can use ALSA OK, but not PA.
>> For example, "mplayer -ao pulse video.mkv" says:
>>
>>    socket(): Address family not supported by protocol
>>
>> What now?
>
> Have you started the PulseAudio daemon?

There is none:

   ls /etc/init.d/*pulse*
   ls: cannot access /etc/init.d/*pulse*: No such file or directory

but it seems to start on its own, and in any case I solved that issue as 
I wrote in my other post.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 05/22/2010 02:24 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >> On 05/22/2010 01:46 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> >>> On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >>>> On 05/22/2010 12:34 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> >>>>> On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >>>>>> This installed PulseAudio and rebuilt all applications to drop OSS
> >>>>>> support and use ALSA or Pulse instead.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> sure?
> >>>> 
> >>>> Never mind, found the problem after googling a lot:
> >>>> 
> >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gnome/2010-January/023768.h
> >>>> tm l
> >>>> 
> >>>> PA does not work without ConsoleKit, yet the ebuild did not pull CK as
> >>>> a dep :-/  Will file a bug about it.
> >>>> 
> >>>> As for the results, it's pretty much as I expected: latency cannot
> >>>> compete with OSS4's vmix.  But it isn't worse than stand-alone
> >>>> ALSA+dmix though, which is surprising.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Another problem: Amarok 2 stopped working.  That is, it loads OK, but
> >>>> there's no sound at all when playing something with the Xine backend.
> >>>> The Gstreamer backend works, but (as always) sound quality sucks (pops
> >>>> and crackles).  Any way to get Phonon-Xine to work with PA?  I tried
> >>>> to set "audio.driver:alsa" in ~/.xine/config, but to no avail; still
> >>>> no sound.
> >>> 
> >>> yeah, with that set it tries to use alsa, not PA.
> >> 
> >> "audio.driver:pulse" also doesn't work :-/
> >> 
> >>> Why again are you wasting your time with PA?
> >> 
> >> Because people claim ALSA+Pulse is better than OSS4.  So I ought to
> >> actually try it "with a correct setup, unlike the broken Ubuntu setup",
> >> or else everyone will keep saying I don't know what I'm talking about.
> > 
> > really? There are people claiming that? ok, everything is better than
> > OSS4 - but PA? That crap is almost as bad as ESD.
> 
> Well if I'm going to use ALSA I need something that gives me
> per-application volume control since ALSA is too broken to even provide
> that while the rest of the world moved on.

funny how I can change the volume in wesnoth or vlc, independent from the 
rest. You are blaming the wrong people here. 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 05/22/2010 02:24 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >> On 05/22/2010 01:46 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> >>> On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >>>> On 05/22/2010 12:34 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> >>>>> On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >>>>>> This installed PulseAudio and rebuilt all applications to drop OSS
> >>>>>> support and use ALSA or Pulse instead.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> sure?
> >>>> 
> >>>> Never mind, found the problem after googling a lot:
> >>>> 
> >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gnome/2010-January/023768.h
> >>>> tm l
> >>>> 
> >>>> PA does not work without ConsoleKit, yet the ebuild did not pull CK as
> >>>> a dep :-/  Will file a bug about it.
> >>>> 
> >>>> As for the results, it's pretty much as I expected: latency cannot
> >>>> compete with OSS4's vmix.  But it isn't worse than stand-alone
> >>>> ALSA+dmix though, which is surprising.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Another problem: Amarok 2 stopped working.  That is, it loads OK, but
> >>>> there's no sound at all when playing something with the Xine backend.
> >>>> The Gstreamer backend works, but (as always) sound quality sucks (pops
> >>>> and crackles).  Any way to get Phonon-Xine to work with PA?  I tried
> >>>> to set "audio.driver:alsa" in ~/.xine/config, but to no avail; still
> >>>> no sound.
> >>> 
> >>> yeah, with that set it tries to use alsa, not PA.
> >> 
> >> "audio.driver:pulse" also doesn't work :-/
> >> 
> >>> Why again are you wasting your time with PA?
> >> 
> >> Because people claim ALSA+Pulse is better than OSS4.  So I ought to
> >> actually try it "with a correct setup, unlike the broken Ubuntu setup",
> >> or else everyone will keep saying I don't know what I'm talking about.
> > 
> > really? There are people claiming that? ok, everything is better than
> > OSS4 - but PA? That crap is almost as bad as ESD.
> 
> Well if I'm going to use ALSA I need something that gives me
> per-application volume control since ALSA is too broken to even provide
> that while the rest of the world moved on.

oh yeah, one other thing:
http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Softvol

ALSA CAN control the volume of every single app. You just choose to ignore it. 
Or you chose not to look for it. Either way, it is there. 

