[gentoo-user] corefonts being depcleaned?

[gentoo-user] corefonts being depcleaned?

[Dale]

Hi,

I updated a bit ago, it updated a few packages and while I was sitting 
here I thought I would run --depclean and see if anything needed 
cleaning.  I got this list of packages:

 >>> These are the packages that would be unmerged:

  media-fonts/corefonts
     selected: 1-r4
    protected: none
      omitted: none

  app-misc/hal-cups-utils
     selected: 0.6.19
    protected: none
      omitted: none

  app-arch/cabextract
     selected: 1.2-r1
    protected: none
      omitted: none

 >>> 'Selected' packages are slated for removal.
 >>> 'Protected' and 'omitted' packages will not be removed.

Packages installed:   978
Packages in world:    117
Packages in system:   50
Required packages:    975
Number to remove:     3
root@smoker ~ #


The corefonts is sort of odd.  I thought that was a system package, or 
at least it was.  Is this correct?  I don't want to remove this unless 
something else has replaced it or something.  Anybody else removed this 
with no ill effects?

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-)

[gentoo-user] Re: corefonts being depcleaned?

[walt]

On 05/18/2010 07:10 PM, Dale wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I updated a bit ago, it updated a few packages and while I was sitting here I thought I would run --depclean and see if anything needed cleaning. I got this list of packages:
>
>  >>> These are the packages that would be unmerged:
>
> media-fonts/corefonts
> selected: 1-r4
> protected: none
> omitted: none
> ...
> The corefonts is sort of odd. I thought that was a system package, or at least it was. Is this correct? I don't want to remove this unless something else has replaced it or something. Anybody else removed this with no ill effects?

I updated about 16 hours ago and got no such pronouncement.  The corefonts package has
both the x86 and amd64 KEYWORDS (well, as of 16 hours ago) so I would be very slow to
remove it.  Some of my favorite fonts come from that package, even if it is from The
Other Leading Operating System.

Re: [gentoo-user] corefonts being depcleaned?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 18 May 2010 21:10:22 -0500, Dale wrote:

> The corefonts is sort of odd.  I thought that was a system package, or 
> at least it was.  Is this correct?

No, it was installed as a dependency of something else that either is
no longer installed or no longer requires corefonts. Here it's pulled in
by

% emerge --depclean -pv media-fonts/corefonts

Calculating dependencies... done!
  media-fonts/corefonts-1-r4 pulled in by:
    app-emulation/wine-1.1.44
    media-tv/mythtv-0.22_p24255
    net-analyzer/ntop-3.3.10-r2
    www-plugins/adobe-flash-10.0.45.2-r1

> I don't want to remove this unless 
> something else has replaced it or something.  Anybody else removed this 
> with no ill effects?

You're not going to break your system by removing a few optional fonts.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Windows Error #09: Game Over. Exiting Windows.

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Re: [gentoo-user] corefonts being depcleaned?

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 18 May 2010 21:10:22 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>    
>> The corefonts is sort of odd.  I thought that was a system package, or
>> at least it was.  Is this correct?
>>      
> No, it was installed as a dependency of something else that either is
> no longer installed or no longer requires corefonts. Here it's pulled in
> by
>
> % emerge --depclean -pv media-fonts/corefonts
>
> Calculating dependencies... done!
>    media-fonts/corefonts-1-r4 pulled in by:
>      app-emulation/wine-1.1.44
>      media-tv/mythtv-0.22_p24255
>      net-analyzer/ntop-3.3.10-r2
>      www-plugins/adobe-flash-10.0.45.2-r1
>
>    
>> I don't want to remove this unless
>> something else has replaced it or something.  Anybody else removed this
>> with no ill effects?
>>      
> You're not going to break your system by removing a few optional fonts.
>
>    

These fonts have been on here for so long that I thought they were 
something that the console used or some other system package needed.  
After all, console has to have a font right?  I just didn't want to 
remove this, reboot and get a error that console has no fonts to display 
or some such message.  Then again, no fonts, maybe no message at all.   lol

Now to see if I want these fonts and add them to the world file.  I like 
fonts.  Try to keep a bunch of them lying around.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] corefonts being depcleaned?

[Paul Hartman]

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> These fonts have been on here for so long that I thought they were something
> that the console used or some other system package needed.  After all,
> console has to have a font right?  I just didn't want to remove this, reboot
> and get a error that console has no fonts to display or some such message.
>  Then again, no fonts, maybe no message at all.   lol
>
> Now to see if I want these fonts and add them to the world file.  I like
> fonts.  Try to keep a bunch of them lying around.

Corefonts are the Microsoft "core web fonts". Certainly not a system
package. Some websites might look funny without them, though. And if
you're using WINE they are probably a good thing to have around as
well.

Just add it to world, problem solved! :)

Re: [gentoo-user] corefonts being depcleaned?

[Dale]

Paul Hartman wrote:
> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Dale<rdalek1967@gmail.com>  wrote:
>    
>> These fonts have been on here for so long that I thought they were something
>> that the console used or some other system package needed.  After all,
>> console has to have a font right?  I just didn't want to remove this, reboot
>> and get a error that console has no fonts to display or some such message.
>>   Then again, no fonts, maybe no message at all.   lol
>>
>> Now to see if I want these fonts and add them to the world file.  I like
>> fonts.  Try to keep a bunch of them lying around.
>>      
> Corefonts are the Microsoft "core web fonts". Certainly not a system
> package. Some websites might look funny without them, though. And if
> you're using WINE they are probably a good thing to have around as
> well.
>
> Just add it to world, problem solved! :)
>
>    

Yea, it has times, ariel and a few others that I use a lot so it has to 
stay.  I was going to try without it but I use those a lot.  Ariel is 
really good for me to read with these old glasses.

At least I know it being removed was not a mistake or something.  The 
name is a little misleading too.  ;-)

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-)

[gentoo-user] Re: corefonts being depcleaned?

[walt]

On 05/19/2010 01:19 PM, Dale wrote:

> Yea, it has times, ariel and a few others that I use a lot so it has to stay. I was going to try without it but I use those a lot. Ariel is really good for me to read with these old glasses.
>
> At least I know it being removed was not a mistake or something.
 > The name is a little misleading too. ;-)

I got very confused when the package name changed.  I'm guessing someone got
grumpy because his tradename was being sullied by a mere open source project.

Re: [gentoo-user] corefonts being depcleaned?

[David W Noon]

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On Wed, 19 May 2010 22:30:03 +0200, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user]
corefonts being depcleaned?:

[snip]
>Yea, it has times, ariel and a few others that I use a lot so it has
>to stay.  I was going to try without it but I use those a lot.  Ariel
>is really good for me to read with these old glasses.

Arial is simply the TrueType clone of Helvetica, which is part of the
htmldoc package. So, try using Helvetica instead, as it should
render a bit cleaner since it is a PostScript font.  It will also allow
you to get rid of the MS fonts, eventually; all of the "core fonts"
have PostScript equivalents.
-- 
Regards,

Dave  [RLU #314465]
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Re: [gentoo-user] corefonts being depcleaned?

[Dale]

David W Noon wrote:
> On Wed, 19 May 2010 22:30:03 +0200, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user]
> corefonts being depcleaned?:
>
> [snip]
>    
>> Yea, it has times, ariel and a few others that I use a lot so it has
>> to stay.  I was going to try without it but I use those a lot.  Ariel
>> is really good for me to read with these old glasses.
>>      
> Arial is simply the TrueType clone of Helvetica, which is part of the
> htmldoc package. So, try using Helvetica instead, as it should
> render a bit cleaner since it is a PostScript font.  It will also allow
> you to get rid of the MS fonts, eventually; all of the "core fonts"
> have PostScript equivalents.
>    

I hadn't noticed that.  I just got to go compare those.  You got me curious.

Dale

:-)  :-)

This is Arial. This is Helvetica. Not very much difference here.  
Helvetica may be a bit larger tho.  That would help these old eyes.  
:-D   Sorry, couldn't resist.