Without the inherent brokenness of OSS4

[gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 05/22/2010 04:03 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>> On 05/22/2010 02:24 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>> On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>> On 05/22/2010 01:46 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>>>> On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>>>> On 05/22/2010 12:34 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>>>>>> On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>>>>>> This installed PulseAudio and rebuilt all applications to drop OSS
>>>>>>>> support and use ALSA or Pulse instead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sure?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Never mind, found the problem after googling a lot:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gnome/2010-January/023768.h
>>>>>> tm l
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PA does not work without ConsoleKit, yet the ebuild did not pull CK as
>>>>>> a dep :-/  Will file a bug about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for the results, it's pretty much as I expected: latency cannot
>>>>>> compete with OSS4's vmix.  But it isn't worse than stand-alone
>>>>>> ALSA+dmix though, which is surprising.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another problem: Amarok 2 stopped working.  That is, it loads OK, but
>>>>>> there's no sound at all when playing something with the Xine backend.
>>>>>> The Gstreamer backend works, but (as always) sound quality sucks (pops
>>>>>> and crackles).  Any way to get Phonon-Xine to work with PA?  I tried
>>>>>> to set "audio.driver:alsa" in ~/.xine/config, but to no avail; still
>>>>>> no sound.
>>>>>
>>>>> yeah, with that set it tries to use alsa, not PA.
>>>>
>>>> "audio.driver:pulse" also doesn't work :-/
>>>>
>>>>> Why again are you wasting your time with PA?
>>>>
>>>> Because people claim ALSA+Pulse is better than OSS4.  So I ought to
>>>> actually try it "with a correct setup, unlike the broken Ubuntu setup",
>>>> or else everyone will keep saying I don't know what I'm talking about.
>>>
>>> really? There are people claiming that? ok, everything is better than
>>> OSS4 - but PA? That crap is almost as bad as ESD.
>>
>> Well if I'm going to use ALSA I need something that gives me
>> per-application volume control since ALSA is too broken to even provide
>> that while the rest of the world moved on.
>
> oh yeah, one other thing:
> http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Softvol
>
> ALSA CAN control the volume of every single app. You just choose to ignore it.
> Or you chose not to look for it. Either way, it is there.
>
> Without the inherent brokenness of OSS4

You live in your own little world, Armin.  That has nothing to do with 
per-app volume.  You're as ignorant as ever and I must ask myself why I 
choose to waste time talking with you, over and over again.

This discussion is over.  Welcome to my killfile.

*plonk*

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work

[Dale]

Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 05/22/2010 04:03 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>> On 05/22/2010 02:24 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>>> On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>>> On 05/22/2010 01:46 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>>>>> On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>>>>> On 05/22/2010 12:34 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>>>>>>> This installed PulseAudio and rebuilt all applications to drop 
>>>>>>>>> OSS
>>>>>>>>> support and use ALSA or Pulse instead.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sure?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never mind, found the problem after googling a lot:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gnome/2010-January/023768.h 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> tm l
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PA does not work without ConsoleKit, yet the ebuild did not pull 
>>>>>>> CK as
>>>>>>> a dep :-/  Will file a bug about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for the results, it's pretty much as I expected: latency cannot
>>>>>>> compete with OSS4's vmix.  But it isn't worse than stand-alone
>>>>>>> ALSA+dmix though, which is surprising.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another problem: Amarok 2 stopped working.  That is, it loads 
>>>>>>> OK, but
>>>>>>> there's no sound at all when playing something with the Xine 
>>>>>>> backend.
>>>>>>> The Gstreamer backend works, but (as always) sound quality sucks 
>>>>>>> (pops
>>>>>>> and crackles).  Any way to get Phonon-Xine to work with PA?  I 
>>>>>>> tried
>>>>>>> to set "audio.driver:alsa" in ~/.xine/config, but to no avail; 
>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>> no sound.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yeah, with that set it tries to use alsa, not PA.
>>>>>
>>>>> "audio.driver:pulse" also doesn't work :-/
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why again are you wasting your time with PA?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because people claim ALSA+Pulse is better than OSS4.  So I ought to
>>>>> actually try it "with a correct setup, unlike the broken Ubuntu 
>>>>> setup",
>>>>> or else everyone will keep saying I don't know what I'm talking 
>>>>> about.
>>>>
>>>> really? There are people claiming that? ok, everything is better than
>>>> OSS4 - but PA? That crap is almost as bad as ESD.
>>>
>>> Well if I'm going to use ALSA I need something that gives me
>>> per-application volume control since ALSA is too broken to even provide
>>> that while the rest of the world moved on.
>>
>> oh yeah, one other thing:
>> http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Softvol
>>
>> ALSA CAN control the volume of every single app. You just choose to 
>> ignore it.
>> Or you chose not to look for it. Either way, it is there.
>>
>> Without the inherent brokenness of OSS4
>
> You live in your own little world, Armin.  That has nothing to do with 
> per-app volume.  You're as ignorant as ever and I must ask myself why 
> I choose to waste time talking with you, over and over again.
>
> This discussion is over.  Welcome to my killfile.
>
> *plonk*
>

Well, I'm not Armin but it does talk about per-app volume.  This is a 
quote from the link above:

"Another usefull thing you can do is control the volume of every 
application seperatly, even if the application can't do it on its own."

It's the third sentence on the page.  I'm not sure how you could miss 
that.  I need new glasses and have one eye I'm almost blind in and I saw 
that.

You may want to adjust your killfile.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work

[luis jure]

on 2010-05-22 at 16:57 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

>On 05/22/2010 04:03 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>> On 05/22/2010 02:24 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>>> On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>>> On 05/22/2010 01:46 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>>>>> On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>>>>> On 05/22/2010 12:34 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>>>>>>> This installed PulseAudio and rebuilt all applications to

guys, ever heard of trimming your quotes?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Dale wrote:

> 
> "Another usefull thing you can do is control the volume of every
> application seperatly, even if the application can't do it on its own."
> 
> It's the third sentence on the page.  I'm not sure how you could miss
> that.  I need new glasses and have one eye I'm almost blind in and I saw
> that.
> 
> You may want to adjust your killfile.
> 
> Dale

he is completely blind in his pro OSSv4 trollness. No suprise, really.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work

[pk]

On 2010-05-22 16:19, luis jure wrote:
> guys, ever heard of trimming your quotes?

+1