Re: [gentoo-user] corefonts being depcleaned?

[Stroller]

On 19 May 2010, at 23:14, David W Noon wrote:

> On Wed, 19 May 2010 22:30:03 +0200, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user]
> corefonts being depcleaned?:
>
> [snip]
>> Yea, it has times, ariel and a few others that I use a lot so it has
>> to stay.  I was going to try without it but I use those a lot.  Ariel
>> is really good for me to read with these old glasses.
>
> Arial is simply the TrueType clone of Helvetica ...


Helvetica (in red) overlaid with Arial (in blue):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Arial_Helvetica_overlay2.svg

"Though nearly identical to Linotype Helvetica in both proportion and  
weight (see figure), the design of Arial is in fact a variation of  
Monotype Grotesque, ... Subtle changes and variations were made to  
both the letterforms and the spacing between characters, in order to  
make it more readable on screen and at various resolutions."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arial

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] corefonts being depcleaned?

[Dale]

Stroller wrote:
>
> On 19 May 2010, at 23:14, David W Noon wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 19 May 2010 22:30:03 +0200, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user]
>> corefonts being depcleaned?:
>>
>> [snip]
>>> Yea, it has times, ariel and a few others that I use a lot so it has
>>> to stay.  I was going to try without it but I use those a lot.  Ariel
>>> is really good for me to read with these old glasses.
>>
>> Arial is simply the TrueType clone of Helvetica ...
>
>
> Helvetica (in red) overlaid with Arial (in blue):
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Arial_Helvetica_overlay2.svg
>
> "Though nearly identical to Linotype Helvetica in both proportion and 
> weight (see figure), the design of Arial is in fact a variation of 
> Monotype Grotesque, ... Subtle changes and variations were made to 
> both the letterforms and the spacing between characters, in order to 
> make it more readable on screen and at various resolutions."
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arial
>
> Stroller.
>
>

My old eyes are right.  They are pretty close.  Almost a copy.  Shhhh, 
don't tell anyone.  They may try to sue each other.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] corefonts being depcleaned?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thursday 20 May 2010 05:35:40 Stroller wrote:
> On 19 May 2010, at 23:14, David W Noon wrote:
> > On Wed, 19 May 2010 22:30:03 +0200, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user]
> > corefonts being depcleaned?:
> > 
> > [snip]
> > 
> >> Yea, it has times, ariel and a few others that I use a lot so it has
> >> to stay.  I was going to try without it but I use those a lot.  Ariel
> >> is really good for me to read with these old glasses.
> > 
> > Arial is simply the TrueType clone of Helvetica ...
> 
> Helvetica (in red) overlaid with Arial (in blue):
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Arial_Helvetica_overlay2.svg
> 
> "Though nearly identical to Linotype Helvetica in both proportion and
> weight (see figure), the design of Arial is in fact a variation of
> Monotype Grotesque, ... Subtle changes and variations were made to
> both the letterforms and the spacing between characters, in order to
> make it more readable on screen and at various resolutions."
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arial
> 
> Stroller.


Quite correct.

Typefaces are not normally interchangeable with no side effects. They have 
purposes and intended applications, like most other stuff in life.

Arial was designed to work well as a menubar font so it can display 
"File  Edit  View ..." etc in as little horizontal space as possible. And it 
does this very very well.

I use Dejavu for this because I'm a pedantic old license-nitpicking geek but I 
can see that Arial is actually a tad better for the job.

Verdana OTOH is designed for web pages. These consist of brief terse 
paragraphs that the eye must absorb rapidly with a minimum of clutter around 
the glyphs - that's why it is a sans-serif font. It is completely unsuited to 
being type-set like a novel.

Try it and see - reformat a regular book in Verdana and try read it. Your eyes 
will explode and you'll get headaches in short order. Then do it in Times New 
Roman. Ah, bliss. That works better.

corefonts are excellent at their intended purpose. Almost nothing out there 
does it better. The Liberation package from RedHat tries to match it and comes 
very close, with the additional benefit of being completely free and untainted 
by the Big Bad Dominant OS Company



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